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Swift Boat Veterans Vow to Continue
NewsMax ^ | Dec 17, 2004 | Limbacher

Posted on 12/17/2004 8:57:22 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that John Kerry's campaign mismanager blames/thanks for the Democrat presidential nominee's defeat, promises that it won't go away.

Recently enlarged and renamed Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, it is keeping an eye on Kerry, who has thrilled Republicans by saying he might run for president again in 2008.

William E. Franke, who runs the organization's day-to-day operations, pointed out to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the group was need because the media establishment failed to report adequately and accurately on the admitted war criminal Kerry's past.

"They have called us rag merchants and liars and scum and every name under the sun. But what he has never done is respond substantively to our accusations," Franke said.

Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth has grown to "a substantive organization" with a donor list of 150,000, he said.

He said the group might help distribute the documentary "Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal," which NewsMax aired on television nationwide after left-wing groups censored Sinclair Broadcast Group's attempt to show it.

Franke noted that it was an injustice that the Bush-hating film "Fahrenheit 911" could be shown so widely by the same types who muzzled "Stolen Honor."

"One thing I suspect we may do is join in an effort so that the POWs are able to get their message out," he told the paper.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: franke; stolenhonor; swiftboat; swiftboat08; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; swiftees; swiftvets; williamfranke

1 posted on 12/17/2004 8:57:23 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Ping


2 posted on 12/17/2004 9:02:01 AM PST by VNam68 (Merry Xmas to everyone!!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Swift Vets Ping


4 posted on 12/17/2004 9:02:38 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that John Kerry's campaign mismanager blames/thanks for the Democrat presidential nominee's defeat, promises that it won't go away.

They are Divinely inspired. I feel they have a mandate from G-d.

5 posted on 12/17/2004 9:04:38 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Think I will do a little SwiftGloating today.


6 posted on 12/17/2004 9:13:22 AM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter - 2008)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

In the last couple weeks, I've seen Mike McCurry and Kerry's campaign flak Chad [Somebody] refer to the "lies" of the SWIFTvets. McCurry called their efforts "the most dishonorable thing I've ever seen in politics."

Yet I cannot recall one single event or instance in which anything the SWIFTvets said was refuted or corrected. Even the WashPost article on the Bay Hap incident effectively came up with nothing (and it was the only careful and thorough reconstruction of the incident).


7 posted on 12/17/2004 9:18:02 AM PST by angkor
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

Hanoi Kerry is in violation of

US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,
who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Violation of 18 USC 2381

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002381----000-.html

Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined
under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Violation of 18 USC 953

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html

Private correspondence with foreign governments
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States,
directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government
or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm

AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

Petition to Investigate and Indict
Hanoi Kerry for acts of treason

http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/

Timeline of Hanoi Kerry

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

VVAW, FBI files and John Kerry,
What stockpirate has found

http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/

Viet Nam Vets are NOT going away
until Hanoi Kerry is removed from office!

212 LINKS to Anti Kerry sites
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html

Contact your current
senators and representatives

and main stream right wing media

and find out why Hanoi Kerry still is in the US Senate.
Demand that this traitor is removed from the US Senate now!

Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


8 posted on 12/17/2004 9:50:44 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Big Swifties ~ Bump!


9 posted on 12/17/2004 9:52:20 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump!!!


10 posted on 12/17/2004 9:56:36 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: angkor

Mike McCurry calling the Swifties dishonorable?

I think that when you look up 'irony' in the dictionary, this is the definition.


11 posted on 12/17/2004 9:57:54 AM PST by andie74 (Proud Resident of Fly-Over Country)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!


12 posted on 12/17/2004 10:00:09 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"it is keeping an eye on Kerry, who has thrilled Republicans by saying he might run for president again in 2008."

If anybody truly believes that Kerry will run again (or at least that he'd be nominated again), I've got a couple of bridges...


13 posted on 12/17/2004 10:03:10 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The Swift Boat Veterans and Free Republic will NEVER relent.


14 posted on 12/17/2004 10:06:36 AM PST by international american (Generation Jones: "I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the free-throw line of life)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

as for Fahrenheit911, we tried...at least we got the word out.


www.pabaah.com

join us!


15 posted on 12/17/2004 10:20:09 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Swifties bump


16 posted on 12/17/2004 10:27:34 AM PST by GOPJ (M.Dowd...hits..like a bucket of vomit with Body Shop potpourri sprinked across the surface--Goldberg)
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To: Gone GF
If anybody truly believes that Kerry will run again (or at least that he'd be nominated again), I've got a couple of bridges...

