Skip to comments.Firefox is hot; Thunderbird's not — for good reason
Posted on 12/17/2004 5:51:49 PM PST by Graybeard58
Among the online worlds hottest commodities, nothing sizzles quite like Firefox, the new Web browser by the California-based Mozilla Foundation thats causing sleeplessness in and around Seattle, Microsoft Corps home turf.
Since Version 1.0 of Firefox went public about a month ago, about 10 million Internet Explorer users have seen the white-hot light and switched, gnawing off a huge chunk of IE's dominant market share (about 4 percent of it) while easing their security concerns. (This week, Microsoft announced five new security flaws in IE, bringing the total this year to 45 or about 43 more than many people consider tolerable. And last week, Penn State University implored its 80,000-plus students and faculty to stop using IE purely for security's sake.)
So, it's logical to think the Foundation's flagship e-mail program, Thunderbird, developed almost in lock step with Firefox and now enjoying its own Version 1.0 release, has superstar numbers in its future as well. After all, Thunderbird's believed to be less vulnerable to online threats than Microsoft's popular Outlook and Outlook Express e-mail products the same reason behind Firefox's star turn over IE.
But that kind of thinking may only give you headaches.
The Thunderbird-Firefox open-source tandem replaces
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Anyone use T-bird?
I'm still using Eudora.
This lowly homo erectus has been managing on hotmail so I guess I'm free to wander... What exactly must I do to get ahold of these wonders for my own?
I tried Thunderbird...it looked pretty, but stunk. It would appear to send messages, but wouldn't - I never knew if an email would really arrive or not, most of the time not. I don't know what the problem was, but I won't use it until they make a better version.
I use it because no one seems to be properly maintaining MH. As for Firefox, it has better useability in some respects than Mozilla (particularly with bookmarks), but it has more bugs and glitches. I wish the darn program would stop trying to write to C:\WINDOWS\TEMP. Annoying as hell.
Eudora rocks. Even with the ads, it's very nice. However, If they ever become overly agressive with the ads - I'm gone.
I use KMail on my linux box and Mail.app on OS X. Required to use Outlook at work.
I may have to take a look at T-Bird.
I tried an earlier version, but couldn't see a strong reason to move away from Outlook. I do use FireFox however, miles better than IE. I might try T-Bird again now that it is 1.0 release.
I think this article has a good analysis.
When I taught anthro class, saying this would always elicit at least few giggles.
Just a figure of speech. Stop breathing heavy.
I like Incredimail.
I use Thunderbird and it works great for me.
I pick up my email with Outlook Express. Never any problems. I sweep six mailboxes regularly with it--POP3 and IMAP.
same here, I use Thunderbird and haven't had a single problem. Much better than Outlook and way better at stopping spam.
An early hominid, first discovered in late nineteenth century, then called "Peking Man" and "Java Man." Given rightful and generally accepted place on human family tree by Lewis Leakey in the fifties. Believed to have used the most primitive stone tools and may have used fire. Expert opinion is divided on when exactly they went extinct but there is some evidence a few remaining colonies may have shared the planet continguously with Homo Neaderthalensis and modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
See what you started?
When I taught anthro class, saying this would always elicit at least few giggles.
If I knew the purile company I was in I would have said "Pithecanthropus" or "Neanderthal" or something else.
So is it worth the trouble to try out these tools and if so where do I go?
Dammit, you'll all use IE like you're supposed to!
It's part of the OS!
And it's secure!
Windows critical STOP @ C000:FFFF
Please upgarde to Windows Secure Server 2005 (TM)
Brian Valentine, Chief BS Architect, Redmond.
Second that. T-Bird Rocks. It's not been a problem. And if you need a wizard to move an address book, Nuf said.
Yeah I know... me and my Beavis and Butthead moment :O)
I've used T-bird for several months and have installed it for friends. It easily imports e-mail addresses etc. from Outlook or even lesser known mail progrms like Poco-mail. The spam filter is very effective and it works simply and effectively. Go for it.
