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Winning with hatred: The Republican agenda (Barf Alert!)
The Raw Story ^ | November 2004 | Dara Purvis

Posted on 12/21/2004 10:47:26 AM PST by The Loan Arranger

Tuesday night, I went down to the graduate student lounge in my college for an election night “party;” mostly just people camped out in front of the television with snacks and drinks. My idea for this column was to take along my laptop, which I did, and chronicle what an expat election party was like. Advertisement

I figured my fellow Trinity Hall students were good for some amusing and interesting quotes, which they were, and that any British students in attendance might provide a different perspective, which they did, and that even if the night didn’t go my way I could at least make lots of jokes about alcohol consumption.

But somehow I’m not up to editing through that night. I finally left at 6:00 in the morning, and laid awake in bed for half an hour unable to relax. When I finally went to sleep, I dreamed of the Electoral College. Now that, as I write this, I’ve gotten back up after a few hours and taken a painful glance at some news sites, it’s not any better.

What happened?

To tell the truth, I wasn’t expecting Kerry to win. But I wasn’t expecting this either. A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed. An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. The Senate Minority leader ousted for the first time in 52 years. The popular vote not only in Bush’s favor, but a few million people in his favor. The first actual majority vote for a President since his father in 1988.

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1 posted on 12/21/2004 10:47:26 AM PST by The Loan Arranger
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To: The Loan Arranger
Dara can put some ice on it.

If he/she/it needs to call pro-marriage initiatives "homophobic", we got no common language to discuss anything with.

2 posted on 12/21/2004 10:53:20 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Why can't these people understand that a majority just disagree with them and think they're wrong?

Yet anybody who disagrees with them is immediately attacked as a hater, or a bigot, or ignorant, or you name it. What ugly, petulant, immature people.

3 posted on 12/21/2004 10:53:57 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Another pathetic loser without a clue....not worth the read.


5 posted on 12/21/2004 10:54:20 AM PST by 506trooper (There is no such thing as too much ammo or fuel on board.........unless you're on fire)
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To: The Loan Arranger
How does a progressive keep going after this?

They don't. Razors and pills in the bathroom medicine cabinet. C-YA!

6 posted on 12/21/2004 10:54:54 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Oh WAAAAH!


7 posted on 12/21/2004 10:55:06 AM PST by Edgerunner (Don't pay attention to me, ..I haven't been here long enough to have any credibility...)
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To: The Loan Arranger

"All your thoughts are OURS!"

Oh, and Dara, our rubitronic, cerebral, cortex analyzer, now at the RNC, is able to penetrate your tinfoil hats!


8 posted on 12/21/2004 10:55:56 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

He should have called this "Losing With Hatred"


9 posted on 12/21/2004 10:56:01 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ("Just because you were born stupid doesn't give you any right to be stupid!" - Paul Watson to Makahs)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Dara, strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!


10 posted on 12/21/2004 10:57:29 AM PST by Moral Hazard (With a pickle mind we kick the nipple beer.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

winning with hatred? and I thought John Kerry lost (both John Kerry's, John F. Kerry with 220 electoral votes, John L. Kerry with 31 electoral votes).


11 posted on 12/21/2004 10:58:24 AM PST by William of Orange (Does anybody know what time it is? Time to bomb Saddam!)
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To: The Loan Arranger

So Dara, I guess if those who vote for the protection of marriage are homophobic, those who vote for gay marriage are heterophobic, by your bizarre logic.


12 posted on 12/21/2004 10:59:07 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Atheist federal employees-- demand to work on Christmas!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
You want to see hate? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1305877/posts

Now that shows some genuine hatred by the leftists to their fellow (Red State) Americans.
13 posted on 12/21/2004 11:00:09 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

If you click the 'no comments' button on the article it turns out there are lots of comments. Most are extremely intolerant while decrying REPUBLICAN intolerance. The word I did not see, and do not xpect to hear from liberals is: RESPONSIBILITY. They want to care for the downtrodden, the sick, the weak, the poor, the dispossessed. Well, there are better ways than catching fish for all those folks. If only the libs had a clue. Bush is clever and stupid; the antiChrist and religious fanatic. I don't think they ever listen to anyone but themselves. Must be great to have all the answers..if only they could get us to listen.


14 posted on 12/21/2004 11:01:06 AM PST by papadoc1945
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To: The Loan Arranger
And I don’t know what to say. I can’t even muster up the righteous anger that several of my friends and family expressed. How does a progressive keep going after this?

Let's see. We smacked down your agenda yet you continue to cram it down our throats. "We" must change to suit the losing side's whims. "They" know what's best for us all.

I hope that they use Jim Jones' (D) recipe for the kool aid.

15 posted on 12/21/2004 11:02:00 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Neener neener neener.....

These fools have yet to get one simple thing we red state stupids see CLEARLY.

