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Rep. Maxine Waters Faces New Allegations
NewsMax ^ | 12/19/04 | AP

Posted on 12/19/2004 10:12:34 AM PST by wagglebee

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters' family members earned more than $1 million over the last eight years by doing business with companies, candidates and causes that she helped, according to a newspaper report Sunday.

Waters' daughter and son pocketed fees from campaigns endorsed by the congresswoman's election mailers while her husband worked for a bond underwriting firm seeking government business from her political allies, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Waters, an influential lawmaker who has represented Inglewood, Hawthorne, Gardena and parts of Los Angeles since 1990, declined to answer detailed questions, insisting her family's fortunes were kept apart from her political activities.

"They do their business and I do mine," said Waters, 66. "We are not bad people."

The Waters' close financial ties are not expressly prohibited by state laws or congressional ethics rules.

According to the Times, Waters and her children are linked through a political organization that publishes an election mailer listing campaigns she endorsed. Some candidates are included free of charge, though others pay tens of thousands of dollars.

Of the $1.7 million L.A. Vote collected in the last eight years, nearly $450,000 went to Karen Waters and her consulting firm, public disclosure reports show. About $115,000 was paid to the congresswoman's son.

Karen Waters, 46, said she and her mother kept their business dealings separate. Her son, Edward Waters, 49, a high school basketball coach and political consultant, declined to comment.

Waters' children have also landed consulting work with the mailer's advertisers, including former 1998 gubernatorial candidate Al Checchi and Indian tribes.

Campaign consultants for the tribes, whose interests and ballot measures Waters has consistently backed, said Karen Waters was hired on her merits. "We didn't hire her because of her mom," said consultant Chuck Winner.

Waters' husband, Sidney Williams, has made nearly $500,000 as a consultant to a municipal bond company and lobbying politicians his wife supports, according to public records.

The 62-year-old former professional football linebacker and U.S. ambassador to the Bahamas said Waters complied with public disclosure laws, but declined further comment.

The Times reported that Williams helped the firm win a $40 million school bond sale approved by school board members that paid Waters' mailer operation to advertise her endorsement.

With his assistance, the company also secured a $424 million bond deal to build a prison in Delano after successfully pitching the office of state Treasurer Philip Angelides.

Angelides, who has been regularly listed in Waters' mailers, said in a statement that his decisions are based solely "on the advice of the professional staff."

Bond underwriter Siebert, Brandford & Shank hired Williams for his own connections and not those of his wife, according to Napoleon Brandford III, the firm's chairman and co-owner.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bloodonherhands; communistbitch; corruption; democratscheat; maxinegate; maxinewaters; reginalddenny; spacereservedinhell; stirredupriots; watersgate
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The Waters' close financial ties are not expressly prohibited by state laws or congressional ethics rules.

Well they should be, this crap has gone on way too long in both parties.

1 posted on 12/19/2004 10:12:34 AM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
The impact of disclosures like this on Mz Waters' electability = zip.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

2 posted on 12/19/2004 10:16:16 AM PST by Mike Bates (If you've been very, very good, Santa may give you. . . .)
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To: wagglebee

Water, Jackson, Sharpton = criminals needing IRS/FBI probes.


3 posted on 12/19/2004 10:18:12 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: wagglebee

No doubt this is a CIA plot! /sarcasm


4 posted on 12/19/2004 10:20:46 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: wagglebee
They do their business and I do mine," said Waters, 66. "We are not bad people."

OMG don't tell me the THE Maxine Waters might be enriching herself and her family on the backs of the Public. Nah - Only Jesse Jackson would ever stoop that low. /Sarcasm

5 posted on 12/19/2004 10:21:57 AM PST by drt1
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To: wagglebee

Waters....the crook, criminal...must go...!!!


6 posted on 12/19/2004 10:22:20 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: shield

It will never happen, she's got that job as long as she wants it.


7 posted on 12/19/2004 10:23:19 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

Maxine Waters is and always will be a low-life politician of the nastiest kind - I can't stand looking or listening to her when she gets her mouth running - what is the matter with the citizens of California? I hope she goes the way of her fellow scuzbag congresswoman Carolyn Macarthy(??? - is that right)from a few years ago who was found to be a money grabbing freak with her father.....


8 posted on 12/19/2004 10:23:23 AM PST by Luker
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To: wagglebee

Democrat is as democrat does.


