Skip to comments.GOP VOTERS STILL WANT GIULIANI FOR PREZ: POLL
Posted on 12/16/2004 11:18:44 PM PST by kattracks
WASHINGTON The stink of Bernard Kerik's rotten bid to become homeland security czar hasn't stuck to his chief cheerleader, Rudy Giuliani, who is a top pick for the presidency among Republicans, a new poll shows.
A whopping 68 percent of Republican voters want to see Giuliani run for the White House in 2008, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll showing little fallout among the party base in the wake of Kerik's embarrassing exit.
And it shows that if party faithful get their way, Giuliani would face off against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in an Empire State showdown which Giuliani would win, 45 percent to 43 percent.
Although she's a favorite among Dems, 50 percent of all voters don't want to see the former first lady run for the White House.
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This "poll" is nonsense. Unless the Republican Party wants a lot of Conservatives to stay at home on election night 2008, they'd best run a real conservative instead of another RINO.
I have NO idea who we are going to go with in '08....
Must of only polled "Republicans" in NYC
I think I would like to see Bob Dole in the primaries...
Nobody does. This whole nonsense is just being trumped up by the Leftist media as a wedge issue to fracture the GOP victory. Hell, GWB hasn't even been inaugurated for his second term and already every Tom, Dick and Ahmed is speculating on who's going to run on the Republican ticket in 2008.
I'm dismayed to see the NY Post hopping on this idiotic bandwagon. I expect that kind of crap from the NY Times.
In what capacity? I like Bob as a gentleman and as a Senator; he's a man of great character, but he was truly lackluster as a Presidential candidate.
What do you think about Dole? Would his healt be to bad in 4 years? I like him a lot...
Bump to that. I won't vote for a cheater and I don't care if he mirrors my politics to a T, because I can't trust someone who will cheat on his family. I might vote for a Bushie if forced, but I will never vote for a Clinton.
I'd vote for him in a second -- he's a great man. And this is not a NYC'r talking.
Much like I vote for bush even though I'm a hard hard core fiscal conservative.
If guilliani doesn't push his pro-choice/pro-gay views than he can be a great leader. He is made from far sterner stuff than GW who has just as many faults with the idealogy of a conservative (although on the fiscal, not social side).
Well, I would like to see him run as president/vice president I think he would add stature to the debate/primary if he were on the stage even if he wasn't nominated...
Bob Dole doesn't have time for primaries. Bob Dole is too busy popping Viagra. Bob Dole doesn't mean to disappoint you, but Bob Dole is gonna be busy elsewhere, if you know what Bob Dole means...Bob Dole's not just smiling because he's happy to see you.
I like Dole as a gentleman and a Senator, but even in '96 it was clear that he wasn't much of a Presidential candidate. Dole would have fared better running for President around the time that Dick Nixon ran.
Right now I'm throwing my support to Santorum and Tancredo. But, like I've been saying, nobody knows who's going to have their hat in the ring come 2007 and 2008. Remember that GWB wasn't even a blip on anyone's radar in 1998 and much of 1999.
He's an adulterous, pro-abortion, anti-Second Amendment RINO. That doesn't make for a "great man" in my book.
"Bump to that. I won't vote for a cheater and I don't care if he mirrors my politics to a T, because I can't trust someone who will cheat on his family. I might vote for a Bushie if forced, but I will never vote for a Clinton."
So if you won't vote for a cheater, you're not going to vote for Giuliani?
I would never vote for Giuliani... I'll go to a third party... I need a pro-life candidate
Newp. American voters ain't that fond of consecutive dynasties.
Who, other than Chaney? Can you name one Governor or Senator who is positioned to run for President in 2008 who even comes within a light year of being as conservative as Bush?
Only a FReeper would fail to realize that Bush is the most conservative president in history and that it is a miracle that he got elected.
Judas Priest, you must be kidding. Bob Dole was a great candidate in 1970, but he's not a contender any more. He's too liberal and too old to appeal to the two voter groups Republicans MUST get--the base, and as many women as possible.
I actually worked for Dole in 1988. Bush was a nightmare. But Dole wouldn't even win the Iowa caucus if he ran again, I bet, and I doubt he'd run anyway.
