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BUSH'S IMMIGRATION PET PHRASES
michellemalkin.com ^ | 12/20/2004 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 12/20/2004 12:21:42 PM PST by nanak

After the White House news conference this morning, Bill Kristol on Fox News praised President Bush's remarks about "immigration reform" as "eloquent." Beg to differ. The president's open-borders statements were empty, garish platitudes strung together sloppily like cheap Christmas lights:

Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times during today's press conference as he defended his impending illegal alien amnesty plan. Mark Krikorian effectively puts this mindless rhetoric to rest here.

"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Uh huh. Well, terrorists and gang members and drunken murderers and cop-killers don't stop there either. And based on past and recent experience, granting amnesty to 13 million law-breakers will only result in more illegal immigration, not less.

We need immigration reform that "recognizes reality." Rank-and-file immigration enforcement officials give a real reality check on the amnesty debacle here, here, and here.

As immigration enforcement veteran/former U.S. prosecutor Peter Nunez put it:

[W]e need to stop the talk of a coming amnesty, or of a guest worker program, both of which, by themselves, serve to encourage additional illegal immigration. What kind of message are we sending when we dangle that possibility before people desperate enough to put their lives at risk? Doesn’t this kind of talk also indicate that we really don’t care much about law breaking, that we don’t really care that much about the rule of law, that these immigration laws exist only as a token objection to the violation of our sovereignty? Now, that is eloquent.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; imigration; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 12/20/2004 12:21:43 PM PST by nanak
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To: nanak

Bump for use later.


2 posted on 12/20/2004 12:24:16 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: nanak

We need to hold an intervention with Bush on this issue...


3 posted on 12/20/2004 12:24:52 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Bill Kriston and other Weekly Standard crowd including Fred Barnes = Know nothing knee jerk RINOs


4 posted on 12/20/2004 12:26:59 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: Echo Talon

Bill Kristol and other Weekly Standard crowd including Fred Barnes = Know nothing knee jerk RINOs


5 posted on 12/20/2004 12:27:16 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: Echo Talon
"We need to hold an intervention with Bush on this issue..."

Using what? We had no one better to elect this year, he's guaranteed to be in office for the next four, and he can't run for President in '08. Just what do we have for leverage? "Mr President, we won't be your friend no more"?
6 posted on 12/20/2004 12:27:54 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent

We don't need leverage just logic... I don't think he has had anyone pursuade him to do anytinhg about the border, yet...


7 posted on 12/20/2004 12:29:28 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: nanak
As I said on an earlier thread, I have no problem with the President's immigration policy, with a couple of caveats.

#1 - ALL illiegal immigrants leave the country.
#2 - the federal/state/county/municiple govts make a real and concerted effort to find and deport any illegal immigrants that DON'T leave the USA. The border guards and customs officers have lists of those deported and DON'T let them back in.
#3 - Only those aliens with PROOF of an employer be let back into the USA.

THEN, I support the President's guest worker policy.

8 posted on 12/20/2004 12:29:31 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: NJ_gent

Exactly right. No one better to vote for and we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.


9 posted on 12/20/2004 12:30:03 PM PST by redhawk
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To: nanak

Another great article by Michelle Malkin. That gal tells it like it is. The open borders lobby must hate her guts.


10 posted on 12/20/2004 12:31:16 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: NJ_gent

Tom Tancredo for President 2008:"Our last and only hope to save AMERICA"

11 posted on 12/20/2004 12:32:21 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: NJ_gent

The leverage you have is not with President Bush but with the coming 2006 election and with the GOP.
Someone there has to listen and do something constructive.


12 posted on 12/20/2004 12:32:28 PM PST by stopem
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To: janetgreen
The open borders lobby CHAIRMAN = President BUSH
13 posted on 12/20/2004 12:33:16 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: nanak
Yawn. Just another "Bush is a traitor because he won't kick all the Mexicans out of the U.S. so I can get a job" thread.
14 posted on 12/20/2004 12:34:26 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: NJ_gent
The only real thing to do now is make sure his "Appease Mexico at all costs", proposals do not get passed by putting pressure on the Congress Critters, and make sure he never, ever gets the line item Veto power. The House and the Senate need to lock his pro-illegal proposals up tighter then a drum, and thumb their collective noses at the "Money before Country" crowd.

And if they refuse to do so, then we need to start recall campaigns and just generally make sure they do not get elected again.

15 posted on 12/20/2004 12:35:45 PM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: bayourod
Yawn. Just another "Bush is a traitor because he won't kick all the Mexicans out of the U.S. so I can get a job" thread.

