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Swift Boat group still isn't through with Kerry Meeting In January To Focus On Vets [Jan 26 Orlando]
Kentucky.com ^ | Dec 19, 2004 | Bill Lambrecht

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:55:29 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

WASHINGTON - The end of the 2004 presidential election campaign doesn't spell the end of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the well-funded alliance of former servicemen that remains dedicated to preventing Sen. John Kerry from becoming president.

The group, which recently changed its name to Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, plans to convene next month to celebrate its successes and to consider speaking out further about Kerry's military service, his anti-war activities afterward, and other issues, says William E. Franke, who ran the organization's day-to-day operations.

In his first interview about his role in the anti-Kerry group, Franke, a Navy veteran who served briefly as publisher of the old St. Louis Globe-Democrat in the 1980s, said his group succeeded in its mission to discredit Kerry and may help distribute a controversial film attacking the Massachusetts senator.

Kerry has given no indication that he might seek the Democratic nomination in 2008 and would probably encounter resistance from many in his party if he did.

Nonetheless, Franke made clear that his disdain for Kerry had not abated and that his group was keeping a wary eye on the senator's activities.

Franke offered no new evidence for his claims that Kerry misstated facts about his Vietnam service.

But he said the swift boat group's members remained frustrated, feeling that the news media did not bore in sufficiently on what he regards as unanswered questions about Kerry's service records. He added that he was troubled by a political dust-up in Kerry's home state recently that may have cost the group's public relations firm, Virginia-based Creative Response Concepts, a contract with the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.

"They have called us rag merchants and liars and scum and every name under the sun. But what he has never done is respond substantively to our accusations," said Franke. He said the group might issue more "statements" about Kerry, but he wasn't specific.

Kerry spokesman David Wade repeated assertions from the campaign that Kerry made all his military records public except for private medical records, and that even those had been viewed by a group of reporters last spring.

"This was a smear campaign led by right-wing Republicans who were willing to lie because they hated John Kerry for having spoken out against the war in Vietnam after he came home," Wade said, responding to questions in an e-mail.

"There's a reason why Franke stayed in a secure, undisclosed location during the campaign: This man had no respect for the truth. ... History already has discredited Bill Franke and his right-wing crusade. His 15 minutes of fame are over," Wade said.

The ability of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and other "527s" to operate in the future as they did this year probably will depend on Congress. The 527s, so named for the tax code provision that governs them, emerged as a force this election as a result of what critics regard as a loophole in the recent campaign finance law.

Among the criticisms are that 527s operate with no donor limits and fewer reporting requirements. One of the legislation's main sponsors, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has vowed further efforts to rein them in.

The Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan watchdog group in Washington, reported Thursday that the 527 groups raised $434 million this year and "played a major role, perhaps a decisive role" in the election.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth raised $27.2 million, Franke said, most of it in a three-month period starting in July.

In one measure of success, a poll in 12 battleground states taken on election night by a Republican polling firm found that the swift boat veterans' ads were far more recognizable and had more impact than ads of pro-Kerry groups.

"Most people, even Democrats, grudgingly acknowledge that those ads were hugely effective," said Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity.

Franke referred to his group as "a substantive organization" and said it had a 150,000-strong donor list. He said it would be considering proposals related to veterans issues when members convene Jan. 26 in Orlando, Fla., for two days.



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KEYWORDS: 2004; hanoikerry; notfondakerry; sedition; swiftboat; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; swiftees; swifties; swiftvets; swiftvetsdotcom; traitor; treason; unfit; unfitforcommand; wintersoldierdotcom
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1 posted on 12/21/2004 3:55:29 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

NEVER FORGET or FORGIVE THE TRAITOR JOHN KERRY!


2 posted on 12/21/2004 3:57:49 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry SwiftBoat ping


3 posted on 12/21/2004 3:57:56 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Hmmm... when was the last time a losing candidate for the Presidency was the Candidate during the following Election?


4 posted on 12/21/2004 4:02:38 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: Mike Fieschko; ALOHA RONNIE; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; ..

Ping


5 posted on 12/21/2004 4:03:12 PM PST by JLO
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To: theDentist
Hmmm... when was the last time a losing candidate for the Presidency was the Candidate during the following Election?

Stevenson, 1956.
6 posted on 12/21/2004 4:07:13 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

Really? Thank you.


7 posted on 12/21/2004 4:10:30 PM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: Mike Fieschko

"Nonetheless, Franke made clear that his disdain for Kerry had not abated and that his group was keeping a wary eye on the senator's activities."

Salutes to the Truthful Spirit...
Truth is the honorable avenger.


8 posted on 12/21/2004 4:10:31 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Hallelujah - where do I sign up???

It ain't over till it's over - sign the 180, John - or go away.


9 posted on 12/21/2004 4:11:31 PM PST by mumzie (www.combatvetsagainstkerry.com)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Kerry has two choices...

1) Sign the 180.
2) STFU!


