Posted on 12/19/2004 6:12:34 PM PST by Pyro7480
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Sieg Heil?
Thanks for the ping!! Please keep me updated on this situation. Also add Nightshift to the ping list. He's my hubby .
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Since the Holy Bible is now hate speech, there are some laws which need to be taken off the books.
Murder should be legal since it's hate speech to say anything against murder.
Rape should be legal since it's hate speech to say anything against rape.
Stealing should be legal since it's hate speech to say anything against thieves.
Adultery should be legal since it's hate speech to say anything against adulterers.
Telling lies should be legal since it's hate speech to say anything against liars.
Though the chances of the proposed hypothetical situation would never happen, I think it would shut up the lib anti-God crowd.
This can't possibly be the US of A we're talking about here. This is literally unbelievable.
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One doesn't necessarily have to support a person to support an agenda -a person's failings or successes do not add or detract from material objective truths...
Thanks for the ping. I have been out of the MSM loop lately, does anyone know if this is being picked up by them? How about Rush or Hannity, have they been talking about it?
Agreed. I just think it's better to be aware of what pitfalls there might be.
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Excerpt:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42011
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in Pennsylvania, April 25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of Pennsylvania – and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government, and, therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God ... [there shall be established] laws as shall best preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian, licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caesar his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard time, Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse, encircle it, blow the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia Christians, but because no one in America – not Christians or non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual – will truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can be imprisoned arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of "political correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia? - Joseph Farah
You are brave. We need more like you.
Editorial
Gil Spencer: Now on video: ‘The People vs. Michael M.’
Gil Spencer, Times Columnist12/17/2004
It’s a pretty safe bet that Hollywood will never make a movie called "The People vs. Michael Marcavage." When it comes to the subject of the First Amendment, the Hollywood left only takes it up on behalf of pornographers, strippers and other such fascinating victims. Evangelical street preachers are not worthy of such celebration or protection.
The film "The People vs. Larry Flynt," starring Woody Harrelson and Courtney Love, on the other hand, not only got made, it was showered with praise and awards. It was hailed as a patriotic salute to freedom of speech, and Larry Flynt was heralded as a savior of the First Amendment.
Lansdowne’s Marcavage has not been so honored. But this is understandable. Among other things, he and his group, Repent America, believe it is important to show the world the graphic effects of abortion. They use poster-sized photographs of bloody and dismembered fetuses to get their point across.
Many people who are forced to view such photos are appalled. They dislike Marcavage and his followers for shoving the reality of abortion in their faces.
Then there are his efforts to bring his idea of God’s message to gay people.
In October, Marcavage attended a gay pride event in Philadelphia called OutFest. He and his group attempted to inform the revelers they were all going to Hell if they did not change their ways.
Having announced his plan to bring his street ministry to the event, the gay and lesbian organizers came up with their own plan to keep Marcavage’s message from being heard. When Repent America arrived, the "Pink Angels" -- a group of gays with large, pink Styrofoam placards -- greeted them. Apparently, their plan was to surround Marcavage and drown out his message.
At first, they blocked his group from entering the event. But since it was being held on a public street, this was illegal. Marcavage, a man who thrives on confrontation and knows the law, pointed this out to police officers. His group was escorted past the Pink Angels. But when he tried to speak, the Pink Angels started blowing whistles and yelling obscenities at him.
Police tried to direct Marcavage’s group to a particular spot far away the main stage. But when Marcavage tried to move closer, police arrested him.
He and 10 others were charged with rioting, reckless endangerment, obstructing a highway, failing to disperse, disorderly conduct, ethnic intimidation and possessing an instrument of crime. A gun? A knife? No. A bullhorn, through which he quoted biblical scripture.
Whatever you think of Repent America, it’s hard to argue that its members’ civil rights were respected in this incident. Moreover, the charges levied against them are ridiculous. A video of the incident makes it pretty clear that Marcavage’s group was not rioting or otherwise breaking the law.
Nonetheless, after reviewing the video, a Philadelphia municipal court judge held there was sufficient evidence to proceed to trial.
"This case is historic," says Marcavage’s attorney, C. Scott Shields, "..the first criminal case in the history of our nation where openly preaching the word of God and quoting scripture on signs at a public gay and lesbian event formed the evidentiary basis for a hate-crime charge."
Shields, of Media, has known of Marcavage’s religious activism for several years.
"I was turned off until I saw him in action." He’s no fire-and-brimstone guy, Shields says. "He’s very peaceful with what he does."
Just last July, his client was forcibly carried out of a Lansdowne Borough Council meeting for questioning the efforts of some in the borough to make Lansdowne one of the more attractive gay destinations in Delaware County.
"He only spoke for two minutes before he was dragged out of the room," Shields said, and he has the videotape to prove it.
Since being carted off to a mental ward at the direction of Temple University officials five years ago, says Shields, "He’s gotten smart. He doesn’t do these things without a (video) production company with him."
At the Lansdowne meeting, his client only talked for two minutes before his reading from the Bible was deemed "hate speech" and the meeting was adjourned.
This is bizarre.
Remember those old movies where religious nuts would go around saying "Repent -- the end is near?" Nobody was particularly threatened by them. They were simply made fun of. Today, they are arrested and charged with hate crimes.
What are gays and non-believers so threatened by? Where is the tolerance they so demand from others? And what are the police thinking? Just because someone invokes the name of Jesus doesn’t mean their civil rights can be brushed aside. Marcavage has every bit as much right to non-violently spout his religious views as gays have the right to publicly celebrate their homosexuality.
What’s going on here?
Michael Marcavage will be happy to tell you.
Sunday.
Gil Spencer’s column appears Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. E-mail him at spencer@delcotimes.com.
"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in. I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"
That has already been hashed out on another thread starting this post #35.
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