You may want to watch those bridges a little more closely. With Teresa's cash, and if Kerry is willing to move far enough left to satisfy the DU/Moveon types, he could easily win the nomination.

The Democrat Party nomination process is firmly in the grip of the 'wing nut" left factions and unless they change their primary rules in the next 4 years to allow less radical party pros a say, Kerry could have it again if he wants. In addition, four years from now, what remains of the Mainstrean media will have even less influence among Rat primary voters than they have now with Republicans. The mainstream is done from a King Making standpoint and you will see the "grass roots" driving the bus.

It will boil down to what Kerry wants to do.

17 posted on 12/17/2004 10:41:50 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: angkor
Kerry never responded substantively, and neither did the MSM. One day the NY Slimes simply announced the Swiftees had been "discredited" and that became the MSM mantra.

The only things in the book that I've seen contested substantively are that the guy Kerry shot to get his silver star may have been wearing pajamas instead of a loin cloth and Rassman's claim (from the bottom of the river) that Kerry was being fired upon when he came back from him in the Bronze Star incident. I'm not aware of anything else that's even contested. For heaven's sake, Kerry's own account of the Silver Star incident conflicts with the citation.

18 posted on 12/17/2004 10:47:48 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker
pajamas instead of a loin cloth and Rassman's claim (from the bottom of the river) that Kerry was being fired upon when he came back

The pajamas claim was from the VC in Ca Mau, who gave differing answers to Nightline and to the AP reporter who interviewed them a month or two earlier. The Vietnamese Communists are notorious liars (and I say this as the husband of a S. Vietnamese woman who grew up on the Delta).

As for Rassman's claim, I'll cut him slack and say that he confused friendly fire for enemy fire in the heat of battle. All the other SWIFTees say he's wrong.

19 posted on 12/17/2004 11:07:56 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
I thought Nightline taking the word of VC over American veterans was especially vile.

I cut Rassman slack too. He struck me as a pretty naive guy who was seriously being taken advantage of by Kerry's handlers.

20 posted on 12/17/2004 11:14:09 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Go Swiftees!


21 posted on 12/17/2004 11:25:12 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Stillwaters; Pride in the USA

To any lurking swifties: We love you guys and stand with you in all your efforts to be heard. Thank you!


22 posted on 12/17/2004 11:28:14 AM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: colorado tanker

I've been following this very closely and that's my take also.

But Rassman's claim is very shacky. Since he was under water at the time. Gardner had a good take on what really happened. Essentially saying that when the mine exploded we all started firing which was SOP. Then ceased after it became obvious there was no enemy fire.


23 posted on 12/17/2004 11:28:30 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Kerry '08 ambitions go up in smoke!


24 posted on 12/17/2004 11:30:28 AM PST by hershey
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
I agree with Gardner too. That's the likeliest explanation.

The thing that gets me about that whole incident is Kerry taking a powder when the mine went off, leaving the other two crews to handle the emergency. That even made the Washington Post, but the talking heads mostly ignored it.

25 posted on 12/17/2004 11:40:30 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: mylife

Perhaps in '08, the Kerry campaign will put out their "black book" on the Swifties before campaigning to discredit them. Kerry isn't done yet, I can feel it. So everytime he raises his ugly head, somebody step on it.


26 posted on 12/17/2004 11:41:09 AM PST by griswold3
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To: colorado tanker

I heard Rassman was on the payroll, but it was never verified. I spent time looking at FEC records (line item disbursments) to see if the Kerry Campaign ever paid him, but came up dry (only looked at October records). They may have washed his payments through the DNC as was done with other operatives.

But the guy was constantly on the campaign trail.

As for the Bay Hap stories, there were huge holes. Like the guy who for the AP interview could only remember the firefight being sometime in February, but had lived 30 years near his fallen comrade's tomb which had the specific date on it. He didn't mention the tomb (with the exact date) to the AP reporter, and that kind of disconnect in a Vietnamese village is simply not credible. In "The Village", everyone knows everything about everyone.

And any reporter who accepts the word of a VC supervised by a Communist Party minder is simply gullible beyond belief.


27 posted on 12/17/2004 11:53:30 AM PST by angkor
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Christmas songs for the SwiftVets -- RUDOLPH...... I'M GETTIN' NOTHIN' FOR CHRISTMAS
28 posted on 12/17/2004 11:58:08 AM PST by doug from upland (Vietnam Vets: FINALLY -- welcome home, heroes)
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To: andie74
Mike McCurry calling the Swifties dishonorable?

This was on some sort of panel discussion on C-SPAN. Fortunately, the guy who ran PR for the SWIFTvets was also on the panel and didn't let McCurry get away with it.

