Skip to comments.Mark Steyn; In praise of ‘Jesusland’
Posted on 12/16/2004 6:28:43 AM PST by Pokey78
As in previous years, Planned Parenthood has been selling greetings cards for abortion proponents filled with seasonal cheer to send to each other: Choice On Earth, they proclaim. I can just about understand being a proponent of abortion; I find it harder to fathom someone whose obsession with the subject extends to sending out holiday cards on the theme. Especially as, insofar as the Christmas story is relevant to this question, its a season to reflect on the potential of every new life.
Two thousand years ago, if a betrothed woman such as Mary became pregnant by a man other than her intended, she was guilty of adultery and liable to stoning. But Joseph, St Matthew tells us, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily i.e., a quiet divorce. Given the prevailing social climate back then, had they had Choice On Earth abortion on demand Jesus would have been first in line for it. There would have been no Christ, no Christmas, no New Testament, no lines about peace on earth for abortion fetishists to riff off for their holiday slogan.
Scripturally derivative even in its repudiation thereof, Choice On Earth seems an apt summation of the muddled state of Christendom at the dawn of its third millennium. These days we dont say Christendom, of course, except in an ironic way. We say the Muslim world all the time, without thinking The Iraq invasion enraged the entire Muslim world, declares the Democrats website. The notion of a Muslim world is acceptable to the progressive mind. The Christian world is a more problematic concept.
But its still out there, just about, and 2004 was a good year for Jesus. He had the big box-office smash of the past 12 months with The Passion of The Christ, scorned by Hollywood but popularised by word of mouth, or word of tongues. And, a couple of days after His man won the US election, a couple of Democrat wags, in a widely disseminated Internet cartoon, renamed a big swath of the North American continent after Him Jesusland, stretching across the vast southern interior and pushing up along the Rockies to the 49th parallel. The godless coastal fringes, meanwhile, were joined with Her Majestys Northern Dominion and rechristened (if youll pardon the expression) the United States of Canada, a fate I wouldnt wish even on Democrats. And, while the thought of joining their own shrivelled redoubts in a grand union with the biggest blue state of all evidently cheers them up, they may be overestimating the blueness of the Great White North: large chunks of Alberta and the British Columbia hinterland would be happy to sign up with the Bible-thumpers, if only for the non-confiscatory tax rates. So Jesusland could well be even larger than its disparagers suggest.
Jesusland isnt exactly Christendom: the latter evokes Rome, bishops, cathedrals, bells, incense, oratorios; the former is evangelicals, pastors, church suppers, WWJD buttons (What Would Jesus Do?), Christian rock. Some Democrats in the beleaguered fleshpots advocate accommodation with the God-fearing rednecks: for a week or so after the election, Nancy Pelosi, the Dems leader in the House of Representatives, was quoting Scripture in every soundbite, albeit the wimpy social-workerish bits. But most of her party has no desire to go down the straight-and-narrow, even as a rhetorical feint: the other day I found myself motoring along behind some Vermont feminist whose faded Im Pro-Choice and I Vote bumper sticker was now accompanied by another one demanding grumpily, Instead Of Being Born Again, Why Not Grow Up?
The Jesusland meme is so discombobulating to the secular elites of the western world that within a week it had become the prism through which they view every event in the great republic even lousy movies. For as the Independents headline put it, Alexander the (Not So) Great Fails To Conquer Americas Homophobes. I dont think you have to be a homophobe to find Alexander a stinker; its stinker status does not primarily derive from its mild gayness, so much as from Oliver Stones incoherent storytelling and a dull central performance by some Irish bloke whose efforts at characterisation start and end with bellowing every line. But, if the worlds media want to conjure visions of stump-toothed backwoods knuckle-draggers stomping out of the Jesusland multiplex firing off verses from Leviticus as they demand a full refund, why get in the way of their illusions? The Guardians Timothy Garton Ash, just back from a tour of Americas blue states, says that theyre crying out for Europes help: Hands need to be joined across the sea in an old cause: the defence of the Enlightenment, he writes, and adopts as his rallying cry a subtle modification of Le Mondes famous 12 September headline, We are all blue Americans now. Europeans need to ally with blue staters and Canadians and so forth and draw a cordon bleu, as John Kerry would say, around George W. Bushs Jesusland, throttling it in its manger.