Clearly you are much deeper thinking than I am! LOL
I'm using firefox and thunderbird. firefox is great, thunderbird is really, really slow. But I'm on an old laptop with nt. But they both work. I'm willing to give them time.
KMail lets me pipe incoming mail through spamassassin and clamav. Thunderbird does not.
My son uses Thunderbird in linux on the same machine in his own user account as he is less concerned about spam and gets less of it so the standard Bayesian filter used by thunderbird is sufficient for his purposes.
My isp uses a Bayesian filter at the server but teaching it requires that I access the server using webmail to reset false "Junk" or "not Junk" allocations. So both my son and I have disabled it for out accounts.
We never use Windows to receive mail, most especially we never use Outlook or Outlook Express. Security wise they are swiss cheese.
We also have "public" email addresses and a "private" ones, respectively equivalent to listed and unlisted phone numbers. Most spam comes in on the "public" ones as the spam trollers find it in too many insecure address books. My main problem with the private one is persuading my friends to abstain from putting it into their Outlook or Outlook Express addressbooks.
I don't know - I don't have it.
I have my preferences set to have unvisited links blue, while the visited links change to red.
Despite those settings, the links I visit never change to red.
Could it be a cookie issue?
Sorry, I don't use Windows :-)
Eudora has been giving me fits ever since the SR2 UPGRADE.
I can't send attachments or it crashes--totally crashes. Eudora tech help has eventually ended up saying it's probably because of Norton--and that Norton refuses to work with them etc. That I should get some other firewall/antivirus software that the stafff of which work with Eudora's staff.
I hate Outlook. Thunderbird was the pits but I don't recall why.
Anyway--if anyone has any suggestions for Eudora--would love any help possible.
have been using OFFBYONE browser the last many hours. Seems OK. But in these FR windows--ENTER gets you umpteen lines down the page every time one hits it. One ends up having to use the down arrow to go to the next paragraph after first hitting enter once.
And, I can't figure out even with the instructions, how to change the font to arial.
Thunder Bird is great, as good a email client as Firefox is browser. I don't think it gets the same amout of promotion by word of mouth.
Have you tried re-setting your preferences to use a different typeface?
I use it simply because it was free it came with Firefox. It's okay, nothing bad, in my experience. The junk mail filter is a plus.
Lately I purchased a new laptop, and thought I would take the opportunity to upgrade to the "best" email client (I had been using Eudora).
I tried all the main email programs mentioned above (and some others), but only came to appreciate Eudora that much more. In my mind Eudora was hands down the best for the following reasons:
You just can't go wrong with Eudora, even with the little ad that you quickly learn to ignore.
Thunder bird looks nice, but Outlook still is a better program.
Geez, I wish I understood any of this, IE is where I click to get to FRee Republic, beyond that ????????
Switch to astronomy and you could have Homo Erectus on Uranus.
I use outlook express when I remember to check my email now I haven't for about a week and I'm afraid.AVG scans each and every email for viruses but it takes forever and a day to do it.I know I'll start up my other PC and open outlook and forget about it for awhile.Ah the joys of having multiple PCs.
I had problems with Firefox graphics (still do) but most of the problems cleared up when I changed to a new user profile. Try that and see if your colors change the way you want (mine do).
IE is your "Browser" and it has a lot of security flaws 45 to date. So far, other browsers don't have the security problems and in the opinion of many people just about any other browser is better that IE....Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox etc.
Go to their web sites and down load one if you want it and then ignore IE.
803 and counting,I see full auto wholesale deletiing in my futer.
I had the History preference for remembering web pages visited set at 0 days.
I increased it to 2 days, and now visited FR links change color as expected.
First, let me qualify my remarks by saying that I'm not in any way an html or internet expert. At all. But...
1. If I click on a link in fr (like latest articles), then click the back button, the link does change color (light blue to light purple, kinda hard to see).
2. At other sites, different results. Like google home page do the same thing and same color.
In summation - don't know. Don't know why, don't know how.
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