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California company sells cloned cat, generating ethics debate
AP ^ | 12/22/4 | PAUL ELIAS

Posted on 12/22/2004 3:55:52 PM PST by SmithL

SAN FRANCISCO -- The first cloned-to-order pet sold in the United States is named Little Nicky, an eight-week-old kitten delivered to a Texas woman saddened by the loss of a cat she had owned for 17 years.

The kitten cost its owner $50,000 and was cloned from a beloved cat, named Nicky, that died last year. Nicky's owner banked the cat's DNA, which was used to create the clone.

"He is identical. His personality is the same," the woman told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

The company, Sausalito-based Genetic Savings and Clone, made her available to speak to reporters only on condition that her name or hometown not be used. The woman said she fears being the target of groups opposed to cloning.

"Nicky loved water, which is an unusual characteristic of cats. Little Nicky jumped into my bath," said the woman, who said she is in her early 40s and employed in the airline industry.

The company delivered Little Nicky two weeks ago and was expected to publicly announced the news Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cats; clone; cloning

Julie holds Little Nicky, the first cloned cat sold by the Sausalito-based Genetic Savings and Clone.


Little Nicky was cloned from a deceased cat owned by a Texas woman.

1 posted on 12/22/2004 3:55:52 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Ethical issues aside, that is one adorable kitten.


2 posted on 12/22/2004 3:57:19 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

It is adorable. On the other hand I'm sure her local humane society has more than a few just as cute.


3 posted on 12/22/2004 4:01:11 PM PST by AirForceMom (Merry Christmas!)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Ethical issues aside, that is one adorable kitten.

Its fur is poisonous quills, and it can shoot heat rays out of its eyes.

4 posted on 12/22/2004 4:02:43 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: SmithL

Did anyone see that Schwartzenegger movie where they have stores like these at malls called: REPET.


5 posted on 12/22/2004 4:03:36 PM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Ethical issues aside, that is one adorable kitten.

Yeah, and the cat she's holding is cute too. :-)

6 posted on 12/22/2004 4:05:07 PM PST by bob808
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To: Lazamataz
Its fur is poisonous quills, and it can shoot heat rays out of its eyes.

Like this?


7 posted on 12/22/2004 4:07:07 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: bob808

LOL! Now, Bob...


8 posted on 12/22/2004 4:07:27 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Somewhat like that.

Only cloney-er.

9 posted on 12/22/2004 4:10:34 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: AirForceMom

I agree. All of my cats came from the humane society or were strays I picked up. Paying $50,000 for a feline friend is demented.


10 posted on 12/22/2004 4:12:41 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: Lazamataz
Its fur is poisonous quills, and it can shoot heat rays out of its eyes.

And it knows what you're thinking. Better think only good thoughts or it will preemptively urinate on your bed sheets. Beware the cloned cats.

11 posted on 12/22/2004 4:12:42 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: ross_poldark

Our local shelter is in trouble ( like everything else in NY). She could have adopted a kitten for $50.00 and donated the rest to her SPCA. $50 grand.......I wonder what something as big as a horse might cost?


12 posted on 12/22/2004 4:18:20 PM PST by AirForceMom (Merry Christmas!)
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To: ross_poldark

It is for people with more dollars than sense. Kalifornia, what a surprise.


13 posted on 12/22/2004 4:21:06 PM PST by stm
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To: stm

A fool and his money are soon parted . . .


14 posted on 12/22/2004 4:30:29 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: bob808
I'm still waiting for delivery of the Kobe Tai clone I ordered.
If a small cat was $50,000 I hate to think what my bill will be.
15 posted on 12/22/2004 4:36:14 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: AirForceMom

I live in the SF Bay area and the shelters around here are hard up, too. With so many cats running around Oakland, I can have my pick, just by giving them some food and water. It gets a cat off the street, frees up space at the SPCA, and I get a pet.


16 posted on 12/22/2004 4:36:28 PM PST by ross_poldark (I have dogs, too!)
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To: ross_poldark

Two of our three cats were strays that found us. We fed them, captured them, took them the vet for shots and spaying, and we're all happy. Why pay $50,000 for a clone when there are so many stray or abandoned little animals that need a home?


17 posted on 12/22/2004 4:39:48 PM PST by .38sw
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To: ross_poldark

For someone with $100,000.00, $50,000.00 might seem like a huge sum...For someone with $100,000,000.00, $50,000.00 is a mere pittance..

It is all a matter of perspective...


18 posted on 12/22/2004 4:40:19 PM PST by dakine
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To: SmithL
Here we goooooo......

It is NOT the cat that died but I suppose some fool will think their lost spouse,child or worker can be cloned and will be the same as the original.

19 posted on 12/22/2004 4:40:50 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: ross_poldark

Good for you! My daughter wanted to get her cat a buddy, so we checked out PetSmart. They had a beautiful grey and black cat that was picked up as a stray. Everyone had told us she didn't want a stray, it would be mean. This cat is nicer than her homegrown and raised cat.


20 posted on 12/22/2004 4:41:46 PM PST by AirForceMom (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Lazamataz
Its fur is poisonous quills, and it can shoot heat rays out of its eyes

Sign that one up for the Viking Kittens.
21 posted on 12/22/2004 4:48:48 PM PST by BJClinton (A Perfect Rovian Storm)
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To: ross_poldark

"Paying $50,000 for a feline friend is demented."

Agreed. However, like anything else, the more common this practice becomes, the lower the price will eventually be.


22 posted on 12/22/2004 4:48:51 PM PST by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: NCPAC

Yes, the price will eventually go down. But with so many cats running around, free for the taking, why spend an arm and a leg for one?


