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Name that rocket. (Military experts please)
http://users.wi.net/~johnh/Name_That_Rocket.jpg ^ | 12/23/04 | 12/23/04

Posted on 12/23/2004 6:19:28 AM PST by ChadGore



TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: at4; at5; whateverittakes
With special thanks to FReeper Texcat, who always keeps up with the latest in Fallujah, I ran across this picture the other day, and I do not recognise the rocket being used.


This is an image of an AT4 rocket, a shoulder launch, line of sight rocket for US infantry.

I saw something about there being a new AT5, but the sighting mechnisism was nothing like this one.

Can anyone help?

1 posted on 12/23/2004 6:19:28 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: ChadGore

What's he shooting? BUMP !


2 posted on 12/23/2004 6:20:37 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,019,003 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore
Chad,

You are correct...The pic is of an AT4 rocket

3 posted on 12/23/2004 6:21:05 AM PST by Fedupwithit (Republicans know what's right. Democrats think they know what's right for you.)
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To: ChadGore

I believe that is a SMAW.

More in a minute.


4 posted on 12/23/2004 6:21:35 AM PST by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
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To: ChadGore

I want to say a Stinger, but what flys in Iraq besides friendlies?


5 posted on 12/23/2004 6:22:20 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah!!!)
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To: American_Centurion

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/smaw.htm

See link.


6 posted on 12/23/2004 6:22:21 AM PST by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
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To: ChadGore
Not too sure, looks like the modern day bazooka.

I like this one better though--it is called the MPIM/SRAW.


7 posted on 12/23/2004 6:23:01 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: ChadGore

Interesting - both are wearing thier "cod" pieces


8 posted on 12/23/2004 6:23:14 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ChadGore

Are they legal for deer hunting?


9 posted on 12/23/2004 6:23:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I was born to be naughty and Santa knows it.......must be why I only get socks and underwear)
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To: American_Centurion

Hey Santa, got a minute?


10 posted on 12/23/2004 6:24:10 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah!!!)
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To: ChadGore

Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW)

Primary function: Portable anti-armor rocket launcher. Length: To Carry: 29.9 inches (75.95 centimeters)
Ready-to-Fire: 54 inches (137.16 cm)
Weight: To Carry: 16.6 pounds (7.54 kg)
Ready-to-Fire (HEDP): 29.5 pounds (13.39 kg)
Ready-to-Fire (HEAA): 30.5 pounds (13.85 kg)
Bore diameter: 83mm
Maximum effective range: 1 x 2 Meter Target: 250 meters
Tank-Sized Target: 500 meters
Introduction date: 1984
Unit Replacement Cost: $13,000

11 posted on 12/23/2004 6:24:53 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SirLurkedalot
Re: I want to say a Stinger

I thought that at first also, but
1) There are no enemy air threats in Iraq
2) That back end of this thing is clearly an AT4 rocket tube.

Also, the stinger has these 2 sheet-metal-things that pop up in your line of sight.

12 posted on 12/23/2004 6:25:18 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,019,003 Bush fans.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
ReAre they legal for deer hunting?

LOL !

13 posted on 12/23/2004 6:27:10 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,019,003 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore

Looks like a stinger, but no shield. It is a SMAW.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/smaw.htm


14 posted on 12/23/2004 6:27:28 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: SkyPilot
Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon

Since the "assault weapon" ban expired, does that mean I can get one for Christmas?

15 posted on 12/23/2004 6:28:41 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: ChadGore

Yep. The no air threat thing was the clincher. I thought the shadow in the middle might have been the seeker-head-coolant thingamabob(real technical huh?). Granted, Discovery/History Channel viewing hardly makes me an expert. Just an enthusiast. Formula: Goes "BOOM" or flings lead, SirL likes it.


16 posted on 12/23/2004 6:31:32 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah!!!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I wanna duck hunt with this thing . . lol
17 posted on 12/23/2004 6:31:44 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,019,003 Bush fans.)
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To: American_Centurion
Well, that took all of four posts.

It would take half an hour anywhere else on the net!

18 posted on 12/23/2004 6:32:34 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: SkyPilot
Unit Replacement Cost: $13,000

Santa, baby...