9 posted on 12/19/2004 10:23:25 AM PST by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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To: wagglebee

She'll skate, just like the Clintons and their minions.


10 posted on 12/19/2004 10:25:09 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: wagglebee
Mizz Waters, Feb. 1, 2005:

"These allegations are racist and baseless. I have worked tirelessly to over come the extreme racist attitiudes of the right and I will continue to do so on behalf of the people of Los Angeles and all people of color.

You just know something like this is coming.

11 posted on 12/19/2004 10:29:11 AM PST by capydick ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." --President Dwight Eisenho)
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To: wagglebee

Never forget Albert Jay Nock's dictum that the purpose of government is provide a good living for those who run it. He also added the amount of their labor was minimal to the task.


12 posted on 12/19/2004 10:29:48 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: wagglebee

It is always instructive hearing once again how a banana republic operates.


13 posted on 12/19/2004 10:30:48 AM PST by Gritty ("Europeans need to ally with blue staters/Canadians and draw a cordon bleu around Jesusland -M Steyn)
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To: wagglebee

She would never have done anything so low and it must be a plot by Rove and President Bush to discredit her. She is a credit to the people of California you know and just what they deserve.


14 posted on 12/19/2004 10:31:05 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: wagglebee; All

You do realize a thread such as this about her will be considered as "racist" LOL.


15 posted on 12/19/2004 10:31:08 AM PST by KoRn
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To: capydick

Of course it is. No matter what the crisis and regardless of who is involved (skin color is irrelevant), in any crisis the 'Rats ALWAYS cry racism.


16 posted on 12/19/2004 10:31:39 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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Black conservative ping

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Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

17 posted on 12/19/2004 10:31:42 AM PST by mhking
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To: Luker

"...what is the matter with the citizens of California..."


I think Ms. Waters represents southcentral LA, which is mostly low income blacks, isn't it? I imagine these people mostly think rich whites are the reason they are in their downtrodden situation, and believe Ms. Waters deserves anything and everything she can get! I may be totally wrong on this...don't know much about her district.


18 posted on 12/19/2004 10:32:09 AM PST by Maria S
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To: wagglebee; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog
"We are not bad people."

A judge and jury usually decide that - no?

19 posted on 12/19/2004 10:32:49 AM PST by Libloather (Big Media news anchors are as worthless as male nipples...)
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To: KoRn

Then she should complain to her leftist pals at the LA Times -- they broke the story.


20 posted on 12/19/2004 10:34:29 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: capydick

LOL


21 posted on 12/19/2004 10:34:32 AM PST by cyborg (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/flamelily.html)
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To: capydick
"These allegations are racist and baseless. I have worked tirelessly to over come the extreme racist attitiudes of the right and I will continue to do so on behalf of the people of Los Angeles and all people of color.

Let alone the discrimination bestowed upon one with over sized joules.

Hey, to a lib, it's doable!

22 posted on 12/19/2004 10:34:45 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: wagglebee

LOL now the L.A Times will be labeled "racist". I wonder when Jesse will fly out to CA to help out.


23 posted on 12/19/2004 10:35:44 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Libloather
A judge and jury usually decide that - no?

Not when you're a prominent 'Rat politician.

25 posted on 12/19/2004 10:36:20 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: KoRn

She'll probably talk about the Hispanic "plot" against African Americans.


26 posted on 12/19/2004 10:37:23 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

I question the timing of this.


27 posted on 12/19/2004 10:38:27 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Mike Bates

"The impact of disclosures like this on Mz Waters' electability = zip."

Probsably will improve her numbers. Among her constituency you get points for gettin' over on the man.


28 posted on 12/19/2004 10:39:44 AM PST by underdognewsgrl (they think i'm foolish for what i believe in-and that might bother me if i cared what they think)
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To: BykrBayb

I'm sure that Waters will question it too. After all the leftist press is "supposed" to give people like her a pass on everything.


29 posted on 12/19/2004 10:41:57 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Luker
what is the matter with the citizens of California?

it's the demographics of her district, i would not blame Kali.

It's like that Crazy Cynthia (Something) in GA...she has a lock district.

30 posted on 12/19/2004 10:43:56 AM PST by wardaddy (Quisiera ser un pez para tocar mi nariz en tu pecera)
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To: shanscom

"but your right"-- pet peeve- it's "you're" not your- come on folks- this is pretty basic.