10 posted on 12/21/2004 4:20:21 PM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: MarineBrat
Kerry has two choices...

1) Sign the 180.
2) STFU!

I vote for #2...or, in the spirit of "Let's Make a Deal", let's find out what is behind door #3...(resign from public office immediately)

11 posted on 12/21/2004 4:25:52 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("You do what you got to do because it needs to get done." Tony Heigaard, U.S. Army)
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To: Mike Fieschko; All

Never Forget!

Sign up here:
http://www.swiftvets.com

Semper Fi,
Kelly


12 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:23 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: MarineBrat

Actually he could resign his Senate seat in shame (if he had any, which I doubt), or he could lose the next election. I would prefer the former, but if the later were to happen it would be pleasant.


13 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:33 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Mike Fieschko
The ability of ... "527s" to operate in the future ... probably will depend on Congress. The 527s... emerged as a force this election as a result of what critics regard as a loophole in the recent campaign finance law.

I know the perfect solution: pass a law that only Democrat leaning 527s are legal. Isn't that the dream solution of most 'Rats?

14 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:50 PM PST by C210N
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To: Mike Fieschko; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

Hanoi Kerry is in violation of

US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,
who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Violation of 18 USC 2381

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002381----000-.html

Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined
under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Violation of 18 USC 953

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html

Private correspondence with foreign governments
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States,
directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government
or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm

AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

Petition to Investigate and Indict
Hanoi Kerry for acts of treason

http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/

Timeline of Hanoi Kerry

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

VVAW, FBI files and John Kerry,
What stockpirate has found

http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/

Viet Nam Vets are NOT going away
until Hanoi Kerry is removed from office!

212 LINKS to Anti Kerry sites
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html

Contact your current
senators and representatives

and main stream right wing media

and find out why Hanoi Kerry still is in the US Senate.
Demand that this traitor is removed from the US Senate now!

Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


15 posted on 12/21/2004 4:27:10 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: Mike Fieschko

John Kerry isnt fit to be a Senator. If the Swiftees can defeat him in Mass. they will be doing Mass. a favor. Kerry has not signed the 180 ,if he is so squeaky clean why doesnt he? The Swift Boat vets are made up of many men who won medals one of them the CMH yet still articles insinuate they are a pack of liars.Open your records Kerry and lets see them.


16 posted on 12/21/2004 4:33:31 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: theDentist

Yes. I remember it. I was 9 years old.

He was a kind of pathetic figure. Especially up against Ike.


17 posted on 12/21/2004 4:35:09 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Big Swifties ~ Bump!


18 posted on 12/21/2004 4:35:53 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
The Swift Vets raised 27.2 million; what is the breakdown on the rest of the 434 million...who received/spent the rest? Isn't that an interesting thought...how do we find out?
19 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:11 PM PST by momf ( Immigrant =came the correct way; IIlegal = criminal)
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To: mumzie

AMEN! I think the 180 form needs to become a loud broken record in every media, venu, opportunity.


20 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:29 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Christian4Bush

I agree.

I think we need to make more noise about the illegality of him running for office of any kind much more public.


21 posted on 12/21/2004 4:37:14 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump!!


22 posted on 12/21/2004 4:38:46 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Mike Fieschko
".....changed its name to Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, plans to convene next month.... "

kerry, you lying b@stard, not all of them are back, but some of us will never forget, and will be honored to represent them.

You weren't there long enough to build a lot of memories, so I'll help you out....we used to have a saying..."War is hell, but payback is a mother f*****."

Try to work that into your next campaign...think of it as a string around your finger.

23 posted on 12/21/2004 4:38:57 PM PST by 506trooper (There is no such thing as too much ammo or fuel on board.........unless you're on fire)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Good for them. This clown still holds a high office and is capable of the continued undermining of the US.

Git em!

24 posted on 12/21/2004 4:40:40 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: RKV

Under Art III Sec 3 of the Constitution, Kerry is not qualified to be a Senator. We should have him removed.


25 posted on 12/21/2004 4:42:00 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: momf

what is the breakdown on the rest of the 434 million...who received/spent the rest?




http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.asp?level=C&cycle=2004


26 posted on 12/21/2004 4:45:07 PM PST by deport
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To: theDentist

Probably the last loosing candidate to run again four years later was Adlai Stevenson. He ran in 1952 against Eisenhower, lost, and ran again in 1956 against Eisenhower and lost again.

For the record, John F'n Kerry is no Adlai Stevenson.


27 posted on 12/21/2004 5:05:07 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Mike Fieschko

This reminds me... I have been trying to find a "Hanoi John" urinal sticker... also a "Hahoi Jane" urinal sticker, but have thus far only located the Jane version. Also, the web sites I've found it on are ones that I've been hesitant to give my credit card. Anyone have a good spot to purchase them?


