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Kansas Woman Said to Show Off Stolen Baby (Woah...) Stolen Baby Reunited with Father
Yahoo News ^ | 12/18/04 | JOHN MILBURN

Posted on 12/18/2004 8:12:56 PM PST by Libloather

Kan. Woman Said to Show Off Stolen Baby
24 minutes ago
By JOHN MILBURN, Associated Press Writer

MELVERN, Kan. - A woman charged with killing an expectant mother and cutting the baby from her womb was showing the child off to people at a cafe and to her pastor hours before she was arrested, residents said Saturday.

Lisa M. Montgomery, 36, was charged Friday with kidnapping resulting in murder and was expected to appear in federal court Monday. The baby, whose mother had been eight months pregnant, was in good condition.

Hours before her arrest, Montgomery and her husband showed off a newborn girl at a restaurant, said Kathy Sage, owner of the Whistle Stop Cafe in Melvern, a small eastern Kansas town.

Many customers were surprised to hear the infant was only a day old, Sage said. She knew an Amber Alert had been issued for a baby missing from Missouri but did not realize the infant the Montgomerys carried was connected until hearing from a reporter on Friday.

"You read about this stuff," she said. "It blows you away when it's here. This stuff is supposed to be in New York City or Los Angeles."

Montgomery was arrested later in the death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, who was found Thursday in a pool of blood inside her small white home in the northwest Missouri town of Skidmore.

Montgomery's husband, Kevin, has not been charged in the case.

Authorities said Lisa Montgomery contacted Stinnett through an online message board, and investigators zeroed in on her using computer forensics. Montgomery was seeking to buy a dog from Stinnett, who raised rat terriers.

While Montgomerys ate breakfast, another customer showed the baby off around the cafe. After eating, they took the girl to visit their pastor.

"It was a beautiful baby," Mike Wheatley said. "Absolutely beautiful."

Wheatley and his wife commented that the baby, whom the couple called Abigail, did not look like a newborn because her head was not misshapen from passing through the birth canal, a common result of childbirth that soon goes away. The only marks she had were a small scratch on her head and a slight bruise on her hand.

The pastor had not seen the couple since October, and everyone in the congregation expected her to give birth around Dec. 12.

U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said Lisa Montgomery contacted Stinnett through an online message board after seeing a Web site about the rat terriers Stinnett bred and raised. The site included a picture of Stinnett, showing she was pregnant.

Investigators searched Stinnett's computer and found the victim had been communicating through the message board with someone claiming to be a Darlene Fischer who lived north of Fairfax, Mo.

Authorities, helped by a North Carolina dog breeder who was familiar with the message board, determined the communication from Fischer actually came from Montgomery's house.

The Montgomerys were taken in for questioning Friday, and Lisa Montgomery was charged. Investigators said she confessed to the crimes.

Officials said Montgomery had not hired an attorney. Messages left by The Associated Press at the home of Kevin Montgomery's parents went unreturned Saturday.

Jeff Lanza, an FBI spokesman in Kansas City, Mo., declined to discuss motives and said the investigation was ongoing.

He would say only that Montgomery was being held in Kansas and was expected to make her first appearance in federal court Monday, though authorities did not know whether it would be in Missouri or Kansas.

The baby's father and several other family members saw the infant, named Victoria Jo, for the first time Friday night at Stormont-Vail Regional Health Center in Topeka.

The infant was in an intensive care unit. Hospital officials said she was responding normally for a baby taken from the womb one month premature.

"She's doing well," hospital spokeswoman Carol Wheeler said.

The family was not speaking to reporters, but Victoria Jo's father, Zeb Stinnett, issued a brief statement calling her "a miracle."

"I want to thank family, friends, Amber Alert and law enforcement officials for their support during this time," he said.

Montgomery is the mother of two high-school-age children. Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey said Saturday that Montgomery had told people she was pregnant with twins, though investigators were still trying to determine if that was true.

"She told people she was pregnant and had a miscarriage and lost one of the twins," Espey said. "We're thinking she never was pregnant."

According to court documents, Montgomery traveled to Topeka, about 30 miles north of Melvern, on Thursday to go shopping. She called her husband from there, saying she had gone into labor and given birth.

Kevin Montgomery and the couple's two children met Lisa and the newborn in the parking lot of a fast-food restaurant in Topeka and drove home, according to an affidavit.

The arrest stunned many townspeople who apparently had believed for months that Lisa Montgomery was pregnant.