The last question of the day was "What was your most memorable moment during the campaign", and the PR dude gave a very moving description of his work with the SWIFTvets, how honorable and brave they were, how they were so relieved to be telling the truth after so many years, etc.

McCurry sat there like a big sourpuss, shaking his head in contempt, looked like he wanted to start a fight with the guy. A typical despicable Rat.

McCurry is actually more repellent as a private citizen than he ever was as Clinton's press secretary.

29 posted on 12/17/2004 12:05:06 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
The few Swiftees who supported Kerry seemed to be in lockdown in hotels the whole campaign, denying interviews to the press. I assumed they were on the payroll, but never saw any evidence.
30 posted on 12/17/2004 12:05:18 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

Their participation was low-key, but I specifically recall seeing a Rassman schedule one week, he was hitting 3 or 4 cities in Florida in October.

Someone in Rassman's financial position doesn't do that for free.


31 posted on 12/17/2004 12:08:24 PM PST by angkor
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To: griswold3

"Kerry isn't done yet, I can feel it. So everytime he raises his ugly head, somebody step on it."

Main stream right wing media is afraid of him.

NOT right wing media,
just main stream right wing media.

They are afraid to call Hanoi Kerry on
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

Thank Goodness right stream media has not given up.

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com



32 posted on 12/17/2004 12:34:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 12/17/2004 1:03:36 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lazamataz
They are Divinely inspired. I feel they have a mandate from G-d.

Amen! I think so too.

34 posted on 12/17/2004 1:04:56 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: griswold3
everytime he raises his ugly head, somebody step on it. Oh! I love to play "whack A rat"!
35 posted on 12/17/2004 1:23:26 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Go Swifties!!


36 posted on 12/17/2004 1:41:50 PM PST by Texas Deb
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To: Gone GF
If anybody truly believes that Kerry will run again (or at least that he'd be nominated again), I've got a couple of bridges...

Well, the DUmmies have done stranger things. Like nominate Hillary perhaps.

37 posted on 12/17/2004 1:57:50 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
You KNOW how I feel.....

John Kerry should be brought up on charges....given a fair trial...convicted..have a rope placed around his neck.....and left to swing in the breeze until he stops twitching.

redrock

38 posted on 12/17/2004 2:23:14 PM PST by redrock (America lives!!!! (despite the liberals))
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To: redrock

Him and Hanoi Jane


39 posted on 12/17/2004 2:32:26 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: Lazamataz
They are Divinely inspired. I feel they have a mandate from G-d.

I recall the Ineffable, just the other day, telling me that it had granted them no mandate, and had no plans to do so. It wanted me to let you know.

40 posted on 12/17/2004 2:34:58 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Afternoon Bump!


41 posted on 12/17/2004 3:31:24 PM PST by JDoutrider (Merry Christmas FReepers!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Should read All Vets Vow To Continue

Good evening, Tonk. I'm on board.

42 posted on 12/17/2004 6:19:10 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: lonevoice; ALOHA RONNIE; Ragtime Cowgirl; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; ...

"To any lurking swifties: We love you guys and stand with you in all your efforts to be heard. Thank you!"
===
AMEN to that!!!



43 posted on 12/17/2004 6:42:24 PM PST by JLO
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks, Tonk - as always!


44 posted on 12/17/2004 6:43:45 PM PST by JLO
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To: BIGLOOK

Sorrry to say, the link didn't work for all vets vow to continue. I suppose I should get off my lazy butt and find it myself, and I will! Just wondering if it pointed to anything in particular within.


45 posted on 12/17/2004 6:48:34 PM PST by JLO
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To: JLO

It wasn't a link; just a revised title.


46 posted on 12/17/2004 6:58:36 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Oh. Ok, thanks.


47 posted on 12/17/2004 7:27:29 PM PST by JLO
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To: Lazamataz; Tumbleweed_Connection

.

NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY came back from Vietnam to call us American Soldiers fighting for Freedom there...


...rapists and terrorists who cut off heads & ears.

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320



Whereas...


MEL GIBSON came back from filming our real Vietnam War Story titled "WE WERE SOLDIERS" deeply inspired to finally make his ultimate story of Love and Sacrifice titled...


.."The PASSION of the Christ"

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081



I wonder WHO got it right..?



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965, Landing Zone Falcon

http://www.WeWereSoldiers.com
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm


NEVER FORGET

.


48 posted on 12/17/2004 7:46:21 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.comi)
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To: JLO

Thank God for our heroes and their loved ones!


49 posted on 12/17/2004 10:00:28 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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