23 posted on 12/22/2004 4:57:55 PM PST by ross_poldark (I have dogs, too!)
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To: ross_poldark

Its her money fer cryin out loud - she can do whatever she wants with it. Sheesh!


24 posted on 12/22/2004 5:03:50 PM PST by corkoman (Logged in - have you?)
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To: hoosierham
Already happens, to a certain extent. A few years back my wife met a couple who were at their wits end with their six year old son. The mother explained that they'd previously conceived another son by IVF, and that the extra embryo's had been banked. Sadly, that little boy was killed when he ran into the street and was hit by a car.

So what did the grieving parents do? They defrosted those embryo's to "make him again"...by their reasoning the second child should have been a "twin" since they were conceived at the same time. These wierdo's even gave the new kid THE SAME NAME as the dead one when he was born.

But they weren't the same. The first boy had curly hair, and the second straight...so the mother had his hair curled regularly. The first boy was quiet, and liked to sit for hours reading his books, while the second wanted to climb trees and play baseball all day...so the mother banned sporting goods from their home and required him to read alone in his room. The first boy was well behaved, while the second threw temper tantrums all the time...so the mother had him drugged up on Ritalin.

It's sad really, because my wife (who has a degree in child psychology and early childhood education) only saw them a couple of times. The mother was adamant that there was something wrong with her child and wanted him "fixed", but after my wife gingerly suggested that she go into counseling herself, the mother exploded, stormed out, and never came back.

These kinds of stories are just going to become more common when cloning reaches us humans. Our personalities and traits are developed though experience and chance, and have little to do with our genetic code. Even identical twins often have extremely divergent personalities and interests...people who assume that cloning will bring their loved ones back are going to be extremely disappointed.
25 posted on 12/22/2004 5:04:53 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: SmithL

I also have a cloned cat for sale. Please Freepmail me with your offers. Certified by the ACSPCA (American Cloning Society for the Preservation of Cats in America). It's a great investment that will only increase in value (well, until it dies - sell it before then).


26 posted on 12/22/2004 5:09:37 PM PST by searchandrecovery (Smells like teen spirit.)
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To: ross_poldark

If one is faced with taxes or cloned cat - choose the cloned cat.


27 posted on 12/22/2004 5:34:17 PM PST by GladesGuru
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To: hoosierham

"Sometimes, dead is bettah..."


28 posted on 12/22/2004 5:41:59 PM PST by patton (Changing culture is like moving a cemetary. You don't get much help from the residents.)
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To: searchandrecovery
well, until it dies - sell it before then

Nono... when it dies, you just clone it again.

29 posted on 12/22/2004 5:54:48 PM PST by transhumanist (Science must trump superstition)
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To: SmithL

We just had made heartbreaking decision to put our beloved 20 year old cat Mindy to sleep. She had recently developed a thyroid condition, and couldn't find off the problem because, the vet said, of her age. She was suffering so, and after selfishly trying to keep our friend and loved one with us for several weeks while she wasted away, we sadly took her in and said a tearful goodbye.

I used to call her my first born, as our daughter didn't come until three years later. LOL :)

I can understand this lady's decision, but for the outrageous cost and the abundance of cats already needing good homes. But I can't think of her without breaking into tears.

I miss my cat!!


30 posted on 12/22/2004 6:23:15 PM PST by ShellieGOP
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To: ross_poldark
All of my cats came from the humane society or were strays I picked up.

Heck, I don't even have to go get them. They just appear, cats and their kittens.

31 posted on 12/22/2004 6:41:56 PM PST by exDemMom (Hooah.)
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To: SmithL

All your DNA are belong to me!

/humor

32 posted on 12/22/2004 6:54:55 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Never underestimate the power of a cacophony of Cowbells played in unison...It shocks the mind.)
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To: SmithL

"The kitten cost its owner $50,000"

I just spit Reisling all over my monitor.

That's one pricey kitten.


33 posted on 12/22/2004 7:10:40 PM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: ross_poldark

Hey, I wouldn't spend that type of cash for a cloned (or non-cloned) pet even if I had that kind of money. However, it's her money and she can spend it as she sees fit. My only point was that the price for such services will eventually drop.

Within ten years, cloned and or designer pets will likely be a growth industry, the stocks of companies engaged in said services being traded on Wall Street.


34 posted on 12/22/2004 7:42:42 PM PST by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: SmithL

35 posted on 12/22/2004 8:54:09 PM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter - 2008)
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To: SmithL

Why does a winsome picture of Tatum O' Neal come fluttering across my mind's eye like the pages of a newly minted book?


36 posted on 12/22/2004 10:26:38 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: Arthalion

I'm leaning toward the hard-wired theory myself.


37 posted on 12/22/2004 10:28:39 PM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: SmithL
The kitten cost its owner $50,000 and was cloned from a beloved cat, named Nicky, that died last year.

I'll bet $1,000 right here and now that the owner is a complete and total psycho-b!tch.

38 posted on 12/22/2004 10:31:14 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (I know a great deal about the Middle East because Ive been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: ShellieGOP

I understand your feelings. My wife's cat, which she'd had since she was 12 years old, died a little over a month ago, after a long life of 19 years. The poor thing quit eating and we knew it was the end for her. I gave her a nice burial.


39 posted on 12/23/2004 11:39:43 AM PST by ross_poldark (I have dogs, too!)
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To: LibertyGirl77

What is the bet this kitty gets run over within the week?


40 posted on 12/23/2004 11:50:45 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: AirForceMom

When will they come up with designer kittens? They are to live for 20-30 years, but remain kittens and never grow up (physiologically or psychologically) beyond, say, the state of 2-3 months old kitten. THAT could be worth 50K.


41 posted on 12/23/2004 4:41:44 PM PST by GSlob
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