Posted on 12/23/2004 6:46:19 AM PST by RtWngr
COLUMBUS -- As Republican officials stonewall subpoenas and subvert the recount process, Rev. Jesse Jackson has pronounced Ohio's vote fraud fiasco "the biggest deal since Selma" and has called for a national rally at "the scene of the crime" in Columbus January 3.
Another major national demonstration will follow in Washington on January 6, as Congress evaluates the Electoral College. Should at least one US Representative and one Senator challenge the electors' votes, a Constitutional crisis could ensue.
(Excerpt) Read more at freepress.org ...
Conyers, on the other hand, is an idiot.
its over call it a day why did you have to melt away this way
will jk and jj be at the inauguration you know in the spirit of togetherness
we wonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I wonder if Je$$e Jack$on realizes how much he helps Rebublicans.
drip.....drip.....drip.....drip.....drip.....
"Should at least one US Representative and one Senator challenge the electors' votes, a Constitutional crisis could ensue."
Political suicide for anyone who did.
Note to Jackson: Wait 'till summer. It's hard to get any of those, that listen to your spew, to rally for juice-tice in the cold of the winter.
Je$$e who? The man is so over, yesterday's news. Rats are backing away from this one
And Democrats never stonewall. ROFL
Didn't they just do a recount?
The article is long and convoluted. These folks are completely delusional and absolutely convinced that the Pubbies committed fraud to win Ohio. They are out to "document" it but all that is happening is an increase in rhetoric and maybe discovery of minor irregularities that have no bearing on the outcome. The leaders of these groups know Bush won but their whole purpose is to cast doubt on the legimitacy of the win so as to discredit the President and make his second term reforms more difficult to pass.
The more attention they get, the better.
What would have made this a perfect situation was if Michael Moore was involved.
Not for Maxine Waters. Perhaps Jeffords could do it in the Senate.
Yes and the "Automatic Black Person's Ballot Detector/Rejector" developed by Diebold at the request of Karl Rove worked very well.
Do you think this will backfire? I know the DUmmies take it as gospel but the majority of America are centrists. Wouldn't this cause centrist Dems and Independents to move away from them? Most Americans aren't stupid. At least I hope they aren't.
In New Mexico, where Bush won by just under 6,000 votes, the State Supreme Court put a stop to this nonsense yesterday. It said they could have their recount, but agreed with the SOS that they would have to pony up the entire $1.4 million cost ahead of time. The SOS has said she needs the money up front because it is impossible to send the sheriff out of state to collect from the groups that are demanding the recount. The supremes agreed with her reasoning.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307240/posts
Jesse is "the Biggest fool" since...Jesse
It is apparent that we haven't made any progress since Selma....
... since every other week some event is just as bad as Selma, according to Jesse "Budweiser" Jackson.
I betcha the Greens and Libertarians have lost interest in a New Mexico recount now that they learned they have to foot the entire bill for it.
sKerry has 15 million left over - I'm sure he can afford it. What torks me off is that he is behind all of these recounts, and is able to pretend that it is someone else doing it - and the MSM buys it. I guess I shouldn't be suprised that he wouldn't have the balls to be out front with this.
I'm sure they will be beating the door down to join up with the activists this time.
They tried, but a judge/state officials put the kibosh on it.
vaudine
Okay, not having my copy of the Constitution handy, what happens if the result is challenged in the House and Senate? Is the challenge voted on or does any challenge mean the House and Senate then choose the President and Vice-President?
Good Florida editorial here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307236/posts
The scene of the crime? Jesse, You are the crime.
On another message board I am on there was someone "in the know" hinting that there would be BIG news from Ohio. I guess this is it. These people seriously need to get a life. What is really amazing is that they can't see why no one want to vote for them.
Riiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhht. That's comparable. What a race pimp.
They always had to foot the entire bill unless the recount changed the results. The difference is that the Secretary of State wanted the entire amount UP-FRONT because they doubted they could collect the cost after the count was completed.
I'd wager that if you took a poll now..90%+ couldn't tell you who, or what Selma was...but most would mention Selma Hayek..
I couldn't say for sure but I believe to challenge an election that was so clearly won by Bush would be political suicide for the challengers.
