Posted on 12/21/2004 10:47:26 AM PST by The Loan Arranger
Tuesday night, I went down to the graduate student lounge in my college for an election night “party;” mostly just people camped out in front of the television with snacks and drinks. My idea for this column was to take along my laptop, which I did, and chronicle what an expat election party was like. Advertisement
I figured my fellow Trinity Hall students were good for some amusing and interesting quotes, which they were, and that any British students in attendance might provide a different perspective, which they did, and that even if the night didn’t go my way I could at least make lots of jokes about alcohol consumption.
But somehow I’m not up to editing through that night. I finally left at 6:00 in the morning, and laid awake in bed for half an hour unable to relax. When I finally went to sleep, I dreamed of the Electoral College. Now that, as I write this, I’ve gotten back up after a few hours and taken a painful glance at some news sites, it’s not any better.
What happened?
To tell the truth, I wasn’t expecting Kerry to win. But I wasn’t expecting this either. A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed. An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. The Senate Minority leader ousted for the first time in 52 years. The popular vote not only in Bush’s favor, but a few million people in his favor. The first actual majority vote for a President since his father in 1988.
(Excerpt) Read more at rawstory.com ...
If he/she/it needs to call pro-marriage initiatives "homophobic", we got no common language to discuss anything with.
Yet anybody who disagrees with them is immediately attacked as a hater, or a bigot, or ignorant, or you name it. What ugly, petulant, immature people.
Another pathetic loser without a clue....not worth the read.
They don't. Razors and pills in the bathroom medicine cabinet. C-YA!
Oh WAAAAH!
"All your thoughts are OURS!"
Oh, and Dara, our rubitronic, cerebral, cortex analyzer, now at the RNC, is able to penetrate your tinfoil hats!
He should have called this "Losing With Hatred"
Dara, strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
winning with hatred? and I thought John Kerry lost (both John Kerry's, John F. Kerry with 220 electoral votes, John L. Kerry with 31 electoral votes).
So Dara, I guess if those who vote for the protection of marriage are homophobic, those who vote for gay marriage are heterophobic, by your bizarre logic.
If you click the 'no comments' button on the article it turns out there are lots of comments. Most are extremely intolerant while decrying REPUBLICAN intolerance. The word I did not see, and do not xpect to hear from liberals is: RESPONSIBILITY. They want to care for the downtrodden, the sick, the weak, the poor, the dispossessed. Well, there are better ways than catching fish for all those folks. If only the libs had a clue. Bush is clever and stupid; the antiChrist and religious fanatic. I don't think they ever listen to anyone but themselves. Must be great to have all the answers..if only they could get us to listen.
Let's see. We smacked down your agenda yet you continue to cram it down our throats. "We" must change to suit the losing side's whims. "They" know what's best for us all.
I hope that they use Jim Jones' (D) recipe for the kool aid.
Along with the anger, I’ve also heard a lot of disgust. Several people have said they feel ashamed to be an American, and I’ve heard “they deserve him” a couple of times. And true, that would be one way to react—the quasi-Leninist strain of showing the populace what the alternative is, so that eventually they will break and revolt.But I don’t think that will ever happen.
Ah yes, the commie dream of overthrowing our democracy and having a full scale revolution.
F. Democrats. What they espouse these days is positively unAmerican.
Most serious crime is perpetrated by repeat offenders.. Does she mean humane for the victims or humane for the inhumane.?. An obviously rhetorical question.. the answer is obvious..
Dara, I found your problem.
Ronald Reagan LEFT office in January 1989 (15 years ago). She is a graduate student (likely 22-25). I SERIOUSLY doubt that she has much of ANY memory of the Reagan years (seeing as how she was 7-10 years old when he LEFT office).
We all know that homelessness ONLY existed under Reagan/Bush and came back under George W. Bush. There never was any media coverage or leftist campaigns to sleep on the sidewalk during the Clinton years.
Well, I do not really have any feelings of love for these dirt bag demon rats.
How sweet it is!!!!!
Luckily, this is only the world according to Dana.
Hey Dana:
Cheney/Rumsfeld '08
:o)
No need to read any further, is there?
