Skip to comments.Illegalize illegals: Time for showdown in open frontier
Posted on 12/16/2004 1:17:16 PM PST by atomic_dog
Illegalize illegals: Time for showdown in open frontier
By WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY JR.
The new intelligence law, courtesy of 9/11, is mystifying because it does not face directly what is the most prominent threat to homeland security. It is: inimical action by non-Americans. All the people who participated in 9/11 were foreigners, here under various auspices. And yet the bill that has evolved from the findings of the 9/11 commission reads like an elocutionary exercise by a national committee to avoid saying anything unpleasant about unpleasant people born abroad.
Specifically, the threat at this moment is from foreign terrorism. The day may come when there are native-born Americans who join in such a threat, such as the Weather Underground types we experienced during the '60s.
But at this point, the terrorists come from abroad. "Last May," writes National Interest editor John O'Sullivan, "illegal aliens from Malaysia, Pakistan, Morocco, Uganda and India were released without bond. They are now at large in the U.S."
What happened is that as the intelligence bill crystallized, a fear developed that it might be construed as xenophobic. Somewhere along the line the word came down from the White House that for the president to be able to sign the bill, it had to be plucked clean of any suggestion that an illegal Muslim fundamentalist should be treated at all differently from an illegal Christian evangelist. Remember the odd deportment of Norman Mineta, who has been reappointed as transportation secretary? He went to extraordinary lengths several years ago to insist that security personnel at airports should pay no greater attention to 30-year-old Near-Eastern Muslims called Mohammed than they would to Shirley Temple.
The immigration problem is the primary unmet challenge of modern times. It is so because the whole of our political establishment cringes at any suggestion that the United States is inhospitable to immigration. We do have laws on the books, but they are apparently made for the sole purpose of flouting them. Time magazine published the most florid essay on the question, estimating the annual flow of illegal immigration at more than 2 million persons.
There are two questions on the table. The first deals with raw immigration: How many people beyond those formally welcome under existing laws should we admit into the United States? The second, what are the risks to security in being as offhanded as we have been?
In the age of terrorism, it is obvious that the enemy will seek to do damage operating within U.S. territory. That, of course, was the story of the 9/11 hijackers, 19 Muslim terrorists who took advantage of loose laws to practice flying accurately into U.S. skyscrapers.
But the movements of such folk are not of primary concern to the U.S. government, to judge from the record. O'Sullivan reports that the Transportation Department has launched several lawsuits against airlines because pilots had banned passengers they thought were security risks.
Asa Hutchinson, an official in the Department of Homeland Security, recently cut down a Border Patrol initiative to catch illegal aliens. The reason? It was catching too many illegal aliens.
We have the piquant problem of what to do with illegals. It approaches the problem of what to do with drinkers during Prohibition. You couldn't put them all in jail because there weren't enough jails. Illegals remain largely undisturbed, and the main reason for it isn't U.S. sentimentality toward aspirant Americans. It is the market contribution to the dilemma: There are jobs only illegals are willing to perform, e.g. serving as nannies for Bernard Kerik. Much of the menial and agricultural work done in the southwestern states is done by illegals.
The result of the combined forces the need for cheap labor and the passion to avoid any appearance of ethnic or religious discrimination is an open frontier. Yes, a few illegals are deported. These should get a parade, signaling such distinction as attaches to the infrequency of their apprehension. And perhaps a parade when they come through the next time, often through the same gap in the southwestern frontier.
A subsidiary but not uninteresting question is: Where do our deportees gather? What help is available to them to reassemble? Perhaps to return to Arizona in time for high school reunions?
It's a tough one politically, but Congress should bear down on the subject, intimately related to concerns for homeland security.
We need to cast the PC garbage aside and get tough on this problem.
>>>> Specifically, the threat at this moment is from foreign terrorism. The day may come when there are native-born Americans who join in such a threat, such as the Weather Underground types we experienced during the '60s.
They already are!!!!
High School reunions in Arizona? We do that? But, 30 years out of High School and I still haven't received an invitation. Maybe somebody is trying to tell me something...
PC is the impedence to the soultion of most of this counties problems right now.
Students for a Democratic Society and the Weatherman Underground Association
Neither for nor against he is. Apparently.
The economics of ILLEGAL immigration is entirely separate from immigration.