Well, good luck with that. I doubt whether a Euro-blue-state alliance is in any position to defend the Enlightenment. Even if one accepts that the modern Euro-Canadian secular state is the rightful heir to the Enlightenment, it would seem obvious that its got a lot less enlightened, at least in the sense of freeing from superstition. The ludicrous over-reaction by the elites to the US election results is at least as superstitious and irrational as anything the Bible Belt believes. And theres nothing very rational or scientific about refusing to engage with your opponents arguments and instead dismissing them as mere phobias homophobia, Islamophobia, Chiracophobia.... Whatever else may be said about the evangelicals, they dont sneer theophobia whenever theyre criticised, even though in that case the lame trope may be almost plausible when it comes to abnormal psychological fear of the unknown, blue staters theophobia is more pervasive than red staters homophobia.
A year or two back, I attended a lunch for a minister from California who was applying for a pastors gig at a New Hampshire Congregational church. My friend, the aptly named Faith, cut to the chase and asked the minister whether she believed the Bible was the literal truth. Well, she said, somewhat condescendingly, I believe these are useful narratives that we tell each other. Even if thats so, is it helpful to give the game away? As it turned out, the minister was a lesbian whod been joined in what she called Holy Union with her partner back at their church in Berkeley, since when shed become an enthusiastic marrier of gay couples across the Bay area. Proclaiming the Bible a series of useful narratives is invariably a first step towards proclaiming many of them useless the relevant portions of Romans, etc.
But if the Bible is merely a useful narrative, its an immaculately conceived one, beginning with the decision to root the divinity of Christ in the miracle of His birth. The promise of new life on earth prefigures the promise of new life in heaven. Once you cease believing in the latter, the former soon follows. Steve Sailer pointed out in the American Conservative the other week that George W. Bush won 25 of the 26 states with the highest fertility rate. On the other hand, John Kerry won the 16 states with the lowest. If I were a Democrat looking 20 years down the road, Id be very alarmed by this trend.
But then not many Democrats do look 20 years down the road: radical secular individualism is a present-tense culture, in America as in Europe. In the long run we are all dead, as Keynes said. There speaks a childless homosexual. Those Old Testament big begetters knew better: a celestial afterlife is something we have to take on faith, but our afterlife on earth is the children we beget and the children they in turn beget. How many divisions has the Pope? scoffed Stalin. Demographically speaking, Jesusland has more divisions than Eutopia. Pace Timothy Garton Ash, you cant defend the Enlightenment if youre too enlightened to breed. Americans remain mystified about one of the landmark events of this year: the terrorist bloodbath in Madrid that changed the result of the countrys election. Why, they wonder on this side of the Atlantic, wouldnt the Spaniards stand firm? But whats to stand firm for? To fight for king and country is to fight for the future, and a nation with Spains fertility rate 1.1 children per couple or about half replacement rate has no future
In that sense, the Bible, beginning with Gods injunction to go forth and multiply, is a lot more rational than the allegedly rational types at Planned Parenthood. Im not an absolutist in these matters. Im a red stater when it comes to God and guns, but I like European art-house movies where Juliette Binoche or Isabelle Huppert take their kit off. Its a question of balance. And comparing Jesusland with present-tense Eutopia, it seems obvious which is more out of whack. What Timothy Garton Ash calls the Enlightenment has degenerated under its present trustees into a doomsday cult with all the coerciveness of the old state religion and none of the eternal truths.
For example, for as long as I can remember, the pre-eminent eco-doom-monger on Canadian TV has been a chap called David Suzuki, who, in a poignant comment on the state of my country, recently made the Top Ten Greatest Canadians Of All Time list. A while back, Suzuki wrote a column called We Are All Animals Here, beginning as follows:
The sign in the shopping mall said, No animals allowed. As I read it, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. It reflected a failure to admit or unwillingness to acknowledge our biological nature. We are animals and have a taxonomic classification: Kingdom: Animalia; Phylum: Chordata; Class: Mammalia; Order: Primates; Family: Hominidae; Genus: Homo; Species: sapiens.
Our reluctance to acknowledge our animal nature is indicated in our attitude to other animals. If we call someone a worm, snake, pig, chicken, mule or ape, it is an insult. Indeed, to accuse someone of being a wild animal at a party is a terrible insult.