How "could you not know that your wife's not pregnant?" said Gary Deskins, owner of a convenience store in Melvern, a community of about 420 residents. "There's something missing."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: baby; bobbiejostinnett; kansas; lisamontgomery; off; said; show; stinnett; stolen; woman
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1 posted on 12/18/2004 8:12:56 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I thought it was a stolen "fetus" what news have you been watching?


2 posted on 12/18/2004 8:14:00 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Libloather

"The pastor had not seen the couple since October, and everyone in the congregation expected her to give birth around Dec. 12."

Well, there's the angle the liberal media will dig into because to them she had to be a wild-eyed raving "Christian Fundamentalist" or some such.


3 posted on 12/18/2004 8:22:28 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: Libloather

Layer upon layer of weirdness. Unnngh.


4 posted on 12/18/2004 8:25:00 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: Libloather

What happened to "Mass of flesh"?


5 posted on 12/18/2004 8:27:56 PM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: Libloather
She called her husband, said "I've just given birth, meet me in a parking lot of a fast food restaurant"??

This is a very strange story. But I suppose that's an understatement.

6 posted on 12/18/2004 8:29:48 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: All

A North Carolina dog breeder helped solve the case? Great!


7 posted on 12/18/2004 8:30:46 PM PST by TaxRelief (Merry Christmas!)
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To: KoRn
...what news have you been watching?

Rather Dan. Think it's fake? Me too...

8 posted on 12/18/2004 8:34:06 PM PST by Libloather (Big Media news anchors are as worthless as male nipples...)
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To: KoRn
I am against the Islamic practice of stoning women to death but for this filthy pig whore I'll make an exception.She cut her innocent victim up like she was a slab of meat just so she could take something that didn't belong to her.This case and others like it call for the most brutal forms of death as punishment.It's too bad for her that her face was a lifelong form of birth control,it didn't give her the right to kill this poor young lady.
9 posted on 12/18/2004 8:42:13 PM PST by rdcorso (Did I mention I was in Vietnam where I lost my backbone? Spineless John)
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To: Libloather

Is it just me or am I the only one that thinks the term "stolen baby" is not quite harsh enough to describe this situation. How about "Baby that was ripped out of the uterus of her innocent mother after she was murdered in cold blood by a monster of a woman". Nope, still not harsh enough.


10 posted on 12/18/2004 8:42:21 PM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: Libloather

Someone needs to post this story if it hasn't already been posted. It's an interview with a guy who claims he knew both Stinnet and Mongomery, and that the 2 women knew each other, competed in dog shows against each other, and more.

http://www.maryvilledailyforum.com/articles/2004/12/18/news/news2.txt

According to Google, the Maryville daily forum posted it 10 hours ago.


11 posted on 12/18/2004 8:45:20 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: rdcorso
Yeah, I'm afraid there is nothing in our justice system that is adequate enough for this 'person' who did this. We can only imagine.....
12 posted on 12/18/2004 8:47:38 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Bigjimslade
Is it just me or am I the only one that thinks the term "stolen baby" is not quite harsh enough to describe this situation. How about "Baby that was ripped out of the uterus of her innocent mother after she was murdered in cold blood by a monster of a woman". Nope, still not harsh enough.


NO! You are not the only one. I cried when I heard about this. To just say "stolen baby" does not begin to describe the absolute depravity of this act. I HOPE THIS PEOPLE FRY! Thank goodness the baby survived. That's the only good thing. The little girl lived. Oh, the poor mother.

13 posted on 12/18/2004 8:48:43 PM PST by freeparella ("...You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ.)
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To: Nita Nupress; Libloather
Chillingly, the man said Montgomery had posted a week ago on the Internet site that "she was going to have her baby on Thursday," the day of the murder. He believes this indicates a certain level of premeditation.

Lisa Montgomery to wed Scott Peterson in hell--breaking.

14 posted on 12/18/2004 8:51:14 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Bigjimslade
Nope, still not harsh enough.


15 posted on 12/18/2004 8:52:45 PM PST by Libloather (Big Media news anchors are as worthless as male nipples...)
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To: PhilDragoo
No kidding. This just keeps getting worse and worse, doesn't it?