They have been shoving a racist, bigoted, sexist, and immoral agenda down our throats, all the while spouting from the roof tops that it is the Conservatives, the Republicans, that are the racists, bigots, the sexists, and the immoral. A vain attempt to cover what they have been doing for decades.

I enjoy pointing out the fact that we see through their smoke screen. The mirrors are broken, and the game is up. We got ya now you blue state liars, now you are going to get the dose of righteousness you have been begging for. Get ready for ten years or so of Minority status, it is gonna take at least that long to fix all the crap that you have messed up over the last 30. Buck up little campers, it's gonna be a long decade. Personally, I rejoice!
17 posted on 12/21/2004 11:02:17 AM PST by Danae (Dip bullets in Pig fat. Terrorist Kryptonite.)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Along with the anger, I’ve also heard a lot of disgust. Several people have said they feel ashamed to be an American, and I’ve heard “they deserve him” a couple of times. And true, that would be one way to react—the quasi-Leninist strain of showing the populace what the alternative is, so that eventually they will break and revolt.

But I don’t think that will ever happen.

Ah yes, the commie dream of overthrowing our democracy and having a full scale revolution.

F. Democrats. What they espouse these days is positively unAmerican.

18 posted on 12/21/2004 11:03:52 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
[ An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. ]

Most serious crime is perpetrated by repeat offenders.. Does she mean humane for the victims or humane for the inhumane.?. An obviously rhetorical question.. the answer is obvious..

19 posted on 12/21/2004 11:04:24 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Tuesday night, I went down to the graduate student lounge in my college....

Dara, I found your problem.

20 posted on 12/21/2004 11:04:52 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: The Loan Arranger
My father jokes, “Remember the Reagan years, when Republicans were happy to just ignore the poor people?” He’s right; those days seem like halcyon twilights of tolerance.

Ronald Reagan LEFT office in January 1989 (15 years ago). She is a graduate student (likely 22-25). I SERIOUSLY doubt that she has much of ANY memory of the Reagan years (seeing as how she was 7-10 years old when he LEFT office).

We all know that homelessness ONLY existed under Reagan/Bush and came back under George W. Bush. There never was any media coverage or leftist campaigns to sleep on the sidewalk during the Clinton years.

21 posted on 12/21/2004 11:07:39 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Winning with hatred: The Republican agenda

Well, I do not really have any feelings of love for these dirt bag demon rats.

22 posted on 12/21/2004 11:08:32 AM PST by Mark17
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To: The Loan Arranger
To tell the truth, I wasn’t expecting Kerry to win. But I wasn’t expecting this either. A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed. An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. The Senate Minority leader ousted for the first time in 52 years. The popular vote not only in Bush’s favor, but a few million people in his favor. The first actual majority vote for a President since his father in 1988.

How sweet it is!!!!!

23 posted on 12/21/2004 11:09:44 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: The Loan Arranger

Luckily, this is only the world according to Dana.

Hey Dana:

Cheney/Rumsfeld '08

:o)


24 posted on 12/21/2004 11:10:22 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah from the Family - Feliz Navidad *<[:o))))
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To: The Loan Arranger
Tuesday night, I went down to the graduate student lounge in my college ...

No need to read any further, is there?

25 posted on 12/21/2004 11:10:46 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: The Loan Arranger
Four years ago, Bush defeated John McCain in the Republican primary by starting a gossip campaign stating that McCain had a black child out of wedlock. This season, Republican operatives stood outside polling places where African-American congregations marched to after their services with signs saying things like “Gay Adoption Now!” matched with an actual Kerry/Edwards sign with a rainbow background.

Is that anything like flyering homes and businesses with a piece of paper that shows black men being hosed down by police in the 1960s and claiming that this is what you will get if you re-elect George Bush?

Is that anything like leading the nightly news with some forged "smoking gun" memos, attacking the critics of said documents, and also declaring that even if the memos are fakes we must consider the points that they raise?

Stop eating tinfoil!

26 posted on 12/21/2004 11:11:12 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed.

So, if I read this right, the author is saying that Californians never wanted the version of the 3-strikes law they got, but when given the chance to change this "unjust" law, they decided they wanted the version of the 3-strikes law they never wanted....????

Do leftists ever actually read what they write?

27 posted on 12/21/2004 11:11:13 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Resolved: That the Constitution confers upon Congress sovereign powers over the Territories of the United States for their government; and that in the exercise of this power, it is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism -- Polygamy, and Slavery. -Republican Party Platform of 1856

Nasty ol' Republicans have been against these "novel" marriage arrangements for more than 148 years now.

When, oh, when will the people WAKE UP????