Four years ago, Bush defeated John McCain in the Republican primary by starting a gossip campaign stating that McCain had a black child out of wedlock. This season, Republican operatives stood outside polling places where African-American congregations marched to after their services with signs saying things like “Gay Adoption Now!” matched with an actual Kerry/Edwards sign with a rainbow background.
Is that anything like flyering homes and businesses with a piece of paper that shows black men being hosed down by police in the 1960s and claiming that this is what you will get if you re-elect George Bush?
Is that anything like leading the nightly news with some forged "smoking gun" memos, attacking the critics of said documents, and also declaring that even if the memos are fakes we must consider the points that they raise?
Stop eating tinfoil!
So, if I read this right, the author is saying that Californians never wanted the version of the 3-strikes law they got, but when given the chance to change this "unjust" law, they decided they wanted the version of the 3-strikes law they never wanted....????
Do leftists ever actually read what they write?
Nasty ol' Republicans have been against these "novel" marriage arrangements for more than 148 years now.
When, oh, when will the people WAKE UP????
/sarcasm
I don't know why this has a barf alert. I laughed all the way through it, especially this paragraph:
"To tell the truth, I wasn’t expecting Kerry to win. But I wasn’t expecting this either. A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed. An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. The Senate Minority leader ousted for the first time in 52 years. The popular vote not only in Bush’s favor, but a few million people in his favor. The first actual majority vote for a President since his father in 1988."
"This isn’t an election. This is a rout."
I read that part twice, for the fun of it. :)
Last time I checked homosexuals can get married just like everyone else.
No homosexual has ever been denied the right to get married.
My father tells me that when I was a child, my first steps of political activism were charmingly naive—I was calling up stores in the mall at 10 years old to say that they shouldn’t sell fur because it killed animals, because I was so sure that if I could just tell them, they would change. I just assumed that people did bad things because they didn’t know that what they were doing was wrong, and if I showed them, they would stop. I don’t know when it finally came home to me that sometimes people do the wrong thing because they didn’t care about injustice, or that they hold values that make an unjust result seem to them worth striving for.
Or perhaps it is because there is a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION about just what is right and what is wrong.
To Diarrhea, homosexuality is GOOD and MORAL, while killing animals for clothing (what about for food?) is WRONG and IMMORAL. Abortion is GOOD and MORAL while preventing the murder of small children is CRUEL and OPPRESSIVE. It is her opinion that our founding fathers were in ERROR including the Second Amendment (to protect the free speech assured by the First Amendment). Uncle Joe Stalin's socialism is GOOD while George W. Bush's War On Terror (including war on the nations that sponsor terrorism) is BAD.
They aren't liberals. They aren't progressives. They are socialists. Many are afraid to use that word because they feel it is "tainted" (and that it makes it easier for us to point them out as the Reds that they are). Others see it as a badge of honor (of course they still admire the Soviet Union).
tanker, they literally can't wrap their minds around the ideas and things that most of us in Flyover Country think is important or hold dear.
I voted they way I voted in part because I am sick & tired of having most of the things I hold dear spat upon and shat upon by my "betters" in the media and academia. And these selfsame arbiters of what they think is important or not never tire of shoving their "concerns" and opinions in our faces. Like the little tart who wrote this screed of low bigotry.
Maybe we realized the social programs they fought so hard for fifty years ago did not work and they spent trillions experimenting with them.
Actually, at a second look, it's an interesting insight into the twisted logic the left employs. For instance:
"Four years ago, Bush defeated John McCain in the Republican primary by starting a gossip campaign stating that McCain had a black child out of wedlock."
Many of the folks in my church were going to vote for McCain in the primary until he called the Pat Robertson (and by extension) the Christian Right "evil". Overnight every person in my church changed their vote. This train of thought is beyond Dara. She is convinced it must be a dirty trick, somewhere.
After all, its just religion, its just a few nuts in the South, somewhere.
Well, it's worked for the Democrats for a hundred years, Dara.
At least we're winning...
