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Kibble for Thought: Dog diversity prompts new evolution theory
Science News ^ | 18 December 2004 | Christen Brownlee

Posted on 12/21/2004 8:45:42 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: jwalsh07

> Did you think it was from the Onion at first?

No. I saw it, and others like it, when it first came out.

> Where did the matter in the black holes come from?

Sneezed out the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure?


251 posted on 12/22/2004 1:24:49 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: fr_freak

> it requires that at some point life spontaneously erupted.

Again... scientists have assembled viable virii from simpler chemicals. The scientists didn't use magic or spells or mysterious incantations to bring these thigns to life; they simply put them together. Life, then, is simply a matter of being a sufficiently complex chemical structure. Nothing mystical about it.


252 posted on 12/22/2004 1:27:54 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Sneezed out the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure?

Thats odd, thats the same answer that cosmologists offer for conditions at t=0. You guys all train at the same public school?

253 posted on 12/22/2004 1:33:42 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

It's not a fundamentally different answer than "God did it." Both answers are BS.


254 posted on 12/22/2004 1:35:50 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

I can do nasty BamBam. You sure you want to go that route?


255 posted on 12/22/2004 1:37:02 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: PatrickHenry

Darwin himself warned strongly against thinking that evolution would operate normally within the constraints of society; why did no one listen?


256 posted on 12/22/2004 1:41:56 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: jwalsh07

Go ahead, with a little luck a mutation will occur.


257 posted on 12/22/2004 1:42:48 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Old Professer

I said nasty, not "the nasty". :-}


258 posted on 12/22/2004 1:44:23 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"O"
259 posted on 12/22/2004 1:51:54 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: orionblamblam
Again... scientists have assembled viable virii from simpler chemicals.

I'm going to regret keeping this thread going, but what the hell.

Even if scientists managed to duplicate the exact conditions on Earth as when life first appeared, which would be a miracle in itself, and created viruses, one must realize that the appearance of a virus is not enough to begin life on Earth.

In order for the entire chain of life on Earth to have begun, there would have to be an organism that erupted spontaneously with the following qualities: (1) it can replicate itself, (2) it wants to replicate itself. By this I mean there has to be hard-wired into the organism a trigger that causes it to put into motion the reproductive mechanisms that it has. Simply having the mechanisms available is insufficient to cause reproduction. Considering those necessities, the likelihood of such an organism spontaneously erupting decreases by a significant order of magnitude. Viruses, by the way, cannot replicate themselves.
260 posted on 12/22/2004 9:18:06 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Clorinox
I guess I'm a little confused as to how you think life, insects, plants, animals etc. came to being on this planet.

Really? If I have been defending Creationism this whole time, what do you think one of my possible answers might be?

I'm more confused about how YOU think all these creatures got here. They had to start from somewhere. If they all evolved, then there had to be a first organism. Where did that come from? The funny part is that you find it ridiculous that I might answer that an intelligent designer created them out of thin air, but yet the logical conclusion of your reasoning is that they were created out of thin air by RANDOM FORCES.
261 posted on 12/22/2004 9:23:25 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

> By this I mean there has to be hard-wired into the organism a trigger that causes it to put into motion the reproductive mechanisms that it has.

Considering that the precursor molecules to the very simplest things maybe called life are themselves self-replicating, and not due to any desire on their part, but just part of the mechanism... it would not be surprisign if early life was equally as prolific and yet as disinterested.

> Viruses, by the way, cannot replicate themselves.

They seem to be quite capable of it.


262 posted on 12/23/2004 5:23:39 AM PST by orionblamblam
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> Viruses, by the way, cannot replicate themselves.

They seem to be quite capable of it.


I'm not a Biology major, but if I recall correctly viruses require a host cell to infect in order to reproduce. I think it's safe to assume that if a virus was the first life on Earth, it did not have a host cell to infect.

The Difference Between Bacteria and Viruses
263 posted on 12/23/2004 10:26:10 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

"but yet the logical conclusion of your reasoning is that they were created out of thin air by RANDOM FORCES."

Not thin air at all, but a planet called earth with various chemicals, air, liquid water, dirt, heat, an atmosphere capable of blocking solar radiation etc. I do believe life spontaneously evolved from these basic components. So do you think all forms of life were created at once, or did the creator parse out this life over long periods of time? Is the creator creating new species out of thin air as we speak, or are these species deriving mostly from sexual reproduction?


264 posted on 12/23/2004 5:23:19 PM PST by Clorinox
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Note: this topic is dated December 2004.

Blast from the Past.

Thanks PatrickHenry.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


265 posted on 03/03/2013 7:45:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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