31 posted on 12/19/2004 10:44:11 AM PST by midnightson
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To: wagglebee
CROOKS!

32 posted on 12/19/2004 10:44:11 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: wagglebee

I think the Internet must be giving MSM a fright.


33 posted on 12/19/2004 10:44:23 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: wagglebee

Yet another black Democrat who will get away because of the ridiculous "race card" offense which seems to apply only to the liberals.


34 posted on 12/19/2004 10:46:23 AM PST by citizencon
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To: BykrBayb

Maybe they will start reporting ALL of the news and not just the stories they can put a spin on!


35 posted on 12/19/2004 10:46:56 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

Political sleeze is color blind.


36 posted on 12/19/2004 10:48:51 AM PST by Swampmarine
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To: wagglebee
California is construction doors on all entrances to the state with a half moon cutout. This State is so full of it, it needs proper advertising to those entering to beware. It's getting so deep may not be able to breath. Check Hollywood liberal elite, they have all the answers.
38 posted on 12/19/2004 10:52:36 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: wagglebee

This is an editorial by Terry Anderson, a radio host. He has commented many times about Waters and how they as a black community cannot get across to her how their lives are being affected by illegal immigration. It's all about money, Maxine, be damned the black voter. What a piece of crud she is.


African-Americans drowning in wave
   of illegal immigration

                           By TERRY ANDERSON

THE black community has made great strides in the last few
decades. Racism has certainly not been eradicated, but it is no
longer accepted with a wink and a nod as it once was. We are
proud to see Secretary of State Colin Powell, even when we do
not agree with everything he does. The same with Condoleezza
Rice, the president's national security adviser, and many others. 

That's the good news. 

The bad news is that in some regions we black folks are so
overwhelmed by the huge numbers of immigrants that we are
being displaced in our schools, jobs and neighborhoods. 

That may seem a harsh thing for a black person to say against
brown people, but I don't see it that way. I am an American,
proud of both my nation and my race. What I see in my
community of South Central Los Angeles -- where I have lived
nearly all my life -- is thousands of Mexicans who care nothing
about our traditions and culture, and only want to impose their
way on us. That's not immigration, that is invasion. 

It is sad what has happened in my neighborhood. This was a
respectable, blue-collar area of hard-working black folks living in
their bungalows and going to their jobs. In just a couple decades it
has become almost entirely Mexican. They live several families to
a three-bedroom house and keep chickens in the yard, but the
city doesn't care about the zoning violations or the noise of having
so many crowded into a small space. 

According to the Census Bureau, nearby Watts is now 60 percent
Hispanic, and it was previously the black community on the West
Coast. No longer. 

The immigration situation is really hard on our young people. A
17-year-old kid on my street couldn't get a job at McDonald's
because he didn't speak Spanish. Another young neighbor boy
was thrown into a bilingual classroom at age 8 and was forced to
listen to Spanish all day long. His six-hour school day was turned
into three hours. When his mother asked for an English-only class,
she was told "there are none." 

Would you believe that I, a black man, have been called a racist
many times for speaking up against this invasion? I have a radio
program on the subject and therefore hear from a lot of people,
even some in Mexico.

When they call me a racist, I put this question to them: What if a
hundred thousand Vietnamese were suddenly dropped into
Guadalajara? And what if those newcomers didn't speak Spanish,
and further insisted that their children be taught in Vietnamese?
What would you think if they were happy to work for half the
normal wages for any job they could get, thereby putting
thousands of your local Guadalajarans out of work? Would it be
racist to say there was a problem? 

When people of good will and good sense hear the situation put
that way, nearly all understand and respect my viewpoint. 

Now if only they would listen in Washington. America's political
leaders are the problem. They have been selling out this great
nation for real and imaginary political benefits while ignoring the
dangers. Even after Sept. 11, nothing has been done to plug up
our borders. Another terrorist attack could be 10 times worse,
and it would likely happen because Congress and the president
learned nothing about the need to keep the nation's borders
secure. 

If I sound angry, you hear right. Like other Americans, I want
immigration to be legal, controlled and reduced. But as a black
American, I see that the burden my people must carry is heavier
than for many others. I am sure that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.,
were alive, he would understand the fundamental unfairness to the
black community of allowing more immigration than the nation can
handle. 