Kudos to this website that got the interview with this dog breeder/website host guy who knew both the women. Time will tell if it's all accurate, I suppose.

http://www.maryvilledailyforum.com/articles/2004/12/18/news/news2.txt

Friend of alleged killer, victim speaks to Forum
By MATT KELSEY

Forum Managing Editor

A man who was friends with both Bobbie Jo Stinnett and her alleged killer says Stinnett was a kind and gentle person and Lisa Montgomery was not to be trusted.

The man agreed to speak exclusively to the Forum on condition of anonymity. He is a rat terrier breeder, just like Stinnett and Montgomery, and spoke frequently to both of them over the Internet.

Montgomery is charged with killing Stinnett and cutting open her womb to steal the eight-month-old fetus.

"I host an internet community online about rat terrier breeding," the man said, "and I met them both through that a couple years ago.

The man said the people who chatted through the Web site frequently would often share personal information without thinking of any possible consequences.

"Over time, people would say, 'Hey, I'm pregnant,' and they share that personal information," he said.

So the man was not surprised when, several months ago, both Stinnett and Montgomery announced, within a few days of each other, that they were pregnant.

After meeting Montgomery, the man said they often had business relationships breeding their dogs, and on occasion Montgomery would "just lie to my face for no particular reason," he said.

"Lisa, in my dealings with her, was not all there mentally... I just knew she wasn't right. I just kind of steered clear of her."

The man said Montgomery had four or five children with two ex-husbands, but had a strong desire to have another child with her current husband.

"She had really wanted a baby really bad," the man said.

Although he did not trust Montgomery, the man said Stinnett was a different story. He had spoken with her over the Internet two days before the murder.

"She was a person that had no enemies," the man said. "One of the sweetest young ladies I've met."

The man said the two women knew each other well.

"Lisa and Bobbie would go to dog shows together and compete against one another," he said.

Chillingly, the man said Montgomery had posted a week ago on the Internet site that "she was going to have her baby on Thursday," the day of the murder. He believes this indicates a certain level of premeditation.

"I can't even fathom this," the man said, "and for me to know both of them... it just blows my mind."

The man said Stinnett would have been familiar with Montgomery, and would not have hesitated to let her in.

"If Lisa showed up at my house, I'd let her in the door because I know her," the man said.


16 posted on 12/18/2004 8:56:57 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: PhilDragoo; All

BTW, do we know the URL of the Stinnett's website? It's probably been taken down by now anyway.


17 posted on 12/18/2004 8:58:52 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Libloather

http://www.imageevent.com/happyhaven

There's a Bobbie Stinnett here talking about rat terriers. Is this it?


18 posted on 12/18/2004 9:04:12 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
http://www.happyhavenfarms.com/
19 posted on 12/18/2004 9:07:10 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Nita Nupress

http://www.happyhavenfarms.com/


20 posted on 12/18/2004 9:07:29 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

I guess this is either old news or I'm in here just talking to myself.

People are signing the guestbook at their website. Scroll down to the bottom of this page:
http://imageevent.com/happyhaven/otherpets


21 posted on 12/18/2004 9:12:32 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: PhilDragoo

Ah, thank you. I was beginning to think everyone had gone to bed already. :-)


22 posted on 12/18/2004 9:13:43 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

wow


23 posted on 12/18/2004 9:20:36 PM PST by woofie
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To: Libloather

A ghoul!


24 posted on 12/18/2004 9:21:59 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Bullish; woofie; Libloather; PhilDragoo; All

This has surely already been posted here by now, but in case it hasn't, here are some photos of Bobbie Stinnett at a recent dog show (one month ago). She's the one in the pink sweater or the white blouse (depending on which set of pics you're looking at).

http://imageevent.com/ramirezratz/ourukcshows/kateandbobbiesnorman1104photos;jsessionid=6t1fh09ru1.buffalo_s


25 posted on 12/18/2004 11:18:29 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: All

Also, I'm wondering if pic #41 is the Montgomery lady. It sort of looks like her to me. She's the one named "Nancy" with the white dog named "Booker."

http://imageevent.com/ramirezratz/ourukcshows/kateandbobbiesnorman1104photos/normanshownovember2004;jsessionid=g0axpp9lj1.zebra_s


26 posted on 12/18/2004 11:22:09 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: TaxRelief; HairOfTheDog

Sick very Sick. A future fore warning for doggie breeders, careful who you share your love of dogs with.