19 posted on 12/23/2004 6:32:42 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: ChadGore

Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon? ;-)


20 posted on 12/23/2004 6:33:14 AM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: ChadGore
Note that the other soldier seems to have one on his back. I guess they extend for firing. Nice small package will fit under the tree...
21 posted on 12/23/2004 6:36:15 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: ChadGore

It is clearly a SMAW. See post above for details. The SMAW is an Israeli-developed weapon used by the Marine Corps. It has a launcher unit (with a built-in spotting rifle and optical sight)and various self-contained projectiles that lock onto the rear of the launcher unit. (That's the AT-4 looking portion of the picture that is causing some confusion).

The Marine Corps has a replacement program for the SMAW (imaginatively called FOTS - Follow On To SMAW) that, if successful, will provide a fire from enclosure (FFE) capability and provide a thermobaric projectile (blast overpressure like FAE).


22 posted on 12/23/2004 6:36:33 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: ChadGore

One neat thing about this weapon system is there is a training mockup (full scale) that is operated just like the real thing, but fires a 9mm tracer that roughly duplicates the trajectory of the actual rocket. Set plenty of range fires with those babies....


23 posted on 12/23/2004 6:39:45 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: Captain Rhino

Is it reloadable, like an RPG or a self-contained, disposable tube device?


24 posted on 12/23/2004 6:40:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

"Are they legal for deer hunting?"

It's a Ronco Deer-0-Matic prototype. Kills, cleans and butchers all in one shot.


25 posted on 12/23/2004 6:44:17 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Kinda like this?
26 posted on 12/23/2004 6:45:53 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,019,003 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore
It's a:


SMAW (Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon)

27 posted on 12/23/2004 6:47:53 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: ChadGore
"Kinda like this?"

Yeah, except I always kept my canteen cover buttoned if I wasn't drinking...;-)

28 posted on 12/23/2004 6:50:01 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: ChadGore

It's a SMAW incase your not convinced yet LOL. Also look at www.fas.org for most all weapons questions, they are very informative, as well as www.globalsecurity.com.

The military is also using the Javelin which is a wicked weapon. I have had experience with the MILES version (laser tag if you will). Very nice and wickedly accurate.


29 posted on 12/23/2004 6:52:28 AM PST by rd1tx (Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Reloadable, in that the launcher unit (See post 26 below for picture of launcher unit without the rocket tube attached) is retained. The tube that contains the rocket is discarded after firing.


30 posted on 12/23/2004 7:07:18 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Captain Rhino

Neat. That thing looks like a real blast to shoot. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end, though.


31 posted on 12/23/2004 7:10:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: American_Centurion
A SMAW?
Where do they keep the chocolate and graham crackers? Do they really take the time to start a campfire?
32 posted on 12/23/2004 7:34:55 AM PST by ProudVet77 (Sorry, silly season has arrived.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Way back in the ancient '70s we had the LAW to play with. The Light Anti-Tank Weapon. I recall the missile was a HEAT, High Energy Anti-Tank.

It was a one-time throw-away missile launcher with a cheesy plastic tube and a cheesier sighting system.

But woohoo, great fun to let one rip at old truck bodies on the range!


33 posted on 12/23/2004 7:36:49 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Even though it is a recoiless weapon, blast is a problem with the SMAW. Due to blast effects during repeated firing (high dB noise, back blast pressures, etc.), instructors for the Assaultman (MOS 0351) course undergo alot of physiological stress during live fire and are limited to the number of days of live fire they can instruct per week and the number of rounds they may be exposed to on each firing day. IIRC the max number per instructor was six per firing day with one or two days of rest in between firing days.

Thats one of the positive side benefits in seeking to develop a fire from enclosure (FFE) version of the SMAW. If your design is going to permit FFE fire, you must very significantly reduce or eliminate back blast altogether. Do that and it will allow you to shoot from inside bunkers and from inside rooms. In addition, FFE will cut down on the physical stress to the gunners and crew (including instructors) from repeated firings of the weapon.


34 posted on 12/23/2004 10:38:27 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Captain Rhino
blast is a problem with the SMAW

I'm glad to hear that "they" are addressing the problem ... one of my uncles is "disabled" (he can't hear in his left ear) due to having served as a Marine cannoncocker in Viet Nam.

35 posted on 12/23/2004 1:31:45 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Yes, "we" did shoot a lot of artillery in Vietnam (for which this retired Marine is very grateful).
36 posted on 12/23/2004 3:59:55 PM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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