But apparently not at his pad; Suzuki, even at a sober wine-and-cheese do, is literally a party animal. This kind of standard ecoblather certainly has animal qualities if only in the sense that its barking. Everyone knows what the sign in the mall means. It may be distressing to Suzuki, but the world we live in is defined not by what we have in common with worms, snakes and pigs, but by what separates us. For the purposes of comparison, consider the Eighth Psalm:
What is man, that thou art mindful of him...? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou hast made him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea.
Now you can say thats a lot of Judaeo-Christian hooey. But the Psalmist, regardless of whether he got it from God or winged it off the top of his head, has characterised the reality of our existence better than the environmentalists and scientists. The Eighth Psalm describes the central fact of our world our dominion over the sheep and oxen, yea, and all the party animals. It was a lot less plausible when it was written, when mans domain stretched barely to the horizon, when ravenous beasts lurked in the undergrowth, when the oceans were uncharted and the maps dribbled away with the words Here be dragons.... But, over the millennia, the Eighth Psalm has held up, which is more than you can say for the average 1970s bestseller predicting the oil would run out by 1998 and the Maldives would be obliterated by global warming.
Its easy, in an otherwise wholly secular West, to mock the religiosity of Jesusland. But if eternal salvation remains unproved, the suspension of disbelief required of Eutopian secularists grows daily. If you were one of those redneck Christian fundamentalists the worlds media are always warning about, you might think the Continents in for what looks awfully like the Four Horsemen of the Euro-Apocalypse: Famine the end of the lavishly funded statist good times; Death the self-extinction of European races too selfish to breed; War the decline into bloody civil unrest that these economic and demographic factors will bring; and Conquest the recolonisation of Europe by Islam.
But it goes without saying that Europeans are far too rational and enlightened to believe in such outmoded notions as apocalyptic equestrians. If there is choice on earth, Ill bet on Jesusland. Happy holidays.
Uh, convenient conclusion, but remember the bit in the gospel where Jesus stops the crowd from stoning the adulteress? Seems like, whether formally decreed or not, stoning of fallen women was, indeed, a part of the culture.
Ain't it the truth!?
Mark Steyn was born a Canadian and he'll die a Canadian. He hails from La Belle Province, the same one that is my birthplace. Montreal's a charming city but I don't feel at home where I was born. If my parents felt a life in Little France on the St. Lawrence was the life for me, I wouldn't be posting here. Such is the force of destiny.
He does not just have a way with words, he's a fairly good fortune teller. The European Union is headed for bloody civil war before another generation is done.
"you might think the Continents in for what looks awfully like the Four Horsemen of the Euro-Apocalypse: Famine the end of the lavishly funded statist good times; Death the self-extinction of European races too selfish to breed; War the decline into bloody civil unrest that these economic and demographic factors will bring; and Conquest the recolonisation of Europe by Islam."
I am not a Christian Fundamentalist but I do think this will happen in the next 50 years, perhaps sooner.
"Creationists are an embarrassment to conservatism.."
Have you ever given a coherent, short answer to explain how our world with all its life came about? Luck is it?
Love this observation...most really cerebral liberals that I have encountered seem quite out of touch with what life is really all about...they believe in a utopian world to the exclusion of real life.
The adulteress woman that Jesus dealt with, was a set-up in order to trap Jesus. In Jewish law there had to be two witnesses to the crime before stoning was used. The witnesses were grilled intensely to ensure the truth of the crime, before the person was convicted.
The men who brought the woman accused of adultery were most likely voyeuristic buddies of the unapprehended man in the endeavor. It takes two to commit adultery. They said they caught her in the act.
By Jesus possibly revealing the knowledge of who their adulterous buddy was (writing in the dirt for all to see), and the accusers voyeuristic witnessing in order to set up the adultery, would have discouraged the witnesses before they could go through the grilling. They decided to give up on being convicting witnesses.
Josephus tells us that these types of stonings would happen only once every seven years. A rare occurrence considering the propensity for adultery among people.
It certainly is!
Thanks, I got something from that.
I'm glad to learn that the estimable Mr. Steyn knows what's in Romans.
I enjoy reading both Mark Steyn and Janet Daley in The Daily Telegraph...they are the highlight of my week.