39 posted on 12/19/2004 10:53:41 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Great editorial.


40 posted on 12/19/2004 10:54:54 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: mhking

See post #39. Thanks.


41 posted on 12/19/2004 10:55:56 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee
They could have left the "Rep." out of the article title.

But no, they put it in for the ignorant reader to see as an abbreviation for Republican.

42 posted on 12/19/2004 10:56:54 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

I don't think so, NewsMax is VERY pro-Republican.


43 posted on 12/19/2004 10:57:48 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee
Please do not, I repeat do not post any more pictures of Maxine, she scares my cat.

What do you expect from a low life, lying, back stabbing trough feeder like Waters. One thing about all of them they take care of their own.
44 posted on 12/19/2004 11:08:54 AM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: wagglebee
Do a "news" Google on maxine waters and sort by date.

The majority of the headlines read: "Report: Congresswoman's family profited from business ties"

45 posted on 12/19/2004 11:10:45 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: wagglebee

"We are not bad people." Oh, I beg to differ. You and your tribe are nothing more than thieves taking advantage of your position. Resign now!


46 posted on 12/19/2004 11:11:20 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: wagglebee

I think Maxine Waters is fine congresswoman and there are no skeletons in her closet __NOT!

Maxine Waters on Crime

Click here for 8 full quotes on Crime OR background on Crime .
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Rated 100% by CURE, indicating pro-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
Moratorium on death penalty; more DNA testing. (Mar 2001)
Require DNA testing for all federal executions. (Mar 2001)

Maxine Waters on Drugs

Click here for 3 full quotes on Drugs OR background on Drugs .
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)

Source: On The Issues (http://www.issues2000.org/CA/Maxine_Waters.htm#Principles_+_Values)



But its all the CIA’s fault for the drug problems, the fall of the communist Sandinistas and FOR THAT should be destroyed... The following is a collection of quotes from Waters on a number of topics from her wide-ranging discussion at Cal-State Northridge, including comments made during a question-and-answer session that followed.

Can the CIA Be Trusted to Investigate Itself?

"Of course I'm skeptical of the CIA's own internal investigation, and no, I don't have a great deal of confidence that their inspector general will turn up the information we know is there, but this is just part of the whole process of forcing the truth to light."

"[Former CIA Director] John Deutch is gone. Hello. Goodbye. What was that all about? How committed is this agency to answering the questions we've presented before them?"

"We will never get George Bush's hands, clearly, where we think they were."


Isn't Secrecy Necessary to Protect National Security?

"A lot of people tell me that, when it comes to these obscure, clandestine federal agencies, that they are doing important work that relates to national security, and that I should not interfere with this important work. Well, I don't care what their work is all about.... Because it appears that the CIA not only is involved with drug dealers, but they're involved with the worst kinds of criminals in all manner of sordid affairs, just so they can say they're out there doing something."


Wasn't the CIA Only Marginally Connected to Drug Dealing?

"A lot of people get hung up on the [dollar] amount, saying that not that much money actually made it to the Contras from their cocaine sales. Well, as far as I'm concerned, one dollar from the sale of drugs funding the Contras should not be tolerated."

"Other people argue about the degree to which the CIA may have been involved.... It doesn't matter. The government and the CIA cannot say they had no knowledge that this was happening."


Has Crack Disproportionately Affected the Black Community?

"It's better to have a job at McDonald's than to sell drugs. There is no defense for drug dealing. And there's no way to be involved with dealing drugs without getting hurt, going to jail, or both."

"There is something wrong with our criminal justice system that is causing a disproportionate percentage of young black males to end up rotting away in federal prison on senseless drug charges."

"I drive through the streets of South Central and point out to my driver the undercover FBI agents who are standing on the street corners just waiting to arrest people for buying or selling a single rock of crack cocaine.... I'm not going to sit back and let them be thrown into federal prison for selling one rock of cocaine while the big-time drug dealers cuddle up close to government agencies and go free."


Are We Winning the War on Drugs?

"It's time to take a serious look at the so-called 'war on drugs' in this country. We have no more need for PR programs masquerading under cute slogans like 'just say no.' We should make every effort to redirect the $15 billion already spent on federal drug and law enforcement in this country and spend it on ways aimed at cutting off the supply of drugs.... We should not support with foreign aid or in any other way any country that supplies drugs to the U.S."