...people care more about one person’s position on abortion than whether their own children have health care. People care more about preventing a loving, monogamous couple from having the same legal rights as everyone else than stopping transnational corporations from exporting their jobs. People care more about injuring the “others” they hate than helping the “us” we should love.
Parents are in charge of their children's health care. Some immunization is FREE yet parents don't get their children vaccinated. How many homes have cable tv and cellphones and internet? Don't tell me that it is the government's role to provide free health care. People have a budget. They can spend on essentials (including TAXES, shelter, food, clothing, transportation, education, and SAVINGS) or trivial things like fashion/entertainment/addictions/vacations.
The "monogamous couple" that overturned the nation's sodomy laws (even those that did not just prohibit homosexual sodomy) were alerted to the police by an abused lover/roommate of one of the two men. That lover is now dead, murdered in an unsolved crime, while the two sodomites charged in Texas that day are not together.
We were told that we were getting all bent out of shape over the judicial tyranny which created this new constitutional right to homosexuality (other sex acts between consenting adults like incest and prostitution are still illegal). Less than a year later we see pushes for same sex marriage (nationally recognized marriages), same sex adoption, same sex foster parenting... It is not about two people but how those two people can "norm" the abnormal in society.
The citizen can choose the company he works for. The citizen can choose the company he invests his money in. The exporting of jobs is nothing new. Lobby for increasing the minimum wage in OTHER countries to $8/hour and you might find some jobs returning to the US and some economic "refugees" finding profitable work in their homelands.
There have been great divisions among conservatives over the policies of the Bush administration, as illustrated by many threads on FR the past few years. Yet I've not seen conservatives and Republicans this unified since the 1984 election and I'm not sure we were as unified then. I think the reason in large part is the antics of Michael Moore, Dan Rather and the rest of the MSM, the drumbeat of crap like this article. And we can't forget the sheer in-your-face effrontery of the Dims nominating the man who attacked all Vietnam veterans as war criminals in the U.S. Senate.
Yes, and they're the real haters too.
Look at this lovely message someone left to her:
My opinion is get Rove on his tricks. He seems to think that everything is fair game, then I assume his affairs, drug use, and the criminal records of his kids should be exploited. He is really the most horrific figure in American history. So there you go. Progessives spread out and speak to Karl Rove in the only language he can understand.
Anonymous | 11.08.04 - 2:35 am | #
Several people have said they feel ashamed to be an American
The problem with the left is they have always been ashamed to be Americans. And what ever happened to the promised Exodus to Canada and France? Just like the left: say what you feel, not what you mean.
Be still my heart!
The proper word is SELFDESTRUCTIVE, or is that two words.
Exactly.
From the message board:
The truely sad thing of it is, those who put Bush back in office are the same ones being fleeced by his policies. Look at Ohio, which lost huge jobs, yet still gave its 20 to him. The military has large recruiment out of rural areas as well, and no wonder, when their schools are so bad and families so poor there aren't many options for the future..
The rural culture is very isolated and not particularly nomadic. People there believe strongly in their families and they hold tight to religious and moral values. Religion is indeed the opium of the people. It can be (and has been) twisted and manipulated in order to manipulate culture. But at the same time how we can we deny people the right to believe what they want?
I wish I knew what we could do exactly. One thing is for sure though. The USA is the biggest empire the world has ever seen, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
So funny how they think people are afraid, or at least try to frame the arguement that way. Emotional, silly liberals. Differ? Yes. Afraid? No. Some sort of a phobia? No.
How much you wanna bet the poster of those comments has never spent much time in a rural community? I'm sure they consider driving through Nebraska on I-80 with no stops as experiencing rural culture.
I'm amazed at the number of my co-workers, friends, etc that have no clue what rural life is like. And how arrogant they are about it. Yet, they know it all. Whatever.
No homosexual has ever been denied the right to get married.
Damn straight!
And last time I checked a woman had the right to do what she wanted with her body....except sell a kidney, sexual favors (some Nevada counties excepted), get a tatoo on her face (again, some areas may be excepted), and the ultimate expression of self-ownership: commit suicide. But "progressives" don't seem to have too much heartburn about having very few "rights" over those body parts.
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