§ 15. Counting electoral votes in Congress
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
§ 16. Same; seats for officers and Members of two Houses in joint meeting
At such joint meeting of the two Houses seats shall be provided as follows: For the President of the Senate, the Speaker’s chair; for the Speaker, immediately upon his left; the Senators, in the body of the Hall upon the right of the presiding officer; for the Representatives, in the body of the Hall not provided for the Senators; for the tellers, Secretary of the Senate, and Clerk of the House of Representatives, at the Clerk’s desk; for the other officers of the two Houses, in front of the Clerk’s desk and upon each side of the Speaker’s platform. Such joint meeting shall not be dissolved until the count of electoral votes shall be completed and the result declared; and no recess shall be taken unless a question shall have arisen in regard to counting any such votes, or otherwise under this subchapter, in which case it shall be competent for either House, acting separately, in the manner hereinbefore provided, to direct a recess of such House not beyond the next calendar day, Sunday excepted, at the hour of 10 o’clock in the forenoon. But if the counting of the electoral votes and the declaration of the result shall not have been completed before the fifth calendar day next after such first meeting of the two Houses, no further or other recess shall be taken by either House.
§ 17. Same; limit of debate in each House
When the two Houses separate to decide upon an objection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.
§ 18. Same; parliamentary procedure at joint meeting
While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.
All I can point you to is what happened in Florida. After Jesse's visit to FL in 2000, and the resulting mess, my county - Pasco- which is considered a bellwether county - has gone Republican im almost every single race. We threw out well entrenched Democrats too. It's really been a bloodbath for the Dems here since then. They can't win anything.
People were ticked off Jesse had the nerve to come and tell them they didn't know how to punch a hole in a card. So they made sure he understood them in both 2002 and 2004.
Jesse just wont shut up. Probably needs to go out fund raising so he can keep up with his child support payments for his "love child".
Jesse Jackson thinks 120,000 is a small number but if someone offered him $120k, I bet he wouldn't think it was too small.
As a matter of fact, that's how much he was paying his mistress and mother of his new baby child when she worked at the Rainbow Coalition.
Good thing. Mention money and watch libs run for the hills.
If anyone wants to read the procedure to be followed if there are objections, it is here:
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/provisions.html#15
Not really a crisis. The Constitution has rules for this possibility, the Senate and the House retire to their respective chambers, there is a two hour debate, and then there is a vote. If, and it's a mighty big if, the challange is upheld, the house votes for President, the Senate for VP. In other words they need a Republican house and Senate to vote for Kerry and Edwards.
What idiot wrote the piece of pure manure? Under 3USC15 there is no grounds to contest the election of Ohio. All they can evalutate if those were the Electors chosen by the state process and certified by the state official and if that was actually the Electors votes. Even so, if there is a contest, it goes back to both houses of Congress, where everyone will bitch about what idiot protested this and quickly vote to overrule the objection.
Kerrys an Idiot, just not as big a one as Canyers.
Selma Blair is not a big deal... ;)
Conyers is not an idiot, he is one of the shrewedest, cleverly dishonest sleazes who ever came down the pike. He knows he paid for/faked/destroyed valid Republican ballots/double counted sufficient votes to ensunce scumbag's win. This exersize is to calibrate his tactics and see if he got what he paid for. The problem may be that local union leaders who were supposed to use legal/illegal party cash to buy black votes, pocketed the loot.
Conyers knows they corrupted X votes and that should have won. Now they want to know why it didn't.
Not going to happen. The House And Senate would simply rule the objections out of order. Such a thin reed the DU Dummies hang their moonbat tinfoil hats on in hopes of getting Jean Francois Cheri inaugurated on Jan. 20th. You'd think they could come up with a better vote stealing scheme.
"People were ticked off Jesse had the nerve to come and tell them they didn't know how to punch a hole in a card. So they made sure he understood them in both 2002 and 2004."
I wondered what you all felt about all that punch card junk. I know our county had a very high turn out 2002 and 2004. I really believe it was because of the networks calling the panhandle for Gore before our polls were closed. We were ticked off about that and I was ticked off because people I knew out of state called and teased about the butterfly ballots even though we didn't use them over here.
It was great to watch at the counting of the 2000 electoral votes, as an endless steam of Representatives from the Congressional Black Caucus got up and challenged election "irregularities" in Florida, and President of the Senate Al Gore repeatedly slamed the gavel down, ordering the speakers to stop since they didn't have a single senator to support their challenge.
Are you mad?! Don't you remember, they told us at the Illuminati meeting in Gstaad not to mention the "invention" anywhere, especially in forums like these! ;)
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