27 posted on 12/18/2004 11:36:48 PM PST by oceanperch (Tagline on Christmas Vacation National Lampoon Style!)
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To: fivekid; fiesti; blondee123; MEG33; Howlin; sissyjane
PST NIGHT OWL PING LIST

Let Oceanperch Know if You Want On/Off the List
28 posted on 12/18/2004 11:40:15 PM PST by oceanperch (Tagline on Christmas Vacation National Lampoon Style!)
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To: Libloather

BTTT


29 posted on 12/18/2004 11:41:26 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Libloather

Crucify Her!


30 posted on 12/18/2004 11:41:45 PM PST by oceanperch (Tagline on Christmas Vacation National Lampoon Style!)
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To: Nita Nupress

Link not working, for me anyway.


31 posted on 12/18/2004 11:45:52 PM PST by oceanperch (Tagline on Christmas Vacation National Lampoon Style!)
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To: Nita Nupress

I ended up here while searching for a picture of this EVIL woman! The story is all true. We adopted a Rat Terrier in July from a rescue, and I didn't know anything about the breed. I've been reading the message board there since July, and the board is (mostly)wonderful caring people, and are very close.

The only thing that has not been very clear is, Bobbie did "know" Lisa Montgomery for a long time, but the woman that came to to her house that day WAS Lisa Montgomery, but poor Bobbie was expecting Darlene Fischer (AKA Lisa Montgomery)
This is the post from Lisa "Darlene" making the her plan.

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Message for Happy Haven Farms
Posted by Darlene Fischer on December 15, 2004, 4:22 pm
65.150.168.223

I was recommended to you and have been unable to reach you by either phone or email. Please get in touch with me soon as we are considering the purchase of one of your puppies and would like to ask you a few questions.
Darlene

Posted by Bobbie on December 15, 2004, 7:44 pm, in reply to "Message for Happy Haven Farms"
207.192.230.197

Darlene,
I've emailed you with the directions so we can meet. I do so hope that the email reaches you. Great chatting with you on messenger. And do look forward to chatting with you tomorrow a.m.
Talk to you soon Darlene!
Have a great evening
Bobbie
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I wish I had not seen Lisa's picture, I now feel sicker than I did before. This is beyond belief. There is a fund being set up for Bobbie & Zeb's sweet baby girl, and when I find out more on that I will post it in case any of you would like to help out.

Karen




32 posted on 12/19/2004 12:28:46 AM PST by KMG
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To: Nita Nupress

Some article, this man needs to talk to the police, this is premeditation & she deserves just what Peterson got!!!


33 posted on 12/19/2004 12:57:54 AM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: oceanperch

I can barely stand to hear about this heinous murder..May God be with the family..


34 posted on 12/19/2004 3:23:20 AM PST by MEG33
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To: oceanperch

This whole thing creeps me out BIG-TIME!!

I'm on a few dog "lists", and people share personal information all the time, just like some of us do on this forum.

Let it be a lesson--you never know who you are talking to....


35 posted on 12/19/2004 4:31:28 AM PST by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: KMG

I show dogs, and have many friends that show as well. If someone is familiar with you from that hobby, and poses as someone else on a message board there is no way you could protect yourself. I guess the moral of the story is NEVER let someone you don't know into your house if you are home alone.


36 posted on 12/19/2004 4:44:31 AM PST by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Now there's some justice.


37 posted on 12/19/2004 5:33:49 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Libloather

"How "could you not know that your wife's not pregnant?" said Gary Deskins, owner of a convenience store in Melvern, a community of about 420 residents. "There's something missing."


I agree with this guy. No way this husband could have known that she wasn't pregnant. IF she had been pregnant and miscarried he would have known that also unless she was opnly pregnant for a short while.


38 posted on 12/19/2004 6:09:33 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: Bigjimslade

Nothing could be too harsh. Remember, this mother was still alive when her baby was cut and ripped from her womb. As a mother, I can't even imagine that. I pray that this mother was in shock and it eased the pain of everything that was going on. My prayers are for the mother, her precious child she never got to hold and her grieving family. Lord ease their pain.


39 posted on 12/19/2004 6:15:26 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!)
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To: Bigjimslade

I don't like the way the media is categorizing this crime either. "Kidnapping resulting in murder". To me it should be "First Degree Murder, with concomitant kidnapping". The murder took place first, kidnapping second. Regardless of what her motives are. And there is no doubt in my mind that this should be a death penalty case.


40 posted on 12/19/2004 6:30:22 AM PST by stm
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To: KMG

This is just horrific! Thanks for posting the messages.


