Posted on 12/21/2004 8:45:42 AM PST by PatrickHenry
Have you seen Helen Thomas?
The farm is an adequate laboratory as any--at least you don't have some Piled High and Deeper grubbing for a grant...
I find the stories of the breeding of domestic sheep and goats to be far more compelling an argument against speiciation than even the breed-variety in dogs, because this breeding has been going on for far longer (thousands of years, a generation a year), with far wider geographical isolation, and with more interesting results. Due to an interest in textiles and small-scale farming, I'm familiar with a wide variety of breeds of sheep and goats.
The Merino sheep, bred for wool and only incidentally for meat, has a skin with deep folds--there's a lot more skin on a Merino than on a meat sheep, which makes for many more follicles and much more wool! But the Merino is hard to shear--you risk nicking all that skin. Meat sheep are bred for twinning, with all the complications and benefits that causes the shepherd. Most modern domesticated sheep breeds can no longer shed their wool. If they are not shorn regularly, they will die from the weight and burden of the long wool.
There is a breed of goat, the Nubian, which has large ears to act as a kind of air-conditioner in hot climes (India). It is also the breed with the highest butterfat content in its milk. There is a goat bred for the alpine that has no ears at all!--which means those ears can't freeze off.. The little tempermental Angora goat, looking for all the world like a poodle and very much a diva, has long silky white curls which provide our mohair. <"Mom, what's a 'mo'?)
Goats bred in India, goats bred in the Alps, sheep in Iceland and sheep in the Holy Land. All the same goat--all the same sheep. No new species.
The mutated flu viruses would beg to differ.
The only potentially truthful line in the article.
"Many researchers explain dog-breed diversity as the emergence of hidden traits in the genome."
The rest is a waste of time and money. Even as a layperson, I can tell these guys are out of their league.
Right. Somewhere, eons ago, the chain split, monkeys going one way, man going another.
Lol...
AND an opus...
Bless you! ;-)
The Age of Savagery ended and the Barbarian Age began when Man domesticated Dog.
The Barbarian Age ended and Civilization began when Cat domesticated Man.
Also, there is no genetic problem with any dog breed interbreeding with another, aside from problems caused by differences in size.
Bottom line is, there has been no "evolution" of dog breeds.
Existing genetic traits have merely been selected for and amplified by dog breeders.
Is this from personal experience or something you read?
Actually, no.
A "species" is defined as a a group that can naturally breed and produce viable offspring (that can itself breed).
Mastiffs and Chijuaja(sp?) cannot naturally breed. Ergo, although they had a common ancestor just a few hundred years ago, they no are no longer the same species.
And no, artificial insemination does not count.
If so, lions and tigers would be the same specifies (the resulting offspring is called a Liger, which do exist, albeit they are generally sterile like a mule, which is itself an inter-species cross ).
In fact, HUMANS and CHIMPS can be bred together via artificial insemination. The Chinese did this, impregnating female chimps with human sperm. Fortunately, the resulting creature was destroyed before term (or so the Chinese claim).
So many breeds have been "created" by man for specific traits such as size, coat, skills, etc., I don't think this research means much. Additionally, the cultivation of certain traits also (inadvertently) has led to other problems within breeds, such as susceptibility to certain afflictions, etc.
These things take time. We haven't been dealing with dogs for very long. Give it a few thousand more dog generations. Speciation is virtually inevitable.
That's not entirely correct as evolution is simply the change in the frequency of alleles from one generation to the next. Selective breeding of dogs is a prime example of this. If your talking in terms of speciation then you are correct. No speciation has occurred.
You remain hilarious. Every time you post on this topic, I get an image of a monkey with its eyes clamped shut and its hands covering its ears, a grimace of extreme frustration on its face...
One more bit of evidence for evolution to add to the mountain. One more bit of serious annoyance to the Poofists. Gotta love it!
>Even as a layperson, I can tell these guys are out of their league.
And you can tell that... how? Because they reached a conclusion you don't like?
Ping
As I've noted several times on threads such as these, the best argument in favor of Intelligent Design (as a general principle) is that we humans have practiced it for thousands of years. Yours are among the best specific examples I've seen.
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