/sarcasm

28 posted on 12/21/2004 11:12:05 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: The Loan Arranger

I don't know why this has a barf alert. I laughed all the way through it, especially this paragraph:

"To tell the truth, I wasn’t expecting Kerry to win. But I wasn’t expecting this either. A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed. An attempt to reform the Three Strikes law in California to a more humane standard (and one that most people thought they were voting for when the original proposition passed) failed. The Senate Minority leader ousted for the first time in 52 years. The popular vote not only in Bush’s favor, but a few million people in his favor. The first actual majority vote for a President since his father in 1988."

"This isn’t an election. This is a rout."

I read that part twice, for the fun of it. :)


29 posted on 12/21/2004 11:14:13 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Pookyhead
Hello Pookyhead,

Last time I checked homosexuals can get married just like everyone else.

No homosexual has ever been denied the right to get married.

31 posted on 12/21/2004 11:15:29 AM PST by expatguy ("Fallujah Delenda Est!")
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To: Darkwolf377
I wonder what Dara would call my neighbor, a young gay man who not only voted for the protection of marriage act here in Michigan--he lobbied for it.
32 posted on 12/21/2004 11:19:08 AM PST by grellis ("I went to a Basketball game and a Music Awards Ceremony broke out"--discipler)
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To: The Loan Arranger
My father tells me that when I was a child, my first steps of political activism were charmingly naive—I was calling up stores in the mall at 10 years old to say that they shouldn’t sell fur because it killed animals, because I was so sure that if I could just tell them, they would change. I just assumed that people did bad things because they didn’t know that what they were doing was wrong, and if I showed them, they would stop. I don’t know when it finally came home to me that sometimes people do the wrong thing because they didn’t care about injustice, or that they hold values that make an unjust result seem to them worth striving for.

Or perhaps it is because there is a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION about just what is right and what is wrong.

To Diarrhea, homosexuality is GOOD and MORAL, while killing animals for clothing (what about for food?) is WRONG and IMMORAL. Abortion is GOOD and MORAL while preventing the murder of small children is CRUEL and OPPRESSIVE. It is her opinion that our founding fathers were in ERROR including the Second Amendment (to protect the free speech assured by the First Amendment). Uncle Joe Stalin's socialism is GOOD while George W. Bush's War On Terror (including war on the nations that sponsor terrorism) is BAD.

They aren't liberals. They aren't progressives. They are socialists. Many are afraid to use that word because they feel it is "tainted" (and that it makes it easier for us to point them out as the Reds that they are). Others see it as a badge of honor (of course they still admire the Soviet Union).

33 posted on 12/21/2004 11:19:23 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: colorado tanker
Why can't these people understand that a majority just disagree with them and think they're wrong? Yet anybody who disagrees with them is immediately attacked as a hater, or a bigot, or ignorant, or you name it. What ugly, petulant, immature people.

tanker, they literally can't wrap their minds around the ideas and things that most of us in Flyover Country think is important or hold dear.

I voted they way I voted in part because I am sick & tired of having most of the things I hold dear spat upon and shat upon by my "betters" in the media and academia. And these selfsame arbiters of what they think is important or not never tire of shoving their "concerns" and opinions in our faces. Like the little tart who wrote this screed of low bigotry.

34 posted on 12/21/2004 11:19:32 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Maybe we realized the social programs they fought so hard for fifty years ago did not work and they spent trillions experimenting with them.


35 posted on 12/21/2004 11:24:31 AM PST by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Actually, at a second look, it's an interesting insight into the twisted logic the left employs. For instance:

"Four years ago, Bush defeated John McCain in the Republican primary by starting a gossip campaign stating that McCain had a black child out of wedlock."

Many of the folks in my church were going to vote for McCain in the primary until he called the Pat Robertson (and by extension) the Christian Right "evil". Overnight every person in my church changed their vote. This train of thought is beyond Dara. She is convinced it must be a dirty trick, somewhere.

After all, its just religion, its just a few nuts in the South, somewhere.


36 posted on 12/21/2004 11:25:03 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Rummyfan
I can’t believe that the politics of hatred and prejudice have become a better election tactic than running on your platform.

Well, it's worked for the Democrats for a hundred years, Dara.

37 posted on 12/21/2004 11:27:27 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: The Loan Arranger

At least we're winning...


39 posted on 12/21/2004 11:28:55 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: The Loan Arranger
...people care more about one person’s position on abortion than whether their own children have health care. People care more about preventing a loving, monogamous couple from having the same legal rights as everyone else than stopping transnational corporations from exporting their jobs. People care more about injuring the “others” they hate than helping the “us” we should love.

Parents are in charge of their children's health care. Some immunization is FREE yet parents don't get their children vaccinated. How many homes have cable tv and cellphones and internet? Don't tell me that it is the government's role to provide free health care. People have a budget. They can spend on essentials (including TAXES, shelter, food, clothing, transportation, education, and SAVINGS) or trivial things like fashion/entertainment/addictions/vacations.