Barf. Just another "Bush's crap don't stink because he's a Republican and maybe rewarding border intruders and other lawbreakers really might be a good idea after all" post.

16 posted on 12/20/2004 12:36:57 PM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: bayourod

Spoken by a true "Money before Country", traitor.


17 posted on 12/20/2004 12:37:08 PM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: nanak
Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times during today's press conference

I say we kick them all out and find out if this statement is true or just 'talk'.

18 posted on 12/20/2004 12:40:51 PM PST by zoobee (www.MyCatHatesYou.com)
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To: nanak
Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times during today's press conference

I say we kick them all out and find out if this statement is true or just 'talk'.

19 posted on 12/20/2004 12:40:52 PM PST by zoobee (www.MyCatHatesYou.com)
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To: nanak

bump


20 posted on 12/20/2004 12:41:43 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: nanak
Seriously, could we have been worse off with Kerry?

GOP Congress would have likely resisted JFK amnesty schemes, yet stands a good chance of approving the same perfidy from this stammering clown.

21 posted on 12/20/2004 12:41:57 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: nanak

ping for later


22 posted on 12/20/2004 12:42:02 PM PST by 506trooper (There is no such thing as too much ammo or fuel on board.........unless you're on fire)
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To: zoobee

Cool...your posts echo.


23 posted on 12/20/2004 12:42:52 PM PST by truthseeker2
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To: nanak

Index


24 posted on 12/20/2004 12:42:59 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class. They decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JustAnAmerican

These threads always attract the same Mexico-merger trolls.


25 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:33 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: nanak
The open borders lobby CHAIRMAN = President BUSH

Sad but true. He's allowing an actual invasion into America (15? million people) without firing a shot.

26 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:34 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: nanak
"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande."

SO sick of hearing that.

27 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:37 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: bayourod
Yawn. Just another "Bush is a traitor because he won't kick all the Mexicans out of the U.S. so I can get a job" thread.

And their patron St. Michelle is leading the way.

Of course by the time this thread is over I(Dane) will be accused of being pro-islamofascist, anti-sikh, and replies saying that I hate Michelle Malkin because she is Asian.

28 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:45 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane

Jorge"Dubleva"Arbusto(George"W"Bush) = America's RASPUTIN


29 posted on 12/20/2004 12:45:36 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: redhawk
Exactly right. No one better to vote for and we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

It's gone far beyond typical, simple political nonsense.

31 posted on 12/20/2004 12:46:10 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: FrankWild; JustAnAmerican; Dane; bayourod

bayourod = Illegalae Alieno Cheerleaderae


32 posted on 12/20/2004 12:47:59 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: nanak
Jorge"Dubleva"Arbusto(George"W"Bush) = America's RASPUTIN

Oh sheesh, yunz guys's blast faxes are getting pathetic, IMO.

33 posted on 12/20/2004 12:48:17 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: nanak

If this had been a Helen Thomas thread, there would have been 10 pictures by now. Very telling....


34 posted on 12/20/2004 12:49:36 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: dagnabbit

The worst part about all of this is that I voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004. The only reason Bush got my vote in 2004 was because Kerry was such an Anti-American/Anti-Military POS. But I am starting to wonder if there is any real Difference between Kerry and someone who wants to sell our country and culture out to the highest bidder. One bitten twice shy, I will never make that mistake again.


35 posted on 12/20/2004 12:50:06 PM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

The Clinton administration, twelve years long and going for sixteen.


36 posted on 12/20/2004 12:51:03 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: nanak
Illegal aliens "do the job Americans won't do." President Bush used that dog-tired phrase about a half-dozen times

No such job exists.

It's just that employers can save a LOT of money by hiring illegals.

As long as employers are hiring illegals, it proves the benefits of doing so outweigh the perceived risks.

37 posted on 12/20/2004 12:51:09 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: dagnabbit
Seriously, could we have been worse off with Kerry?

Yours has my vote for "dumbest post of the day."

38 posted on 12/20/2004 12:52:22 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


39 posted on 12/20/2004 12:53:01 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: JustAnAmerican
The worst part about all of this is that I voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004. The only reason Bush got my vote in 2004 was because Kerry was such an Anti-American/Anti-Military POS. But I am starting to wonder if there is any real Difference between Kerry and someone who wants to sell our country and culture out to the highest bidder. One bitten twice shy, I will never make that mistake again

Yeah right you voted for Bush in 00 and 04. Give me a break.

You probably, IMO, voted for Buchanan in 00(0.4% of the Presidential vote) , and Peroutka(0.2% of the Presidential vote), in 04.