Maybe I misjudge the writings of New Democrat Third Way progressives at ndol.org (the Clinton Democrats) and maybe I misjudge the actions of conservative mainline Republican "free traders." But it seems to me that they have joined together along with the movers and shakers of countries around the world (their peers) and numerous international entities to implement a plan.
One part of the plan is the technology, wealth, and jobs transfers to developing nations and the other part is the labor transfer from developing nations to developed nations. I believe the latter is called economic diaspora.
Economic diaspora is a kind of worldwide affirmative action designed to "raise everyone's boat" with huge emotional and economic benefits ("cheap" labor) for the ruling class.
Think about it. Over the past thirty years, except for those adversely affected, did it bother any in America's ruling class that the traditional path of school to jobs was deliberately cut off from one targeted group of Americans? No. On the contrary.
We could not stop the ruling class. In fact the more someone complained the worse they made it. To wit, quotas and expanding the protected classes to include all except for white males.
Now the targeted class is all American workers. Congratulations American minorities! You've got equality!
Even WFB "gets it."
Agreed. But don't bet on Asa as bringing any answers to the table.
THE ORAL DEPOSITION OF WILLIAM C. DUNCAN, a witness produced at the request of the Attorney General's Office, taken in the above styled and numbered cause on the 21st day of June, 1991, before Jeff Bennett, C.C.R., Certificate ~19, of BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC., Notary Public in and for White County, Arkansas at the Office of the Attorney General, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas at 11:40 p.m.
3 Q. Would you state your name, age, and address, please?
4 A. William C. Duncan, age forty-four, 513 Pine Bluff Street,
5 Malvern, Arkansas.
6 Q. Mr. Duncan, briefly would you tell us your educational
7 background, for the benefit of those who might read your
9 A. I graduated from the University of Arkansas at
10 Fayetteville, December 1983, BS/BA marketing.
11 Q. And what was your first- job that you received after having
12 graduated from college?
13 A. Special agent with the U.S. Treasury Department,
14 Intelligence Division.
15 Q. Did you receive any special training with the Treasury
17 A. Yes, I did. A variety of Criminal Investigation Division
18 training and Internal Revenue Service training.
19 Q. You were a criminal investigator for the U.S. Treasury
21 A. Yes, perpetually from December of '73 through June 16,
23 Q. And as a criminal investigator for the Treasury Department,
24 did you have occasion to investigate matters surrounding
25 activities in Mena, Arkansas?
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
1 A. Yes, I did.
2 Q. And were you assigned to Arkansas for that purpose?
3 A. I was already stationed in Arkansas at the Fayetteville,
4 Arkansas post of duty when I became involved in those
6 Q. Would you describe the nature of your instructions and the
7 manner in which you carried out those instructions as they
8 relate to activities surrounding the Mena Airport matter?
9 A. I was assigned to investigate allegations of money
10 laundering in connection with the Barry Seal organization, which
11 was based at the Mena, Arkansas airport.
12 Q. And can you -- how long a duration were you involved in
13 this investigation?
14 A. I received the first information about Mena and illegal
15 activities at the Mena Airport in April of 1983, in a meeting in
16 the U.S. Attorney's Office, Fort Smith, Arkansas. Asa
17 Hutchinson was the U.S. Attorney then. Also present at that
18 meeting was Drug Enforcement Administration Agent Jim Stepp,
20 Q. Did you discover what you believed to be money laundering?
21 A. Yes, I did.
22 Q. Who was the object of your investigation, and what
24 A. Rich Mountain Aviation, Incorporated based at the Mena
25 Airport. Barry Seal was not actually a target. We had targeted
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
1 the employees and cohorts of his which operated out of the Mena
2 Airport, including Freddie Lee Hampton, Joe Evans, Rudy Dale
3 Furr, and there was a banker that was also involved in
4 allegations of the money laundering, his name was Gary Gardner,
5 vice-President at Union Bank of Mena
6 Q. Now, all these persons that you mentioned, were they
7 residents in and around Mena, Arkansas?
8 A. Yes, they were.
9 Q. What did you do with the evidence of money laundering that
10 you gathered from your investigation?