Do I belive that God created everything, including man? Yes, unreservedly. Do I believe he did it in seven days, with a wave of his hand? With respect to the literalists, no. I believe God is much more subtle.
I believe God set up all the conditions necessary for man to evolve, pushed the button, and, at the appropriate time, caused the mutation that became Adam, and endowed him with a soul. Doing it this way is a far greater demonstration of his power and omniscience than a flash-bang kind of creation. It also has the salutary effect of causing scientists to go down their thought chains, hypotheses, etc, to discover, at the end.....the ineffible, that is, God.
The Israelite law did, in fact, require stoning of adulterers. The scriptural account you are refering to has two interesting points.
The man was not being chased down - only the woman. The law required that BOTH be stoned. Stoning only her would have been an injustice.
She was being chased down by a mob. We can't be certain, but this appears to have been a group of vigilantes. The law required a system of judges and witnesses. Vigilantism was not in keeping with the law.
Yes, didn't see an article for a while from him.
Your encouragement is a blessing. I will try to pass it on!
Umm...I'm going to have to disagree with steyn on this one.
She may be a two bagger...or even three (where you put the third bag over the dog's head so he'll still respect you in the morning).
Maybe Steyn saw her when she was younger, or perhaps in a movie with a lot of makeup and airbrushing.
Indeed. Good catch!
BUMP to that!
Relax, Vade, creationists aren't an embarassment or a threat to anybody. Just ignore them, unless you share the nutty belief that they might be complicit in "...drag[ging] us back down into the Dark Ages...".
You're right about Steyn and science though - stick to culture and politics. Of course, evolution, in the public arena, has always been politics. So his evo-bashing is fair enough. Some evos occasionally get a little carried away with themselves. Here's the full "Dark Ages" quote from a recent FR thread:
"Like you, I weep for our future."
Don't let it get you down. I'm much more optimistic. We have a few hundred thousand scientists (more than ever before in the world's history) upon whom the future of our species depends. It seems depressingly true that the great majority of the population is stone cold ignorant of science, and a few -- so well represented in these theads -- are openly hostile to any manifestation of reason, but it has always been so.
With all that baggage trying to drag us back down into the Dark Ages, we're still making progress. If some school districts here and there get into astrology and creationism, it's tragic for those kids, but such setbacks aren't universal. Others will carry the torch of reason and learning forward."
The controversy exists much more outside of science than within it. The side-issue FR thread of today threatens to be an election issue down the road. That's where all the action in school board meetings is heading. If sometime, say, a creationist plank gets inserted into a Republican Party platform, we're going to get clobbered.
Been thinking about this one. Didn't mean to keep you waiting but in a way it's an interesting question.
The short answer is that I've probably tried it, but it was a mistake if I did. The stunning thing, at least now that I've thought about it, is that anyone would expect a reasonably informative answer on the Origin of Everything to be short, especially since by conventional accounts the origin of life comes long (some ten billion years) after the origin of the universe.
Of course, "God" is a short answer. The problem is that, for people who don't already think they know all that, it's uninformative.
"Luck" is a short answer, too, but I'm not sure much luck was needed to get intelligent life in the universe, at least in the one we have. "Physics, chemistry, and chaotic phenomena on planets in favorable orbits," is about as short as I'd want to go but even that is just asking for it.
Short answers just generate a barrage of know-nothing questions. And, come right down to it, if you want a short answer for "life, the universe, and everything," you don't want an answer at all.
Merry Christmas to all.
And, to all, a good night.
Are you sure? You seem a sublimely complacent dolt. Just when you think people have finally wised up a bit is when you get a lesson yourself.
The Democrats have to be looking on hopefully as around the country one buffoon after another tries to take over a local school board meeting. At a time when the Dems are--politically speaking--on the mat and gasping, I'm trying to keep a pack of bozos from running in with the oxygen bottle.
Yeah, I'll probably be offline an extra bit over Christmas. However, exposing the constant misrepresentations of militant nutcases is easy and fun. It's not like they come up with new material at any high rate. It's become a hobby and I have no plans to stop.
As for providing oxygen to the Dems, you and your Darwin's Neo-bulldogs here at FR are sure doing your bit to help.