28 posted on 12/21/2004 5:06:03 PM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: deport
Thank you. I appreciate that breakdown.
29 posted on 12/21/2004 5:18:18 PM PST by momf ( Immigrant =came the correct way; IIlegal = criminal)
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To: Mike Fieschko

If Kerry thinks he'll be successful four years from now, he'd better start watching his back. Hillary will have him Vince Fosterized in a New York minute. She's certainly not going to let the likes of him get in her way. I'd pay admission to watch that match.


30 posted on 12/21/2004 5:28:53 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: Mike Fieschko
and POWs For Truth?

John McCain may be in trouble. He teamed up with Kerry on those Vietnam junkets that didn't help get back our POWs.

31 posted on 12/21/2004 5:30:43 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: everyone

Excellent. Keep after him, Swifties!


32 posted on 12/21/2004 5:33:07 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: holyscroller
If Kerry thinks he'll be successful four years from now, he'd better start watching his back. Hillary will have him Vince Fosterized in a New York minute. She's certainly not going to let the likes of him get in her way. I'd pay admission to watch that match.

The National Lampoon once featured a computerized dream fight between William Calley and Charles Manson. Hillary vs the gigolo would be in that sort of category.

33 posted on 12/21/2004 5:35:28 PM PST by judywillow
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To: Mike Fieschko
Thank God someone is dogging Kerry's every step..
Kerry is just a poster boy for many many others..
When, and if, Kerry falls... many other roaches will run for the woodwork.. to hide..
Americas kitchen is filthy..
34 posted on 12/21/2004 5:46:43 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Swift Boat Vets ping.


35 posted on 12/21/2004 5:57:10 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Mike Fieschko
That's good. Just goes to show you that they say what they mean and mean what they say......


36 posted on 12/21/2004 6:13:13 PM PST by b4its2late (Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Good. Target this socialist so he cannot even attempt to give Hitlery a run for her money in '08.


37 posted on 12/21/2004 6:56:24 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Swiftees need to concentrate on running that miserable, dishonorable sonofabitch out of the Senate and then out of the United States!

I'll continue to contribute to them if they take on that action plan!


38 posted on 12/21/2004 7:26:23 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: JLO

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 12/21/2004 8:26:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mike Fieschko
"Most people, even Democrats, grudgingly acknowledge that those ads were hugely effective," said Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity

Actually, I believe the ads themselves were less effective then they were / are given credit for.

It was the response of the Democrats themselves to the SB and POW veterans that did the most damage, IMHO.

Individual behavior counts a lot more than an accusation.

When the Democrats attacked the SBVT, and did so viciously, the American people were able to see the black heart of the Democrats. It was ugly.

Personally, I was / am a lot more riled up by the Democrats, such as Larry O'Donnel and now Mike McCurry than I ever was by the SBVT ads themselves.

These people are ugly (I mean that in terms of their spirit). I think most people were disgusted.

As much as this evokes a very negative emotion in me, I hope the Demoncrats never learn this lesson. Indeed, if you listen to all of the post-election discussion among Democrats, their opinion is that they did not respond strongly enough!!! Good. It will hurt them even more the next time.

40 posted on 12/21/2004 8:57:16 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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To: Alberta's Child

Oh boy, they are on Kerry like stink on sh!t, LOL.


41 posted on 12/21/2004 9:03:54 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
and to consider speaking out further about Kerry's military service, his anti-war activities afterward, and other issues

Let's hope and pray they by-pass consider and keep on doing the job they have so bravely embarked. We need their leadership in this endeavor.

Vietnam Vet BTTT

42 posted on 12/21/2004 10:26:06 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!)
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To: JLO; Mike Fieschko
Kerry spokesman David Wade repeated assertions from the campaign that Kerry made all his military records public except for private medical records, and that even those had been viewed by a group of reporters last spring.

I see Kerry folks are STILL lying. Kerry did NOT release his military records. He NEVER did sign form 180 authorizing their release.

I HIGHLY suspect that Kerry's discharge was something OTHER that honorable.


43 posted on 12/22/2004 1:43:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: JLO; Mike Fieschko
Darn fingers! That s/b "..... thaN honorable."

44 posted on 12/22/2004 1:45:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!


45 posted on 12/22/2004 3:05:46 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: KeyLargo

Never Forget the Liar Senator Kennedy!


46 posted on 12/22/2004 6:25:40 AM PST by Wizard73 (What do you call 1000 ACLU Lawyers buried up to their neck in Snake country? Gophers!)
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To: judywillow

Bottom Line Bill has the Crew to help Hillary solve the problem Kerry might cause to her run to the white House!
Hillary and Ted in the next election! Them Against who????


47 posted on 12/22/2004 6:34:28 AM PST by Wizard73 (What do you call 1000 ACLU Lawyers buried up to their neck in Snake country? Gophers!)
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To: shubi

Post 15 lays the case out pretty clearly doesn't it.


48 posted on 12/22/2004 8:12:54 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: C210N
I know the perfect solution: pass a law that only Democrat leaning 527s are legal. Isn't that the dream solution of most 'Rats?

That's probably the "solution" McCain favors too.

50 posted on 12/22/2004 8:58:02 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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