11 A. Presented it to the United States Attorney's Office,
12 Western Judicial District, Fort Smith, Arkansas.
13 Q. And what were your recommendations to the U.S. Attorney?
14 A. That those individuals and corporation -- the corporation
15 be prosecuted for violations of the money laundering statutes,
16 also there were some perjury recommendations and some conspiracy
18 Q. Did you present to the U. S. Attorney a list of prospective
19 witnesses to be called?
20 A. Yes, I did.
21 Q. For a grand jury?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And do you have the names of those witnesses?
24 A. There were a variety of witnesses. There were some 20
25 witnesses. He called three witnesses. The witnesses including
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
1 -- included the law enforcement personnel who had participated
2 in the investigations, Barry Seal, members of his organization,
3 people who were involved in the money laundering, and various
4 financial institution officers who had knowledge.
5 Q. Mr. Duncan, the money laundering to which you refer, did
6 that arise out of an alleged drug trafficking operation managed
7 from the Mena, Arkansas airport?
8 A. It did.
9 Q. And it has been alleged that the Central Intelligence
10 Agency had some role in that operation. Is that the same
11 operation that you investigated?
12 A. Yes.
13 bQ. And when you submitted the witnesses, the names of the
14 prospective witnesses to the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas, are you
15 referring to Mr. -- what was the name of the U. S. Attorney?
16 A. Asa Hutchinson. 17 Q. Asa Hutchinson. And what was his reaction to your
19 A. It had been my experience, from my history of working with
20 Mr. Hutchinson, that all I had to do is ask for subpoenas for
21 any witness and he would provide the subpoenas and subpoena them
22 to a grand jury. His reaction in this case was to subpoena only
23 three of the 20 to the grand jury.
24 Q. Now, of the three witnesses, who were -- what was the
25 nature of the evidence that would have been elicited from those
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
2 A. Direct evidence in the money laundering.
3 Q. And did those witnesses testify for the grand jury?
4 A. yes, they did.
5 Q. Were you present at the time of the grand jury?
6 A. No, I was not.
7 Q. You were not?
8 A. I was in the witness room, but I was not in the grand jury.
9 Q. I see. What was the result of the testimony given by the
10 three witnesses to the grand jury?
11 A. As two of the witnesses exited, one was a secretary who had
12 received instructions from Hampton, Evans, and I think on some
13 occasions had discussed with Barry Seal, the methodology. She
14 was furious when she exited the grand jury, was very upset,
15 indicated to me that she had not been allowed to furnish her
16evidence to the grand jury.
17 Q. Which witness was this?
18 A. Kathy Corrigan Gann.
19 Q. Kathy Corrigan Gann. Do you know her address?
20 A. She is in Mena, Arkansas.
21 Q. Mena, Arkansas. Now, she was a witness?
22 A. She was the secretary for Rich Mountain Aviation, who
23 participated in the money laundering operation upon the
24 instructions of Hampton, Evans.
25 Q. You talked to her about her evidence given to the grand
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
2 A. Yes. I had taken two sworn statements, recorded sworn
3 statements prior to the grand jury, and those transcripts were
4 furnished to the U. S. Attorney.
5 Q. And what did she say about the evidence that she was
6 allowed to give the grand jury as it might have been different
7 from the evidence that you wanted her to give to the grand jury?
8 A. She basically said that "she was allowed to give her name,
9 address, position, and not much else.
10 Q. Mr. Duncan, are you saying that the prospective witness was
11 not permitted in your judgment to give evidence of the money
12 laundering to the grand jury?
13 A. That's what this witmess told me.
14 Q. And there were two other witnesses, I believe you made
15 reference to, did you talk with them?
16 A.I talked to another one, his name was Jim Nugent, who was a
17 Vice-president at Union Bank of Mena, who had conducted a search
18 of their records and provided a significant amount of evidence
19 relating to the money laundering transactions. He was also
20 furious that he was not allowed to provide the evidence that he
21 wanted to provide to the grand jury.
22 Q. And was there a third witness?
23 A. There was a third witness, I don't recall her name
24 off-hand. She was an officer at one of the financial
25 institutions in Mena, and she did not complain to me.
BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.
1 Q. She did not complain?
2 A. No.
3 Q. What was the result of the grand jury inquiry into the
4 money laundering investigation which you had conducted?
5 A. There were never any money laundering indictments.
6 Q. There was no indictment?
7 A. No.
8 Q. Did you have occasion to talk to any of the jurors that
9 were impaneled on the grand jury that heard the evidence?