I cannot imagine a basis for this statement in fact or reason, given the "loons and buffoons" stereotype the creationists reinforce to the harm of conservatism in general. The "Darwin's Neo-bulldogs" on this forum do two things which tend to forestall potential gains by the Democrats. We show the world in general that some of us can actually spell "science" if not "Mister." We also prevent fence-sitting lurkers against being gulled by the relentless bad-penny arguments of the creationists.
By comparison, you have in your role of shill from the sidelines now wasted a fair amount of oxygen making the world safe for the loons and buffoons. You're not the first to try to slip into the discussion via that route. I suppose it'll be my fault for being so mean when in a month or so you're posting that there are no transitional forms, evolution cannot account for irreducible complexity, Java Man was a big gibbon, Neanderthal Man was a modern human with rickets, Lucy's skull and kneecap were found a mile apart, Stephen Jay Gould made his hopeful monster theory because of the lack of transitionals, evolution is only a THEORY anyway, if we came from monkeys why are there still chimpanzees, and there are human and dinosaur footprints together in Paluxy, Texas.
I guess I'll have to live with that, mistah science.
Steyn doesn't usually boot one this badly, but in the mid-70's we had three hard winters in a row and the eeekologists were all telling us we would perish in the coming ice age.
Steyn is probably too young a feller to remember the details.
From my Creationist perspective these realities -- physics, chemistry, and chaotic phenomena on planets in favorable orbits-- are evidence of a Creator. Considering the boundaries that these laws permit, there is a definite order within chaos. The laws of physics and chemistry allow for order, that without those laws would be nonexistant.
The early creationist scientists believed the discovery of these "laws" were like a puzzle that our Creator laid out for our creative intelligence to search out. Because they viewed them as evidences of design, they were able to make leaps of logic that helped lay the groundwork for the technology we have today.
If a person takes the time to read through the history of how we have come to the advanced scientific place we are at today, they would, if intellectually honest, lay it on the backs of creation scientists.
1. Most of the greatest scientists of the past 1000 years were Christians and creationists.
2. To these scientists, Christianity was the driving force behind their discoveries.
3. The Christian world view gave birth and impetus to modern science.
Denial would be unbecoming.
The West's period of least progress in science was 500 years of virtual standstill while the Arabs invented algebra and the Chinese invented gunpowder. That period, the Dark Ages, was also the absolute triumph of religion as the controlling force in life, politics, and everything.
The Renaissance was in no small part a liberation from the rule of religion over thought. It was the rebirth of western science.
Hell of a good idea.
I listed many scientists in post #12. Their discoveries and contributions to science are well founded.
The Renaissance was in no small part a liberation from the rule of religion over thought.
You are well aware -- because I have been faithful to enlighten you in the past -- that the religious and intellectual oppression came from a corrupt, power hungry Roman Religious imperialism that had nothing to do with Jesus Christ and His teachings. Because you continue to characterize Christianity with things that are diametrically opposed to it's principles, I can only believe that it is your agenda that clouds your judgment.
You are so Dark Ages, guy!
I will admit the Medieval Fantasy genre is my favorite read. (c;
You have not made it clear what needs further explaining.
clear enough, if you read before you rant.
you have in your role of shill ..
shill ? nope. you?
wasted a fair amount of oxygen...
get a life. there's no need to apologize for taking up a tiny bit of your precious time.
loons and buffoons...
phew, more spew.
You're not the first to try to slip into the discussion...
discussion? try rant.
I suppose it'll be my fault for being so mean ....
when in a month of so you are posting that there are no transional forms...
prediction? don't hold your breath. though that might help with your hyperventilation problem.
I guess I'll have to live with that, mistah science.
it's mista to you.
A worthy read and Merry Christmas and all the blessings of the season to you.
the other day I found myself motoring along behind some Vermont feminist whose faded Im Pro-Choice and I Vote bumper sticker was now accompanied by another one demanding grumpily, Instead Of Being Born Again, Why Not Grow Up?
If "growing up" means thinking killing babies because they are inconvenient is a good thing, then I do believe I'll pass.
The Guardians Timothy Garton Ash, just back from a tour of Americas blue states, says that theyre crying out for Europes help:
Thank you for the offer Timmy but I think we'll pass. But if we ever feel the need for high unemployment, 90% tax rates, no moral compass, or the desire to bow down before the French we'll be sure to get in touch with you.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.