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Women Warriors From Amazon Fought For Britain's Roman Army
The Times (UK) ^ | 12-22-2004 | Lewis Smith

Posted on 12/22/2004 10:29:18 AM PST by blam

December 22, 2004

Women warriors from Amazon fought for Britain's Roman army

By Lewis Smith

THE remains of two Amazon warriors serving with the Roman army in Britain have been discovered in a cemetery that has astonished archaeologists. Women soldiers were previously unknown in the Roman army in Britain and the find at Brougham in Cumbria will force a reappraisal of their role in 3rd-century society.

The women are thought to have come from the Danube region of Eastern Europe, which was where the Ancient Greeks said the fearsome Amazon warriors could be found.

The women, believed to have died some time between AD220 and 300, were burnt on pyres upon which were placed their horses and military equipment. The remains were uncovered in the 1960s but full-scale analysis and identification has been possible only since 2000 with technological advances.

The soldiers are believed to have been part of the numerii, a Roman irregular unit, which would have been attached to a legion serving in Britain. Other finds show that their unit originated from the Danubian provinces of Noricum, Pannonia and Ilyria which now form parts of Austria, Hungary and the former Yugoslavia.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: amazon; ancientautopsies; archaeology; army; britains; fought; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; militarywomen; roman; romanempire; sarmatians; warriors; women
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1 posted on 12/22/2004 10:29:21 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Women Warriors From Amazon Fought For Britain's Roman Army

Amazon.com was around back then? (c8

2 posted on 12/22/2004 10:30:52 AM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.


3 posted on 12/22/2004 10:31:08 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Women warriors from Amazon fought for Britain's Roman army

South America? How'd they get to Britain?

4 posted on 12/22/2004 10:31:58 AM PST by Tax-chick (Jesus is the reason for the season which begins at sundown on December 24.)
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To: blam

Does Jeff Bezos know about this?


5 posted on 12/22/2004 10:32:31 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Tax-chick
How'd they get to Britain?

Same way the coconut halves King Arthur's squire was clapping together got there...obviously carried there by a sparrow.

6 posted on 12/22/2004 10:32:56 AM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: blam

Yeah well go to any mall this time of year and you'll see that those fearsome amazon warriers are still alive and battling to this very day!~}


7 posted on 12/22/2004 10:33:31 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: blam
However, the unit came from the area where the Ancient Greeks placed the origin of women warriors called Amazons.

NOT from South America...

8 posted on 12/22/2004 10:33:36 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Poohbah

Well duh, where's my brain today?!


9 posted on 12/22/2004 10:34:59 AM PST by Tax-chick (Jesus is the reason for the season which begins at sundown on December 24.)
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To: blam
Xena and Gabrielle? Nooooooooooo!
10 posted on 12/22/2004 10:35:39 AM PST by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: blam

Are they sure these weren't just some camp followers polishing some soldiers sword ?


11 posted on 12/22/2004 10:35:43 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Xenalyte

I just had to ping ya.


12 posted on 12/22/2004 10:36:31 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Tax-chick
Women warriors from Amazon fought for Britain's Roman army

Hey, they just worked for Amazon on the weekends! Duh!

13 posted on 12/22/2004 10:36:38 AM PST by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: Tax-chick

The old Chunnel.......


14 posted on 12/22/2004 10:36:40 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Poohbah

African or European?


15 posted on 12/22/2004 10:37:12 AM PST by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: Squantos

Unless the men liked women dressed in armor . . . and also awarded them full military honors in burial, it sounds unlikely.


16 posted on 12/22/2004 10:39:22 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: blam
The women are thought to have come from the Danube region of Eastern Europe

This is code for: "They hadn't shaved their underarms".

17 posted on 12/22/2004 10:39:43 AM PST by scouse
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To: Poohbah
..obviously carried there by a sparrow.

Mandatory Python related A Møøse once bit my sister ... BTTT

18 posted on 12/22/2004 10:40:31 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: 50sDad; Xenalyte
Xena and Gabrielle? Nooooooooooo!

If you are going to discuss her it is good manners to ping her.

19 posted on 12/22/2004 10:41:48 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: blam
Women warriors from Amazon fought for Britain's Roman army

Misleading headline. Women of "high status" were found buried with some military equipment. Doesn't mean they were warriors or fought--may have been just protocol or else they were military leaders like Queen Boudica or Golda Meir; i.e. in charge based on their position but in no way actually doing the fighting. Every time a female is found buried anywhere near some armor or a sword, this kind of nonsense about women warriors comes out.

As for the location of the original Amazons, just remember that the same writing describing them also described Medusa and the Minotaur.

20 posted on 12/22/2004 10:41:55 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: blam

BTTT


21 posted on 12/22/2004 10:43:54 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: blam
During that era, there was a British warrior queen. I believe her name was something like Boedicia.
22 posted on 12/22/2004 10:43:58 AM PST by fso301
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To: blam

23 posted on 12/22/2004 10:44:11 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: 50sDad

Swallow, actually. I believe it was African. No wait. European.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!


24 posted on 12/22/2004 10:44:20 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: 2banana

"NOT from South America..."

No, Amazon women are from the moon.


25 posted on 12/22/2004 10:48:31 AM PST by Moral Hazard (With a pickle mind we kick the nipple beer.)
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To: af_vet_1981; 50sDad

LOL

Actually I believe he was discussing the two characters from Xena, Warrior Princess.

Used to be one of my favorites shows. :-)


26 posted on 12/22/2004 10:50:50 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: blam
This is completely contrary to the Xena time-line. I would suggest that they consult season four of Xena. A sad note is that Season four also marks the beginning of Gab's decent into short hairedness. ...sigh

If you make a chart of Gabrielle's cuteness from season to season (not that I've done this, not at all, I'm just saying) you will see a sharp decline in cuteness after episodes XIV-XVI during which she cuts her hair. It starts to rise again during the Sahara desert journey (mostly due to the lack of clothing) and then trends back down again.

