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Shops in 'Happy Holidays' boycott
BBC World News ^ | 23 Dec 2004 | BBC World Report

Posted on 12/24/2004 1:07:22 AM PST by Cornpone

Shoppers in the US are being urged to boycott some of the country's most famous stores because they do not say "Merry Christmas". The California-based Committee to Save Merry Christmas wants consumers to avoid shops such as Macy's because they avoid any association with Jesus.

A number of retailers instead stick to non-faith based phrases such as "happy holidays" or "season's greetings".

Macy's said such greetings were more reflective of a multicultural US.

'Catering for all'

Federated Department Stores, the owner of Macy's, said it had no set policy over the use of specific references to Christmas, but added that greetings such as "happy holidays" took in all cultures.

Happy holidays is the pleasant greeting that applies to everyone in every celebration

Wal-Mart

"In fact few, if any, national retailers or businesses now take a different approach to the holiday season," it said.

Wal-Mart, the largest retailer in the US, also avoids mentioning the C-word.

It said it had not received any complaints, only a few "curious questions".

Parallel festivals

The company added that it needed to cater to the variety of holidays celebrated at this time of the year by the 138 million US consumers that passed through its doors every week.

These other celebrations include the Jewish Hanukkah festival and Kwanzaa, an African-American event.

"Happy holidays is the pleasant greeting that applies to everyone in every celebration," Wal-Mart said.

The Committee to Save Merry Christmas says on its website that its primary goal is to "preserve the culture and tradition of the vast majority of Americans that celebrate and honour Christmas."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christmas; heritage; macys; multiculturism; retail
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If being an open, multi-cultural society means that 76 percent of our population has to deny or suppress its cultural heritage out of sensitivity to those who either have no beliefs or the less than 10 percent who are from truly alien cultures or have chosen to adopt make believe, manufactured cultural biases such as Kwanzaa their choice, I think its time to bar the door. If we don’t we might as well go ahead and admit that New Year’s celebrations are an affront to our Asian immigrants because our calendar is wrong, Independence day is an insult to those descended from slavery and those immigrants who escaped totalitarian countries, Thanksgiving is a back-handed insult to native born Americans, Labor Day insults both descendents of slavery and the severely handicapped, Memorial Day marginalizes the sacrifices made by our past enemies and affronts the social conscience of those true Americans who chose to demonstrate their loyalty to our constitutional principles by moving to Canada. Better yet, why don’t we just let anarchy rule.
1 posted on 12/24/2004 1:07:22 AM PST by Cornpone
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To: Cornpone

You know your fundamentally weak when the majority is silenced by the a very few...


2 posted on 12/24/2004 1:14:32 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

The majority isn't being silenced. The majority is being forced to share its place with other cultures as it exits said stores. These stores are not catering only to Anglo-Saxon protestants, after all. Aah, the beauty of capitalism.

Christmas is a convoluted holiday to begin with. Isn't jesus the one who is supposed to be receiving presents?


3 posted on 12/24/2004 1:21:48 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: Cornpone

I've shopped accordingly. There is no Christmas without Christ. Period. Wish me a Merry Christmas or do without my money.


4 posted on 12/24/2004 1:26:20 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: MaelstromWar
Christmas is a convoluted holiday to begin with. Isn't jesus the one who is supposed to be receiving presents?

It's a celebration in Western culture. Exchanging of gifts is a long-held tradition.

5 posted on 12/24/2004 1:32:32 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: MaelstromWar

I'm not Anglo-Saxon nor a Protestant and still I celebrate Christmas. Is that unusual where you come from?


6 posted on 12/24/2004 1:33:53 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: MaelstromWar; ETERNAL WARMING
"These stores are not catering only to Anglo-Saxon protestants, after all. Aah, the beauty of capitalism."

I don't think what we're witnessing is the beauty of capitalism. What we're seeing is the banality of greed. We have a retail establishment that in its collective greed has basically said, "Now that we have over 76 percent of the market locked up, let's just disregard their cultural biases so we can grovel for the last blood cent." I think the beauty of capitalism would be more rightly demonstrated by some retailer that says I know who my market is, the 76 percent of Americans who believe Christmas stands for something other than spending money, and sticks to its principles...not sells them.