41 posted on 12/19/2004 8:57:02 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: KMG
From the article I posted in 16:

Chillingly, the man said Montgomery had posted a week ago on the Internet site that "she was going to have her baby on Thursday," the day of the murder. He believes this indicates a certain level of premeditation.

What website is he talking about?

42 posted on 12/19/2004 8:59:24 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: oceanperch
Sick very Sick. A future fore warning for doggie breeders, careful who you share your love of dogs with.

Or advertise anything for sale, a car, puppies, anything. This could be looked at as a specific warning about relationships on the internet, but I think that is simplistic, and I still think relationships on the internet are no more or less likely to be dangerous than any other place where people meet strangers. We all need to try to be open to that 'spidey sense' that tells us something is wrong, and not deny those instincts.

43 posted on 12/19/2004 9:10:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Nita Nupress

That's her. Apparently she used an alias.


44 posted on 12/19/2004 9:18:01 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: bushfamfan

Take that back. Her alias was Darlene but you're right that it looks just like her.


45 posted on 12/19/2004 9:20:13 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: Libloather
Need legal mind to explain the charge "kidnapping resulting in death".

Why not murder 1, and aggravated assault on a baby, aggravated kidnapping?
46 posted on 12/19/2004 9:28:40 AM PST by G Larry (Admiral James Woolsey as National Intelligence Director)
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To: sissyjane

I agree, there was NO way Bobbie could have known what was going to happen! Not only had she "known" Lisa Montgomery from the message board for a long period of time, Bobbie had also been involved with dog shows with Lisa. This link shows a photo taken of a group of people after one of these dog shows: http://imageevent.com/happyhaven/ukcshows/abilene42004?n=0&z=2&c=4&x=1&m=24&w=0&p=0

Lisa Montgomery is shown 2nd from the left, with Bobbie and husband Zeb on the far right. Even though Lisa contacted Bobbie to come to see her puppy as a "Darlene Fischer" when Bobbie saw her "friend" Lisa at the door (and knowing her for some time in person, as well as the message board) I'm sure she would have opened her front door with open arms to her "friend?" That is what makes this crime so extra horrifying!

As far as I can see, the only thing that would have saved Bobbie from what happened to her would have been a "rule" to never meet a customer alone. But... with all the planning Lisa put into this, and Bobbie "knowing" Lisa, I can't even see where she would have had a chance. Lisa as "herself" had already gained Bobbie's trust... all on her own... and Lisa had no reason to NOT let Lisa into her home!

I am sending a link to a memorial album set up for Bobbie's family for anyone interested in helping the family:
http://imageevent.com/bdoglvg/inmemoryofbobbiestinnett

Sincerely,
Karen Goodale


47 posted on 12/21/2004 3:30:47 AM PST by KMG
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To: stm

I think this is the federal charge. There has to be a way to assume federal jurisdiction and that is through the federal kidnapping statute. The states have jurisdiction over murders within their borders, but the federal government doesn't have such jurisdiction unless there is some nexus to them, like murder of a federal agent, kidnapping across state lines, etc. If the state prosecutes, undoubtedly it will be first degree.


48 posted on 12/21/2004 3:48:06 AM PST by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: G Larry
The "kidnapping resulting in death" charge is just the federal one; it's a convenient way to keep the killer in a dark hole until extradition back to Missouri can be arranged. Since the murder took place in Missouri, there isn't a federal murder charge available. (Murder is not a crime at the federal level except in unusual circumstances, such as murdering a federal agent or committing murder while a federal prisoner.)

There wouldn't be a federal kidnapping charge available either, except Montgomery took the baby across a state line. The distinction between "kidnapping resulting in death" and plain old kidnapping is that the former is a death-penalty crime, even at the federal level, whereas the latter isn't. The feds are keeping their options open in case something goes wrong with the state murder charge in Missouri.

Indeed, the federal charge may be the simplest and quickest way to get this Montgomery person put down like the rabid b**** she is. There's no question the baby was kidnapped; there's no question the kidnapping resulted in a death; there's no question this Montgomery person planned the kidnapping, regardless of whether she wielded the knife. So the federal kidnapping charge is a) open-and-shut and b) sufficient to receive the death penalty.

49 posted on 12/21/2004 4:03:11 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: Centaur

If the Feds try it I doubt they will seek the death penalty. That would be a miscarriage of justice in my layman's opinion


50 posted on 12/21/2004 10:51:28 AM PST by stm
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