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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: js1138

Christian Science is a cult. Is there some specific reason you guys are drawn to the cults for support?


742 posted on 12/20/2004 7:04:50 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: BJungNan
We know some of what takes place, but we don't know how. Happy to hear how I am wrong on this.

Perhaps you didn't know that when people refer to "capillary action," that said action is understood in terms of molecular attractions between water molecules which are themselves understood as electrochemical attractions between atoms which are themselves analyzed in terms of quantum mechanics, subatomic particles, etc. There is a leading edge of physics beyond which is a vast unknown, but the area you are insisting is a mystery ain't it. You are bludgeoning with your own willful ignorance. Again, the problem I have with creationism is not that you are doing it wrong but that you are doing it right.

Yes, I realize I'm not supposed to know you're a creationist. I haven't admitted being an evolutionist, either. I'll remove the mystery and announce it now. I have become an evolutionist. The creationists drove me to it last week.

743 posted on 12/20/2004 7:05:43 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: BJungNan
Yea, well tell that to my biology professor in college. As he put it, after you study the science of biology if you still believe there is not a god then you have far more faith than I do.

If he thinks anyone learns anything by fighting tooth and nail against the accumulated scientific experience of mankind to date, then he has more faith than I do.

744 posted on 12/20/2004 7:07:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
How muddled do we make the curriculum ...

The only fair way is to give half the class time to science, and for the other half, the teacher sits there and shouts: "Hallelujah! It's a miracle!" over and over until the bell rings and the class ends.

745 posted on 12/20/2004 7:08:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: WildTurkey
Still evading, I see.

No just ignoring you. I have a pet aversion to anklebiters.

746 posted on 12/20/2004 7:08:13 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Just mythoughts
[Just mythoughts:] This does not answer the question of "when were the souls created"?

[Ichneumon:] "Define "soul" as you are using it in this question, and I'll take a stab at it."

[Just mythoughts:] Hebrew word nephesh -soul- life as used "breath of life".

Ooookay... Could you be a bit more specific? This is so vague that it could mean any of the following (or something else entirely:

1. Oxygen metabolism.

2. Air-breathing.

3. "Vital principle".

4. Consciousness.

5. Self-awareness.

6. A form of "self" which allegedly persists after death of the body.

[they are completely obsessed with their flesh.]
"Do you actually believe this nonsense? Clue: If I were "completely obsessed with my flesh", why would I spend time posting on these threads, for example?"
[I have yet to read one offering by an self identified E describing the E's theory of the soul.]

Nonetheless, your failure to discover such discussions is hardly support for your insulting claim that evolutionists "are completely obsessed with their flesh".

747 posted on 12/20/2004 7:09:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
The only fair way is to give half the class time to science, and for the other half, the teacher sits there and shouts: "Hallelujah! It's a miracle!" over and over until the bell rings and the class ends.

Wait! You forgot he has to shout out the names of the various gods that he attributes each miracle to as well.

Zeus! Vishnu! Great Green Arkleseizure! BooBoo!

748 posted on 12/20/2004 7:10:07 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: Wallace T.

Wallace, they're a cult. They are categorized as a cult by no less than Dr. Walter Martin. They have been so categorized for a good many years. So, you don't have to explain that to them, I would think if they are honest, they already know it and are just hoping to color the argument by quoting cultists and pretending they're christians.


749 posted on 12/20/2004 7:10:57 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: balrog666
You forgot he has to shout out the names of the various gods that he attributes each miracle to as well. Zeus! Vishnu! Great Green Arkleseizure! BooBoo!

Yes. Let the children decide. It's the ID way.

750 posted on 12/20/2004 7:12:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: VadeRetro
Perhaps you didn't know that when people refer to "capillary action," that said action is understood in terms of molecular attractions between water molecules which are themselves understood as electrochemical attractions between atoms which are themselves analyzed in terms of quantum mechanics, subatomic particles, etc.

Accuracy alert! There's attraction between the water molecules and the molecules of the sides of the capillary tube, said attraction being the original source of the lift. But adjacent molecules are pulled along by their attraction to those water molecules attracted to the sides. And so proceed.

751 posted on 12/20/2004 7:16:14 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: Junior

Way OT...love your tagline.


752 posted on 12/20/2004 7:19:25 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Share and Enjoy!)
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To: Havoc
[As a Catholic, I don't feel obliged to believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago.]
As a Christian, I do feel obliged. And for some fairly obvious reasons.

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me!

This is the differnece between Christianity and those who model themselves after it - including many protestant sects. Those who are just playing religion, have no grounding, no understanding of authority for their beliefs and thusly don't understand or care about the impact of undermining said authority. The only authority to them is their clergy and feelings - that is cultic - not Christian.

...this coming from the guy who wrote a little later in this thread...:

Were "blacks" or "African-Americans" substituted for "fundamentalists" or "creationists," their rantings would be seen for what they are: bigotry. They would likley be banned from posting. Dr. Stochastic, Vade Retro, RightWingNilla, Central Scrutinizer, Dimensio, bert, and Junior are bigots.

753 posted on 12/20/2004 7:24:27 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: js1138
Tell me, is a Christian a Christian because you say so, or some council or authority says so, or because he says he believes in Christ?

There are multiple points of authority on this question, not the least of which is the Bible - which defines who and what Christians are. The cults have their own philosophies which they follow and they dab that in Christian imagery for their own twisted purposes - chief of which is to mislead people. Not unlike evolutionists - ya'll just don't try to pawn yourselves off as Christians - you just try to excuse your belief system by saying "well some christians believe it too".

754 posted on 12/20/2004 7:25:00 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: VadeRetro

Your tagline is not unlike your theory of the big bang. Nothing compressed and spun and blew up into a whole bunch of something and for some reason, none of the nothing or the new something had any clues about the laws of how something must act.

Has a good schizophrenic sound to it.


755 posted on 12/20/2004 7:27:46 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
My tagline didn't really need another illustration from you, but what's one more?
756 posted on 12/20/2004 7:29:47 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: Ichneumon

You might check your citation.


757 posted on 12/20/2004 7:31:52 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: VadeRetro

Or perhaps the creationists just don't see why such postings keep their postings from rising to the level of meaning.


758 posted on 12/20/2004 7:32:03 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro

What, you want to tell us that wasn't accurate. I mean, I think I've got one better than that from your own ranks in the community as published in a major magazine. Point being, ya'll just don't like it when the absurdity of your positions is either exposed blatently or enhanced for comic value. Essentially that is the belief - Nothing was all gathered together into a highly concentrated near infinatesimal region which was spinning and suddenly exploded into something.

I mean even with the enhancements for humor removed, It's still hilarious. You have no sense of humor.


759 posted on 12/20/2004 7:37:13 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: js1138
Isn't redood the past tense of mulligan?
760 posted on 12/20/2004 7:40:53 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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