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In custody, Aziz ready to name names
MSNBC ^ | 12/17/04 | Lisa Myers

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:14:15 PM PST by Valin

Saddam’s foreign minister may finger U.N. officials in oil-for-food scandal

Former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz was the sophisticated, intelligent face of a thuggish regime. He was known for his elegant English suits and a fondness for Cuban cigars.

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David Kay — a former U.S. adviser in Iraq — spent months questioning Aziz and others. He says Aziz quickly turned on Saddam and could testify at any trial.

"He talks about direct orders to murder, to assassinate, to kill," says Kay.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; axisofweasels; elbaradei; iaea; iraq; iraqijustice; neoeunazis; oilforfood; religionofpeace; tariqaziz; wot
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1 posted on 12/18/2004 5:14:15 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin

Oh Goodie!


2 posted on 12/18/2004 5:14:56 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Valin

why haven't any of these captives offered to give information about the WMD - where it was moved to, or buried, or who moved it - when they know this is the #1 piece of information we would be willing to deal for.

and to bring up a name from the past - where the hell is Al Douri? we never caught that SOB.


3 posted on 12/18/2004 5:16:43 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Valin

I can't wait to see him on the stand at Saddam's trial. Especially when the prosecutor asks him to point out the defendant and he points right at Saddam.


4 posted on 12/18/2004 5:18:37 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: oceanview

Al Douri--right. That's the one I want caught.


5 posted on 12/18/2004 5:19:46 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Valin

Dazize is still alive? I thought he died months ago.


6 posted on 12/18/2004 5:20:32 PM PST by silent_jonny (It's CHRISTmas, not Xmas!!!)
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To: Valin

Please please let him say Kofi Annan and Jacques Chirac!


7 posted on 12/18/2004 5:20:58 PM PST by William of Orange (Does anybody know what time it is? Time to bomb Saddam!)
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To: Valin

Except, Azziz is such a notroius liar that even Bill Clinton uses him for mendacity counseling.


8 posted on 12/18/2004 5:21:06 PM PST by Tacis (Kerry - You Can't Make A Silk Purse Out Of A Lazy, Lying, Elitist Scumbag!)
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To: Valin
Aziz is a Christian so he knows there aren't 72 virgins waiting for him in Mooselimb heaven.

He'll flip like a pancake. Have the fork and syrup ready.....it's going to be a sweet ride.

Leni

9 posted on 12/18/2004 5:21:48 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mainepatsfan

Well after we wring everybit of info from him, I still say he should sit in prision the rest of his life.

This guy could have turned turtle any time over 20 years but chose to take the money and watch people die without giving a rip.

Now the Vatican is comeing to his aid. What's up with that?


10 posted on 12/18/2004 5:22:07 PM PST by konaice
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To: oceanview
why haven't any of these captives offered to give information about the WMD

perhaps they never knew about them (no that's not being naive), Saddam wasn't the kind of guy who would share "credit"
11 posted on 12/18/2004 5:23:15 PM PST by William of Orange (Does anybody know what time it is? Time to bomb Saddam!)
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To: konaice

The Vatican helped a lot of Nazi war criminals escape justice as well.


12 posted on 12/18/2004 5:23:59 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Valin

If I recall correctly, Aziz was the only Christian in Saddam's circle of advisors. I believe this news will put him in certain danger.


13 posted on 12/18/2004 5:25:41 PM PST by olddemocrat
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To: oceanview
Those that knew where the WMD were are DEAD, dead as door nails! SadDEMON had them excuted after they buried the loot! He ain't no dummy!
14 posted on 12/18/2004 5:27:40 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Valin
I always liked Aziz. Dapper guy.

Wouldn't be surprised if they made sure he was heavily compensated for evidence of WMD.

15 posted on 12/18/2004 5:27:45 PM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: Snapple

I don't recall ever even hearing a solid rumor about Al Douri - its like he just dissappeared.


16 posted on 12/18/2004 5:28:09 PM PST by oceanview
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To: silent_jonny

I killed him a bunch of times in Conflict Desert Storm.


17 posted on 12/18/2004 5:29:36 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: RoseofTexas
OOoops...excuted should read executed!! :)
18 posted on 12/18/2004 5:29:36 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: konaice

Well after we wring everybit of info from him, I still say he should sit in prision the rest of his life.