10 A. At a later date, I came in contact with the deputy foreman
11 of the grand jury, who had previously given testimony to an
12 investigator for the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime,
13 concerning her frustrations as the deputy foreman of the grand
15 Q. Do you remember her name?
16 A. P. J. Pitts.
17 Q. Do you know her address?
18 A. She's in Mena. I don't have her current address.
19 Q. And could you relate to us any other conversation you might
20 have had with her concerning her appearance before the grand
22 A. Well, she was perpetually involved in the grand jury as it
23 heard evidence concerning the Barry Seal matter, and she related
24 to me the frustrations of herself and the entire grand jury
25 because they were not allowed to hear of money laundering...
I was the an acquaintance of the police officer that was killed in Boston by some of these slime.
The Brandeis University kids who hooked up with a bunch of criminals to fight and rob banks for a "better world".
The Katherine Anne Powers crowd----disgusting people all!
Weatherman or Weather Underground Organization, is a "revolutionary organization of communist men and women" formed by members of the Students for a Democratic Society or SDS. They were originally called the Revolutionary Youth Movement. They advocated the overthrow of our government and capitalism. They carried out a campaign of bombings, jailbreaks, and riots in 1969-1976.
The group derived their name from Bob Dylan's song lyrics from "Subterranean Homesick Blues", which were, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows", I use to see that quote at the bottom of their periodical, New Left Notes, when I use to work at a periodical distribution company.
Their first event, in 1969, was the "Days of Rage" in Chicago. They blew up a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. They announced at a convention that they supported Charles Manson. The rally failed to draw as many participants (300) as they had hoped. They did lead a riot through Chicago's business district, smashing windows and cars. 6 were shot and 70 arrested. The conflict went on for a few days.
1970, after the shooting by police of Black Panther Fred Hampton, the group issued a Declaration of War against the United States government, changing its name to the "weather underground organization", adopting fake IDs, and pursuing covert activities only. These initially included plans for a bombing of a US military noncommissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix. But when three Underground members died in an accidental explosion while preparing the bomb in a Greenwich Village, New York City safe house, other cells re-evaluated their plans and decided to pursue only non-lethal projects.
This group released a number of manifestos and declarations, while conducting a series of bombings. These attacked the U.S. Capitol, The Pentagon, police and prison buildings, and the rebuilt Haymarket statue again, among other targets. The group took measures to avoid any loss of life as a result of these bombings, issuing warnings to evacuate the building ahead of time via phone. They also took a $25,000 payment from a drugs group called The Brotherhood of Eternal Love to break LSD advocate Timothy Leary out of prison, transporting him to Algeria. They remained largely successful at avoiding the police and the FBI.
In the mid-to-late 1970s, the group began dissolving, as many members turned themselves in to the police, and others moved onto other armed revolutionary groups. Very few served prison sentences, since the evidence gathered against them, by the FBI's COINTELPRO program, was inadmissable in court, due to the illegal methods used to obtain it.
Famous members of the Weather Underground include Kathy Boudin, Mark Rudd, Terry Robbins, David Gilbert, and the still-married couple Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.
Many former Weathermen have re-integrated into society, without necessarily repudiating their original intent. Bill Ayers, now a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, said in a September 11, 2001 New York Times profile "I don't regret setting bombs. I believe we didn't do enough."
Bookmark to read testimony later. Fascinating so far...
From Mena, former head of DEA, to "guarding" the borders. Bttt!
It seems GW Bush, most of the GOP Senate, and about half of the GOP members of Congress are the only ones who don't "get it".
After 9/11 any dim light bulb should have more "fear" about illegals than being thought of as xenophobic. The naysayers here would have us think no great conservative (republican) minds are concerned about this invasion. Cal Thomas has remarked that something has to be done. Michelle Malkin, Victor Davis Hanson, and on and on.
Sen. James Inhofe is the only repub Senator who stood up against this. The rest folded.
INHOFE SAYS INTELLIGENCE REFORM BILL OVERLOOKS MAJOR ISSUES
Wednesday, December 8, 2004 WASHINGTON--U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.) today voted against the final passage of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (S.2845), which was eventually approved by the Senate (89-2).