Please don't and stop considering the majority of people on FR as fools.

40 posted on 12/20/2004 12:54:10 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: nanak
We need to stop the talk of a coming amnesty, or of a guest worker program

I agree in principle and disagree in specifics. We need to be talking about a guest worker program. And one of its most important facets is that anyone who has violated our immigration laws is ineligible. Further features should be: employers pay a $1000 per month fee to the government to hire the guest worker. Children born here are not granted citizenship. It is limited to 5 years.

41 posted on 12/20/2004 12:54:21 PM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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To: nanak

It's babies or immigrants, folks. Take your pick. We cannot arrive at 2025 with two workers per retiree.

You can only tax people so much. If we're not going to have euthanisia for Granny, we need people out there working and paying taxes.

Right now the fertility of American women is just below the replacement rate. We're not going to avoid a demographic debacle if that keeps up.

Just be glad our immigrants are from a basically Christian country, and they don't come here with orders from God to kill us all.

But come they will, and the government won't do squat about it. They can't. They can't allow the demographic time bomb to go off; it's too ugly.

So rail and rant all you want. Nothing will change.


42 posted on 12/20/2004 12:54:24 PM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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To: newgeezer
It's just that employers can save a LOT of money by hiring illegals.

Correcto!!!! It is only the Bottomlineo that mattero, not our La república de Estados Unidos.

43 posted on 12/20/2004 12:54:59 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: Just another Joe
Today the president announces his plan for a vast new guestworker system, which would grant amnesty to millions of illegals currently in the United States, as well as import millions of new workers from abroad. (The president will also call for an increase in permanent legal immigration beyond the current rate of one million a year.)

This is really beyond belief.

These ever growing government is going to bring in the equivalent of TWO MAJOR cities of illegal aliens and new immigrants (many from Muslim countries) into our country EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Interesting enough Texas, happens to have one of the fastest growing Muslim populations.

Continue to leave this country wide open to *millions* of uneducated, non English speaking, religious fanatics, many without basic skills or basic education.

A real plan for success.

44 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Dane

I expect that type of talk from folks who espouse your views. Thing is that nonsense doesn't work on me. Might want to try your "Pro-illegal/Traitorist" crap on someone else. And I really could care less what someone like you thinks about me or how I voted. I put America and Americans first, you on the other hand... Well implyed is implied.


46 posted on 12/20/2004 12:59:38 PM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: blanknoone
We need to be talking about a guest worker program.

Exactly.

And one of its most important facets is that anyone who has violated our immigration laws is ineligible.

Won't happen. There is simply no way to send 8 million people back to Mexico. It is logistically impossible.

Further features should be: employers pay a $1000 per month fee to the government to hire the guest worker.

It would cost $1000 a month per worker in bureaucracy to monitor such a program.

Children born here are not granted citizenship.

This would require a constitutional amendment, not likely to pass.

It is limited to 5 years.

Bush's is time-limited.

47 posted on 12/20/2004 12:59:41 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Interesting enough Texas, happens to have one of the fastest growing Muslim populations.

Well of course when you go from 1,000 followers to 2,000, that is a !00% increase.

But what the hey you still conviently forget to say that Texas is probably 95% Christian.

Oh I forgot you Joe have a propaganda campaign to perpetuate, nevermind.

48 posted on 12/20/2004 1:00:50 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Nick Danger
So rail and rant all you want. Nothing will change.

I hope your trenchcoat is lined with asbestos.

I find the demand that all illegal aliens be kicked out of the country to be amusing. There is no political consensus to do that, nor will there be in the foreseeable future. We're not about to cast a dragnet over the entire country and demand everybody produce papers or get kicked out. Nor are we going to fine & jail employers and wrecks the agricultural industry.

The President is trying to address a serious problem seriously, and all we get are unrealistic demands and attacks on the man.

If something like the President's plan isn't adopted, we'll be left with the status quo, which is worse.

Got a spare asbestos trenchcoat?

49 posted on 12/20/2004 1:01:08 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: Just another Joe
#1 - ALL illiegal immigrants leave the country.
#2 - the federal/state/county/municiple govts make a real and concerted effort to find and deport any illegal immigrants that DON'T leave the USA. The border guards and customs officers have lists of those deported and DON'T let them back in.
#3 - Only those aliens with PROOF of an employer be let back into the USA.

And just how do you accomplish your three step process? Run ads that say, "Illegals, Get Out!" ???

50 posted on 12/20/2004 1:01:37 PM PST by UseYourHead (Beware of the Rinos - McCain, Hagel, Lugar, and Specter)
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