I disagree! I think he should be released...into the loving arms of the Iraqi people.


19 posted on 12/18/2004 5:29:49 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

BTTT!!


20 posted on 12/18/2004 5:30:28 PM PST by The Mayor (We are saved not by what we do but by trusting what Christ has done.)
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To: DCPatriot

his life is a fair trade. otherwise, he's executed with the rest.

what they really need to do, is execute a couple of guys like Chemical Ali - fast. to set the tone, and scare some of the others into realizing that the game is up.


21 posted on 12/18/2004 5:31:37 PM PST by oceanview
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To: chudogg
I killed him a bunch of times in Conflict Desert Storm.

Gag--one of the WORST games I've ever played.

22 posted on 12/18/2004 5:31:40 PM PST by silent_jonny (It's CHRISTmas, not Xmas!!!)
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To: RoseofTexas

if its buried, somebody has the GPS coordinates.


23 posted on 12/18/2004 5:32:57 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Public trials and executions will certainly piss off the insurgency.


24 posted on 12/18/2004 5:33:22 PM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: Snapple

Iraq fugitive in and out of Syria
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041216-053251-7095r.htm

One of the top fugitives from the Saddam Hussein regime is believed to be traveling back and forth from Iraq to Syria, according to a U.S. general.

Gen. George Casey, commander of U.S. and multinational forces in Iraq, said the Syrian government is allowing high-level Baath Party members to hide in the country, and they are supporting the insurgency. They call themselves the "New Regional Command," said Casey.
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"I do not see direct Syrian government involvement in that facilitation, but it is coming through Syria. And I do believe that they have the capability to stop it if they had the will to stop it," he said.

Chief among the Baathists is Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Casey said. He is No. 6 on the U.S. most-wanted list in Iraq and there is a $10 million bounty on his head.

"He's a back-and-forther," Casey said.

Al-Douri was the head of the Baath Party ruling council when Saddam seized power in 1979 and rose to become his right-hand man, escaping multiple deadly purges of the leadership. Shiite witnesses blame al-Douri for the killings of at least 170 Shiite prisoners.....


25 posted on 12/18/2004 5:36:02 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: oceanview

An American general said this week that he is in Syria and commutes to Iraq. Directs the insurgency and supplies the funds.


26 posted on 12/18/2004 5:36:13 PM PST by yeetch! (Happy Holidays!)
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To: yeetch!

he "commutes" to iraq, and we can't intercept this guy?


27 posted on 12/18/2004 5:41:36 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Valin

Singing like a canary!
28 posted on 12/18/2004 5:47:16 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: oceanview

Al Douri used to go to Austria all the time to be treated for Leukemia. Did he recover?


29 posted on 12/18/2004 5:48:10 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Valin

BTTT


30 posted on 12/18/2004 5:58:01 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Snapple
Did he recover?

I read he needs periodic transfusions to stay alive.

31 posted on 12/18/2004 5:58:30 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Valin



32 posted on 12/18/2004 6:00:16 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: Bon mots
A very scrawney Ugly canary!
33 posted on 12/18/2004 6:04:32 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

This AZIZ guy better be real careful....he could be Dead Man Walking.


34 posted on 12/18/2004 6:30:28 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Valin

Needs to be on "suicide" watch.


35 posted on 12/18/2004 6:35:49 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: DCPatriot

Aziz was bested only by Bagdad Bob as the bigest liar in Sadams regime.


36 posted on 12/18/2004 6:37:39 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: oceanview
and to bring up a name from the past - where the hell is Al Douri? we never caught that SOB.

In Syria with his sons and is a prime paymaster (using Saddam's Syrian bank accounts) of the Iraq terrorists

37 posted on 12/18/2004 6:41:13 PM PST by dennisw (Help put the "Ch" back in Chanukah)
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To: silent_jonny
Gag--one of the WORST games I've ever played.

LOL, whats the matter? You didn't like the respawning of wave upon wave of Iraqis on every mission?

38 posted on 12/18/2004 6:55:06 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: chudogg

That, and terrible graphics.


39 posted on 12/18/2004 6:58:00 PM PST by silent_jonny (It's CHRISTmas, not Xmas!!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Maybe he was never really sick and the trips to the clinic in Austria were a cover for other activities.


40 posted on 12/18/2004 7:29:55 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

It may be that other activities were conducted while he traveled, in fact, they probably where, but he was and is a leukemia patient.