"Today I joined the majority of our Oklahoma delegation in voting against the final passage of this bill," Inhofe said. "While there where many provisions I agreed with, unfortunately there were also glaring omissions that where impossible to overlook and caused me to oppose final passage.
"Stripped from the final version of this bill were five provisions that I felt were absolutely imperative to include in this reform package. Once you pass a bill, you lose your leverage to get those things that were controversial back in the bill. I do not have any doubt that the Speaker would bring this up at the beginning of the next Congress, but I have serious doubts that once passed in the House that those five areas that I have outlined would be corrected in the Senate. "Many people would be outraged to know that there is a 3.5 mile gap in our fence line with Mexico that exists solely to preserve the environment of five birds that are protected by the Endangered Species Act. The provision in the bill to patch this hole was removed because apparently repairing our border will disturb these five animals." Senator Inhofe also expressed dismay that the following provisions were removed from the original version of this legislation: * Electronic Confirmation by State DMVs of the Validity of Other States' Driver's Licenses and Driver Information.
* Anti-Trafficking Provision that Adds to the Existing Criminal Code Regarding the Sale of ID Counterfeiting Technology and Information. * A Requirement for Proof of Lawful Presence in the United States. * Temporary Driver's License requirements that State Visas and similar Documents Should Expire on the Same Date as Temporary Licenses. * Restriction on a State's Ability to Accept Foreign Documents like the Matricula for Driver's Licenses.
Buckley talks around the problem like the politicians do...
Jedi Master, YES, since that is a fictional being...
Bill is fictionally conserned.. deathly afraid of saying kick them all out of the country.. even by a train with box cars to the border.. National Security is a joke because of it.. and Bill is too.. Buckley knows exactly WHAT should be done as anybody with an ounce of common sense..
Kill the payoff for coming here illegal.. but that would mean killing most of the drug trade too.. Its hard to make it in the U.S. without certain givens.. Driver license, a place to stay, a job.. Make that hard for legals and damn near impossible for illegals and the problem will almost go away.. YET some want to spend multiplyed billions to go to MARS.. fence the southern border with a decent fence as a symbol.. Send the U.N to Brussels and solve or at least help the illegal problem and America would be stronger and Bush might even be a good President.. Not, then NOT...
He'll also be perfect if any "Blue Ribbon Panels" need to be convened to "examine" events such as Waco, TWA 800, Vince Foster etc.
I blame him for part of this nonsense, he took the conservative flagship publication and handed the keys to a bunch of ideological hustlers like Frum and that doof Goldberg. Both of these conservatives (whatever it is they wish to conserve) hate Red state America and to them everybody west of the Hudson is a subhuman. Maybe his "dependable and docile" nanny stole his Rolex, and that is why he is now even considering immigration reform.
Buckley on the comeback trail.
FYI - Yet another conservative speaks.
Just reading your post brings back the insanity of those years.
I didn't understand them then,and I don't now.
The "radical chic' crowd in NY drove me nuts.I detested Leonard Bernstein after all his kow-towing to The Panthers.
Just did a google on 'Mena, Free Republic',and boy, does that bring back memories. Sure miss Uncle Bill...
[ Just did a google on 'Mena, Free Republic',and boy, does that bring back memories. Sure miss Uncle Bill... ]
See These Priceless Links by Uncle Bill (free republic)
How about these? http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a9138c73be.htm
Yup, and he goes both ways. Asa on the hot heat with John and Ken: Issa & Asa's Town Meeting Part 1
The best entertainment for your tax dollar.
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
>>> Just reading your post brings back the insanity of those years.
Yes, those years were insane. But make no mistake that these people are still alive and well and heading up the same agendas.
Asa's a jackass bump
As the problem escalates, and it will, Vigilance Committees will need to be formed. Self help will be the only option left.
Didn't Asa go to Bob Jones University?
John and Ken (KFI 640 in SoCal) are priceless on this issue.
>>Maybe I misjudge the writings of New Democrat Third Way progressives at ndol.org (the Clinton Democrats) and maybe I misjudge the actions of conservative mainline Republican "free traders." But it seems to me that they have joined together along with the movers and shakers of countries around the world (their peers) and numerous international entities to implement a plan.<<
"All truth goes through three stages.
First it is ridiculed.
Then it is violently opposed.
Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."
We are getting closer and closer to the self evident day. Damn it's been a long ride waiting for others to catch up.
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