Liddy, on the other hand, now, SHE might be thinking seriously about it. But she's WAAAAAAAAAAY too liberal.
That should be LIBBY Dole...sheesh. Too much typing, not enough sleep.
Well, that's what's going to make the GOP nomination interesting in '08. There probably won't be a George W. Bush bohemoth in the primaries as he was in 2000, so it's pretty much an open field. As for Rudy, I don't think he was going to run in '08 even before the Kerik revalations.
Well, think about the triangulation, ALL the liberals were hailing Kerry as a war hero during this election, saying that made him the right choice for president, Now Dole steps up to the plate, the sould HAVE to give him the same "positive coverage" or have their BIAS uncovered yet again... do ya follow me?
Bob Dole . . . Bob Dole . . . Bob Dole . . . B-o-b . . . D -o -l -e . . . batteries failing . . .
Again, I'm grateful that Bush defeated Gore and I'm grateful that Bush defeated Kerry...and I know that Bush is a man of deep faith, but a lot of his policies are decidedly NOT conservative.
Let me know why he's a great man. His politics and mine are VERY close in some ways, but I'd never vote for him. I know only one thing he did that was impressive, and that's cleaning up Times Square and the squeegee boys in NYC, but even that was not all that great. He was just doing what a mayor ought to be doing.
Dole is the man :) I'm sorry I like him.
*tossing you a couple of Viagra and cans of Pepsi*
(Hey, if it's good enough for Bob...)
"Only a FReeper would fail to realize that Bush is the most conservative president in history and that it is a miracle that he got elected."
Totally disagree. We're probably going to be running against Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Now, what is Hillary's greatest weakness? Her policies? Her views change with each focus group. She could easily run to our right, get into office, and then do whatever she pleases. Probably not do much policy, and instead use her office for personal enrichment and retribution against her enemies, like her husband did.
Her greatest weakness is her lack of principle, and her opportunism. You beat her by having principles, values, a core set of beliefs. That's not many of these "front-runner" candidates. But it might be Rick Santorum, or Mark Sanford.
If we run a RINO, and especially a RINO with poor morals like Giuliani, there will be an equivalence between our candidate and Hillary. And this party will split down the middle, and she'll trample right over the RINO. Just like her hubby in 1992.
The "most conservative President in HISTORY"??? I love President Bush but clearly you're the one who's delusional...
Helping getting other Republicans elected to Congress? I'm pretty sure Senators John Sununu and Jim Talent and others appreciate him using his post-9/11 popularity getting elected against tough Democratic opponents.
Does anyone really think that a former mayor of a city like NY
doesn't have a lot of skeletons and black bags in his closet?
Then keep him out on the stump, don't put him into elective office.
I guess it depends on the elective office IMO. Yes, he should not become president; however, without Rudy holding elective office, NYC would be much worse than Fallujah. And since New York was the fourth bluest state according to this past election, Rudy as governor or a senator of the Empire State would be very much appreciated . . . at least by me.
Rudy as governor (can't be any worse than Pataki and at least Rudy's instinct is to fight), head of DHS, or AG. I can live with him in any of them. Unfortunately, his ego demands that he go for the big prize. Too bad. The poll that scares the heck out of me is Ferrar leading Bloomberg for mayor. Granted, Bloomberg's basically a liberal Democrat. But he fulfills the on major requirement of a post-Rudy NYC mayor: Is he on the side of the cops of the race-baiters? "Ferrar" is how you say "Dinkins" in Spanish. Here's hoping there's another bloody Democratic primary.
You have got to tell me why you think that Bush is the most conservative president in history. Please. I've already made the other folks in the office look at me for laughing at that comment. I need the laughs--please elaborate and give me another chuckle.
And as to Governors or Senators who are as conservative as Bush and (here's the rub) are positioned to run, no, because there are only two Pubbie Senators who are known nationally, noisy, and obviously angling, Trent Lott and John McCain. Not that many Pubbie guvs are out there nationally. Maybe Jeb Bush or Arnie or Pataki, but after that, recognition level as far as the voters go drops way down. Never mind that. There's a lot of noise to be made in Iowa and NH that will wake people up between now and 2008. Nobody knew who the heck Dean was before 2003. But there are far more options and they will be better known after the feelers start getting put out in Iowa and NH and the various straw polls.