41 posted on 12/18/2004 7:48:50 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: DCPatriot
"I always liked Aziz. Dapper guy."

I think it's the huge black frame eye glasses. He has kind of a retro Michael Caine "Alfie" thing going on there.

42 posted on 12/18/2004 8:16:57 PM PST by DestroytheDemocrats (My screen name has come true!!!! W whipped the Dems ! Yaaaaaay!!!)
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To: oceanview
where the hell is Al Douri?

Absolutely, how hard can it be to catch a redhead with freckles in Iraq?

43 posted on 12/18/2004 8:19:19 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: mainepatsfan

You can cite some proof of that, right?


44 posted on 12/18/2004 8:22:50 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: oceanview

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/al-douri.htm

Izzat [Ezzet] Ibrahim al-Douri, former vice president of Saddam's revolutionary council, is believed to be behind some attacks against coalition forces and Iraqis. He is the "King of Clubs" No. 6 on the coalition's most-wanted list. Following the capture of Saddam Hussein he became the most wanted man in Iraq.

On 23 June 2004 Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz in an interview on MSNBC Hardball said " ... it's not insurgency. An insurgency implies something that rose up afterwards. This is the same enemy that butchered Iraqis for 35 years, that fought us up until the fall of Baghdad and continues to fight afterwards. It was led by Saddam Hussein up until his capture in December. It's been led, in part, by his No. 2 or 3, Izzat Ibrahim al Douri, since then."

Jaysh Muhammad (JM) is an anti-Coalition group with both politically motivated and religiously motivated elements. The politically motivated members are Ba’athist, pro-Saddam elements who tend to be of the Sufi religious soca. The Sufi enjoyed special status during the Baath Regime and hold Izzat al-Duri, the ex-vice-president, in exceptionally high esteem. They were members of intelligence, security, and police forces from the previous regime.

The red-haired Ibrahim was born in 1942 near Tikrit. Coming from the same clan area as Saddam, he had no independent power base, and posed no threat to Saddam. Saddam and Ibrahim were among the leading plotters of the 1968 coup which returned the Baath party to power. His daughter was briefly married to Uday Hussein al-Tikriti, a son of President Saddam Hussein.

He was Vice-Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) and Northern Region Commander. He also served as Deputy Secretary General of the Ba’th Party Regional Command and Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces. After the 1991 Gulf War, he was frequently sent abroad to represent Iraqi interests.

He had a well-deserved and well-known reputation as a killer. As Vice-Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, he was complicit in launching two wars of aggression against Iran and Kuwait, invading Saudi Arabia and attacking the town of Khafji in January 1991. He was involved in the brutal repression of the Uprising which followed the Gulf War in 1991 including mass executions, torture and wanton destruction. He was complicit in the deliberate destruction of the Marsh Arabs' way of life. He was also complicit in the genocidal Anfal campaigns waged against the Kurds, including chemical weapons attacks, the destruction of rural villages and infrastructure, and mass executions.

In 1993 the regime embarked on the Return to Faith Campaign (al-Hamlah al-Imaniyyah), under the direction of Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri. The Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs monitored places of worship, appointed the clergy, approved the building and repair of all places of worship, and approved the publication of all religious literature. The Imam (Faith) Campaign allowed Sunni mosques more freedom in practicing religious ceremonies and rites, which reduced substantially the opposition to the regime amongst Sunni Islamists. Forces from the Intelligence Service (Mukhabarat), General Security (Amn al-Amm), the Military Bureau, Saddam's Commandos (Fedayeen Saddam), and the Ba'ath Party killed senior Shi'a clerics, desecrated Shi'a mosques and holy sites (particularly in the aftermath of the 1991 civil uprising), arrested tens of thousands of Shi'a, interfered with Shi'a religious education, prevented Shi'a adherents from performing their religious rites, and fired upon or arrested Shi'a who sought to take part in their religious processions. Security agents were reportedly stationed at all the major Shi'a mosques and shrines and searched, harassed, and arbitrarily arrested worshipers.

On 22 November 1998 Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri escaped an assassination attempt when visiting Karbala.

Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri is believed to have been very ill for some years. There are contradictions about his health, and there are some reports that he's trying to put out false information purposely. It is said that he suffers from leukemia and undergoes blood transfusions every six months for treatment. In 1999 he visited Vienna Austria for treatment of leukemia. The Austrian opposition demanded that he be arrested for war crimes, but the government allowed him to leave the country.