The "monogamous couple" that overturned the nation's sodomy laws (even those that did not just prohibit homosexual sodomy) were alerted to the police by an abused lover/roommate of one of the two men. That lover is now dead, murdered in an unsolved crime, while the two sodomites charged in Texas that day are not together.

We were told that we were getting all bent out of shape over the judicial tyranny which created this new constitutional right to homosexuality (other sex acts between consenting adults like incest and prostitution are still illegal). Less than a year later we see pushes for same sex marriage (nationally recognized marriages), same sex adoption, same sex foster parenting... It is not about two people but how those two people can "norm" the abnormal in society.

The citizen can choose the company he works for. The citizen can choose the company he invests his money in. The exporting of jobs is nothing new. Lobby for increasing the minimum wage in OTHER countries to $8/hour and you might find some jobs returning to the US and some economic "refugees" finding profitable work in their homelands.

40 posted on 12/21/2004 11:29:31 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: backhoe
Some thoughtful analyst like a Michael Barone ought to look at the role of the way the left and their MSM allies conducted this campaign, because I think much of the unity on the right was due to the actions on the left. I am also sick and tired of the vitriol, name-calling and condescension. I'm tired of Hollywood and the MSM thinking they can tell me how to vote.

There have been great divisions among conservatives over the policies of the Bush administration, as illustrated by many threads on FR the past few years. Yet I've not seen conservatives and Republicans this unified since the 1984 election and I'm not sure we were as unified then. I think the reason in large part is the antics of Michael Moore, Dan Rather and the rest of the MSM, the drumbeat of crap like this article. And we can't forget the sheer in-your-face effrontery of the Dims nominating the man who attacked all Vietnam veterans as war criminals in the U.S. Senate.

41 posted on 12/21/2004 11:32:32 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker
What ugly, petulant, immature people.

Yes, and they're the real haters too.

42 posted on 12/21/2004 11:33:30 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: weegee

Look at this lovely message someone left to her:

My opinion is get Rove on his tricks. He seems to think that everything is fair game, then I assume his affairs, drug use, and the criminal records of his kids should be exploited. He is really the most horrific figure in American history. So there you go. Progessives spread out and speak to Karl Rove in the only language he can understand.
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43 posted on 12/21/2004 11:34:51 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Several people have said they feel ashamed to be an American


The problem with the left is they have always been ashamed to be Americans. And what ever happened to the promised Exodus to Canada and France? Just like the left: say what you feel, not what you mean.


44 posted on 12/21/2004 11:36:18 AM PST by superskunk (Quinn's Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Cheney/Rumsfeld '08

Be still my heart!

45 posted on 12/21/2004 11:36:33 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What she doesn't understand is that 'progressive' is not the proper definition of liberal behaviour.

The proper word is SELFDESTRUCTIVE, or is that two words.

46 posted on 12/21/2004 11:37:09 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: backhoe
they literally can't wrap their minds around the ideas and things that most of us in Flyover Country think is important or hold dear.

Exactly.

From the message board:

The truely sad thing of it is, those who put Bush back in office are the same ones being fleeced by his policies. Look at Ohio, which lost huge jobs, yet still gave its 20 to him. The military has large recruiment out of rural areas as well, and no wonder, when their schools are so bad and families so poor there aren't many options for the future..

The rural culture is very isolated and not particularly nomadic. People there believe strongly in their families and they hold tight to religious and moral values. Religion is indeed the opium of the people. It can be (and has been) twisted and manipulated in order to manipulate culture. But at the same time how we can we deny people the right to believe what they want?

I wish I knew what we could do exactly. One thing is for sure though. The USA is the biggest empire the world has ever seen, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

47 posted on 12/21/2004 11:38:06 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: The Loan Arranger
A score of homophobic bans on gay marriage passed.

So funny how they think people are afraid, or at least try to frame the arguement that way. Emotional, silly liberals. Differ? Yes. Afraid? No. Some sort of a phobia? No.

48 posted on 12/21/2004 11:41:43 AM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Howlin

How much you wanna bet the poster of those comments has never spent much time in a rural community? I'm sure they consider driving through Nebraska on I-80 with no stops as experiencing rural culture.

I'm amazed at the number of my co-workers, friends, etc that have no clue what rural life is like. And how arrogant they are about it. Yet, they know it all. Whatever.


49 posted on 12/21/2004 11:42:08 AM PST by kemathen7
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To: expatguy
Last time I checked homosexuals can get married just like everyone else.

No homosexual has ever been denied the right to get married.

Damn straight!

And last time I checked a woman had the right to do what she wanted with her body....except sell a kidney, sexual favors (some Nevada counties excepted), get a tatoo on her face (again, some areas may be excepted), and the ultimate expression of self-ownership: commit suicide. But "progressives" don't seem to have too much heartburn about having very few "rights" over those body parts.

50 posted on 12/21/2004 11:44:17 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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