"When law enforcement is involved in drug dealing, they should get enhanced sentencing because they are the ones with the badges and the guns."

"All over America, drugs and the money associated with them are some of the most corrupt influences you've ever seen. What you need to do is find out about the drugs that are 'confiscated' by law enforcement and what happens to them."


How Will Your Investigation Help Expose Corruption?

"What we're trying to do with our own investigation is to create a climate of suspicion around the CIA and their activities so that it is not considered crazy to be asking these questions about their involvement in the sale of crack. It may take 10 years' worth of work, but that's the goal."

"We don't expect to be able to run our own 'sidebar' investigation and turn up any kind of 'smoking gun' evidence. We don't have the resources to tackle that kind of thing.... But I have gone to Managua... and we have met with shady people in the dead of night in horrible places, and will continue to do that in search of any information that can help us unravel all of this."

"I am here to hold their [the CIA's] feet to the fire. I'm doing it in an unofficial capacity, and my efforts are probably unwanted, but that's not going to stop me."

Source: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0297/maxine2.htm


The party of Maxine Waters
August 21, 2000

She is one of the most self-serving, hate-filled, race-obsessed politicians in America. The Democratic Party doesn't just embrace her. It kneels at her feet....After throwing a hissy fit in the press because she had not been personally consulted about Al Gore's veep picks ("I never had the opportunity to talk to anybody about it before he was decided on as the vice-presidential choice," she whined), Waters gave her benediction. The skilled publicity hound dissed and then kissed Lieberman for the cameras; a cheek-to-cheek photo of the couple appeared in newspapers across the country.

Waters is not a marginal figure in Democratic politics. She has been at the center of the action for two decades. She has served on the Democratic National Committee since 1980. She led the Congressional Black Caucus. She was a key leader in five presidential campaigns and seconded the nominations of Sen. Edward Kennedy (1980), Rev. Jesse Jackson (1984 and 1988), and President Bill Clinton (1992).

Yet, in contrast to the media's wide coverage of GOP presidential nominee George W. Bush's primary-season visit to Bob Jones University, hardly a word was seen or heard reminding Americans of Waters' ugly history of race-baiting rationalizations and rhetoric.

This is a woman who excused the 1992 Los Angeles riots as a "rebellion."

This is a woman who called the violence in L.A. "a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice and a lot of alienation and frustration."

This is a woman who, instead of coming to the aid of Korean grocers and other minority business owners in her district whose lives were destroyed by looters, made sympathetic statements such as this:

"There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes. Maybe they shouldn't have done it, but the atmosphere was such that they did it. They are not crooks."

And this: "One lady said her children didn't have any shoes. She just saw those shoes there, a chance for all of her children to have new shoes. Goddamn it! It was such a tear-jerker. I might have gone in and taken them for her myself."

This is a woman who danced the electric slide with Crips and Bloods gang members, and then noted in her official biography that "Many young people, including those in the hip-hop music community, praise her for her fearless support and understanding of young people and their efforts at self-expression."

This is a woman who visited the home of Damian Williams, the infamous thug who "expressed himself" by hurling a chunk of concrete at white truck driver Reginald Denny and performing a victory dance over the innocent bystander.

This is a woman who rose to power by badmouthing the white "Establishment," and then shamelessly abused it to secure an ambassadorship to the Bahamas for her husband -- a former pro football player and car salesman whose main qualification was having traveled to the island for a vacation.

This is a woman who repeatedly excoriates "the white press" whenever negative stories about black politicians appear.

This is a woman whose main accomplishment in Congress after five terms has been to bully the House Veterans Committee into hiring two black members to its staff....[snip]
©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


47 posted on 12/19/2004 11:12:16 AM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: wagglebee
The Waters' close financial ties are not expressly prohibited by state laws or congressional ethics rules.

Can you imagine seeing a disclaimer like this is it was a Republican in the story???

48 posted on 12/19/2004 11:12:34 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: sully777

Sorry, the last excerpted article is from Michele Malkin.


49 posted on 12/19/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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In Chicago, there have been pols who've made a career of burning da man.


50 posted on 12/19/2004 11:18:33 AM PST by Mike Bates (If you've been very, very good, Santa may give you. . . .)
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