In March 2003 he commanded military forces in the north of Iraq during the U.S. invasion last year.

On 05 September 2003 it was reported that Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri had been captured in the town of Tikrit. However, within hours, the US-led coalition denied they had him in custody. The error was particularly embarrassing because Iraqi officials had chosen to break the news to al-Hurra, the new US-funded satellite channel which was intended to bring reliable and credible news to the Arab world.

Anonymous US Government officials claimed in October 2003 that captured members of Ansar al-Islam had said that Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri was helping to coordinate their attacks on US occupation forces.

In November 2003 the Coalition launched a public information campaign across Iraq to promote a $10 million reward for information that will lead to his capture or killing al-Douri. On 29 November 2003 the wife and daughter of Izzat Ibrahim al- Douri were arrested in Samarra. The US military detained some of his family members and the son of his doctor in an attempt to pressure him to surrender.

On 16 December 2003 there was a report on Al-Arabiyya Television based in Dubai that Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, may have surrendered. This reported turned out to be incorrect.

In the northeast zone of operations, a cordon-and-search operation on 04 January 2004 in Mosul led to the capture of an associate of Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri and 11 other personnel. Upon leaving the area, the unit was attacked by six personnel, but the coalition unit, while returning fire, broke contact in order to safeguard the lives of the detainees. Iraq's Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator Paul Bremer said 07 January 2004 that a reward of $10 million will be given for information leading to the capture of -- or confirmation regarding the death of -- Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri. Searching two locations near Hawija during the morning of 13 January 2004, 173rd Airborne Brigade soldiers captured 10 people for conducting anti-Coalition activities. Four of the individuals, captured in cordon-and-knock operations in Mosul, 2 kilometers north of Hawija, were targeted in order to prevent them from interfering with future Coalition operations. A person believed to be a money courier for Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri and three others were captured in a raid conducted by 173rd Airborne Brigade soldiers in Kirkuk in the early morning of 13 January 2004. The four brothers [al-Douri's nephews] were captured without incident.

On 07 March 2004, members of 4th Platoon, Charlie Troop, 1-4 CAV conducted Charlie Troop’s first raid to detain three personnel with connections to High Value Target #6 Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri. All three were detained at their three different locations without incident and turned them over for interrogation.

On 05 September 2004 a man who resembled Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri was arrested in Tikrit. Iraqi Minister of State Wael Abdul al-Latif said it was "75 to 90 per cent certain" the captured man was al-Douri. Some 70 of the man's supporters were killed and 80 captured when they tried to prevent his arrest. Iraqi officials said the arrest operation began when Mr. al-Douri was receiving medical treatment at a clinic in Tikrit, and that he may suffer from leukemia. Celebratory gunfire erupted in the streets of the Iraqi capital Baghdad as word of his arrest was spread. Blood tests were conducted to confirm his identity. The DNA tests performed to determine the identity of the captive indicated that not actually al-Douri. Iraq's Defense minister dismissed as "baseless" reports that Iraqi forces have captured one of the most wanted members of Saddam Hussein's ousted dictatorship. In an interview Hazem Shaalan said the defense ministry has "no information" regarding the alleged arrest of Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri.




45 posted on 12/18/2004 8:23:40 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

It wasn't an official Vatican policy but a lot of these criminals showed up in Argentina with visas from guess where? Unfortunately some Vatican officials were willing to give these guys get out of jail free cards. It was a slap in the face to the Catholic clergy who stood up to the Nazis. Many of whom died in concentration camps for their bravery.


46 posted on 12/19/2004 5:12:03 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Bon mots
Your # 28 - too bad Peter Sellers isn't around to play Aziz in "The Return of the Pink Ambassador".

With a little makeup adjustment, striking resemblence.

Leni

47 posted on 12/19/2004 5:44:13 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: wagglebee
Absolutely, how hard can it be to catch a redhead with freckles in Iraq?

Might be a wee bit difficult if he's hiding out in Syria, which was the scuttlebutt last I heard :)

48 posted on 12/19/2004 5:46:32 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks for this.


49 posted on 12/19/2004 6:19:09 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: MinuteGal

50 posted on 12/19/2004 6:39:32 AM PST by Bon mots
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