If you set this (purely theoretical) chart alongside a chart of her hair length you will see a definite correlation.

27 posted on 12/22/2004 10:51:10 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: blam

Pictures????


28 posted on 12/22/2004 10:51:20 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: Squantos

They were more than likely wives of the irregular troops. In those days wives and children used to regularly go along with their menfolk on military campaigns.


29 posted on 12/22/2004 11:00:41 AM PST by attiladhun2
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To: fso301
Boudicca
30 posted on 12/22/2004 11:00:46 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democrat Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: blam

Last, from the Volscians fair Camilla came,
And led her warlike troops, a warrior dame;
Unbred to spinning, in the loom unskill'd,
She chose the nobler Pallas of the field.
Mix'd with the first, the fierce virago fought,
Sustain'd the toils of arms, the danger sought,
Outstripp'd the winds in speed upon the plain,
Flew o'er the fields, nor hurt the bearded grain:
She swept the seas, and, as she skimm'd along,
Her flying feet unbath'd on billows hung.
Men, boys, and women, stupid with surprise,
Where'er she passes, fix their wond'ring eyes:
Longing they look, and, gaping at the sight,
Devour her o'er and o'er with vast delight;
Her purple habit sits with such a grace
On her smooth shoulders, and so suits her face;
Her head with ringlets of her hair is crown'd,
And in a golden caul the curls are bound.
She shakes her myrtle jav'lin; and, behind,
Her Lycian quiver dances in the wind.

-Virgil, Aeneid, Bk VII (Dryden translation)


31 posted on 12/22/2004 11:02:49 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Poohbah
Wow I almost missed this thread.

Where are the pictures???

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

32 posted on 12/22/2004 11:09:20 AM PST by expatguy ("Fallujah Delenda Est!")
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To: Poohbah

I'll bet if they dig deeper, they will find some Ebay-ers too. From Ebay-ria.


33 posted on 12/22/2004 11:09:35 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: af_vet_1981

You sweetie! Thanks! ;)


34 posted on 12/22/2004 11:22:55 AM PST by Xenalyte (Surf's up, space ponies! I'm making gravy without the lumps!)
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To: mark502inf
Misleading headline.

Isn't that the purpose of most headlines these days? I think that's what they learn in headline writer class (Headlines 101: Theory and Application.). The headline should have the thinnest possible connection with the content of the article and inject as many lurid adjectives as possible in order to sell newspapers.

35 posted on 12/22/2004 11:23:37 AM PST by siunevada
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To: Constitution Day; 50sDad
Let the record show that I, for one, am alive and kicking in Houston, where we might actually have - get this - SNOW this week.

The annoying blonde sidekick, I have no idea where she is. Listen for the sound of irritation, and there she'll be.
36 posted on 12/22/2004 11:24:19 AM PST by Xenalyte (Surf's up, space ponies! I'm making gravy without the lumps!)
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To: prairiebreeze

Boudicca

I know the BBC and Brits call her british, but I think she was Scotts. Just a little imperial revisionism, I think?

I'll have to look up the article, so don't beat my head in.


37 posted on 12/22/2004 11:27:05 AM PST by Al Gator
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To: fso301
During that era, there was a British warrior queen. I believe her name was something like Boedicia.

Her name must be the root of the redneck term "bodacious", which usually refers to an attractive female. :^)

38 posted on 12/22/2004 11:32:17 AM PST by Disambiguator
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Given the region of orgin (the Danube basin) and time period (before the Huns), it is probable that these women were Sarmatians. The Sarmatians, like their Scythian relatives, had noble female warriors. Like Scythians they fought from horseback. A core of armored lancers surrounded by swarms of light horse archers like the later Parthians.


39 posted on 12/22/2004 11:41:57 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: scouse
This is code for: "They hadn't shaved their underarms".

That would be french female soldiers.

40 posted on 12/22/2004 11:42:07 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: blam


41 posted on 12/22/2004 11:43:56 AM PST by mhking
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To: blam
There was nothing in that article to suggest that they were soldiers at all!

They may have simply been favored concubines.

Smell the agenda....

42 posted on 12/22/2004 11:45:03 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Poohbah
obviously carried there by a sparrow.

Under his dorsal feathers or hers?

Seriesly, it's not a question of where he grips it....

43 posted on 12/22/2004 11:49:24 AM PST by Terabitten (Time to die, nerd boy!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

This is obvious crap.

Julius Caesar would certainly have mentioned any Amazons with the army since undoubtably they would have been in many memorable mud wrestling sessions.


44 posted on 12/22/2004 11:50:33 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Al Gator
I know the BBC and Brits call her british, but I think she was Scotts.

Scottish? No, she came from East Anglia. Can't get more English than that. I live 5 mins walk from one of the Roman temples she burned down.
45 posted on 12/22/2004 12:05:22 PM PST by pau1f0rd (a British citizen)
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To: Hatteras

"I guess this is what my horoscope meant by 'kaboom!'"


46 posted on 12/22/2004 12:18:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Thanks Blam.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
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The GGG Digest
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47 posted on 12/22/2004 12:18:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Al Gator
so don't beat my head in.

Wouldn't think of it. It's Christmas after all. ;^)

48 posted on 12/22/2004 12:30:43 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democrat Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: avg_freeper
Gabrielle went down hill as soon as they decided she needed to be fighting alongside Xena and the lesbianism became more overt. It ware pretty inevitable, actaully. I didn't think that television would long put up with an intelligent but feminine virgin. I was right.
50 posted on 12/22/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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