My money is on a guy whose dad is better known nationally than he is--George Allen, R. Va.--but he's gotta get past Warner in the next election before anything else can happen.
Triangulation? He's too old to play the triangle! You must have that little blue pill on your mind. :)
I agree with what you're saying, but there is simply no way. I even like the guy--I think he's sharp and funny. But I just don't see a 100-year-old Bob Dole tramping around Iowa and NH again. It's not gonna happen.
Good analysis bump. That we are already worried about that bitch is a sign of how dangerous she is. I thought Bush v. Kerry was important, but the next election is going to be Nixon v. McGovern all over again. Hopefully, we'll get a real conservative finally instead of a Nixon, but I know the country is in real trouble if Hitlary gets in.
Maybe your right, I have no idea where we turn in '08 I feel maybe Jeb would have have the best shot? He is a govenor ehh who knows...
Why am I not surprised.
How about JC Watts. He is a strong figure and a staunch conservative
He's a great man because he cleaned up a city that had no hope -- it was completely gone. Call it off.
IRL, I'm in a pretty corporate environment and he has two assets which make for a great CEO. He's a "turn around" guy and he's a "crisis management" guy. We've seen him in action twice and he's done great.
He might not have the chops to be president based on his views, although I say boo to those of you making comments about him cheating. GW and mispent youth anyone? And before Reagan entered politics (as SAG president) he didn't make that much of his life. We all have our faults, but character is how you act when the chips are down, and Rudy has out-performed twice. Once with NYC and once with 9/11.
Let me turn the question around... would anyone here vote against a SOMEONE/RUDY ticket (Rudy as vp?) Unlike dems I like to think we pride ourselves on being big tent as long as someone isn't threatening core values.
I have no problem with log cabin republicans or anti-gun republicans or pro-choice republicans as long as they realize that some of their views differ from the party platform which republicans sign on to. And I bet that most of you feel that way. Afterall, I don't see that many threads about Specter now that he towed the line...
Thank goodness for small favors .... :)
As for Giuliani, the more I cogitate on his pre-9/11 history, the more I think he is not viable as a presidential candidate. BUT, I think he would be a terrific vice presidential candidate, and here's why. Yes, he still has the divorce baggage, but that's not as important in a VP. His assets are his 9/11 cachet, his considerable charm (unlike Silky Pony, who just thought he was charming!), his obvious willingness to get out there and stump for the GOP, and, if God forbid something happened to the Prez, I think he has shown he is perfectly capable of stepping up to the plate in a crisis. (And that's important in a VP. That was one of Edwards' main failings, that he just seemed too callow to actually be President if it became necessary.) Giuliani should also pull a lot of voters from the middle, and maybe even some from the left. If we could harness him with someone who is conservative but not so conservative that he's scary, I think Giuliani would be awesome and an asset to the office.
Dunno about Jeb for '08. I like him but I have great doubts about that proposition. I think that would backfire amongst all but the very faithful -- it just smacks too much of "dynasty." Maybe in '16 (or '12, if necessary).
"He's an adulterous, pro-abortion, anti-Second Amendment RINO. That doesn't make for a "great man" in my book."
I'll ignore "adulterous" -- he has faults, like plenty of leaders. You don't believe the NYT press has their long knives out for him on this? Should Jack Ryan have gotten killed this last political cycle as well?
You can not get elected in that part of the country without being pro-abortion to some degree. The debate on this is clearly shifting in the country but that doesn't determine a candidate for an executive office.
You do know Cheney has pretty much admitted to not supporting a gay marriage ammendment, right? But he's been clear in his support for the president.
I would expect that if Rudy would want to get ellected or fill a leadership role there would be certain expectations for him as well.
But views which are different from mine do not bar an individual from helping lead. If you had been in NYC at the time of 9/11 (I was, with family), you would have seen a great man who lead people well. Instead, many sit here reading this with a cynic's eye and applying a litmus test preemptively to quash an individual who has much potential to expand the influence of this party beyond 150k votes in Ohio.
Doesn't make selling out any more right. What's next? Selling out the Second Amendment as well?
Sorry...there are just some issues that are non-negotiable.
Rudy is my first choice.
I will not vote for Giuliani.
I'd hate to see what your second choice is then...