7 posted on 12/24/2004 1:38:09 AM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: stands2reason

Then you don't celebrate Christmas the way it is 'supposed' to be celebrated (now, I'm no authority on how holidays should be celebrated, but this particular one celebrates a specific event, one which you do not believe in if you are not a protestant). It is one thing to exchange presents with your loved ones (for whatever reason) and entirely another to celebrate the birth of christ.


8 posted on 12/24/2004 1:39:21 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: Cornpone

Wrong. These stores are catering to EVERYONE. THAT is the beauty of capitalism.


9 posted on 12/24/2004 1:43:13 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: MaelstromWar
I celebrate it the way my family has for generations upon generations upon generations. Tradition and culture are good enough for me.

but this particular one celebrates a specific event, one which you do not believe in if you are not a protestant

Catholics don't believe in the birth of Christ? Heck, even Muslims do.

10 posted on 12/24/2004 1:49:00 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: MaelstromWar

Oh, I see. Kinda like selling drugs or illegal weapons eh?


11 posted on 12/24/2004 1:52:24 AM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: stands2reason

"but this particular one celebrates a specific event, one which you do not believe in if you are not a protestant"

Yeah, maybe 'believe' was not the right word to use there... I didn't want to be redundant by using 'celebrate' again in the same paragraph. Plenty of cultures 'believe' that the event took place while few 'hallow' it.

My apologies... it's 4 a.m., sue me.


12 posted on 12/24/2004 1:54:50 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: Cornpone

Hey, hey... capitalism has it's laws and restrictions. Capitalism can't do anything illegal. Fortunately, catering to multiple cultures and respecting their beliefs isn't illegal.


13 posted on 12/24/2004 1:57:01 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: MaelstromWar
"Fortunately, catering to multiple cultures and respecting their beliefs isn't illegal."

That's the whole point. Christmas, as being marked by major retailers today, is not catering to the overwhelming Christian culture of our nation today nor are the retailers who have distorted it into a multi-cultural expression of spending fever respecting our beliefs. Perhaps we should just do away with Christmas and call December 25th "Consummation Day," in celebration of the end of the national shopping holiday season.

For most Americans, deep down, Christmas is a special day of giving. It is inspired by, and embodied in, the spirit of one who gave the ultimate, his life in exchange for the salvation of our souls. You are wrong. Christmas is not convoluted. Christ is not the targeted recipient of gifts. He is the symbol of ultimate giving. Christmas is our day to recognize that and is intended to be demonstrated in our gifts to others. Christmas without Christ is not Christmas.

14 posted on 12/24/2004 2:11:36 AM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: Cornpone; Conspiracy Guy

boycotts suck. they never do anything worthwhile....

boycott of boycotts ping!!!


15 posted on 12/24/2004 2:12:43 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: MaelstromWar
now, I'm no authority on how holidays should be celebrated, but this particular one celebrates a specific event, one which you do not believe in if you are not a protestant).




????

Pretty much every major religion except for the Hindus and the Buddhists believe in the birth of Christ. Even in Islam....

Protestants didn't officially exist until Martin Luther posted the 95 thesis on the door of the cathedral (hence Lutheran).
16 posted on 12/24/2004 2:15:50 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: MikeinIraq

Please read all the replies before posting. I've already replied to that.


17 posted on 12/24/2004 2:27:24 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: Cornpone

Nordstrom's gift cards say "Merry Christmas" on them. Those are the standards that they give out to whoever tries to buy a gift card - it's not like it's one option, it's the usual.

And mightn't 'Happy Holidays' offend Jehovah's Witnesses?


18 posted on 12/24/2004 2:29:29 AM PST by It's me
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To: MaelstromWar

I respond as I read them....


19 posted on 12/24/2004 2:34:35 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: MikeinIraq

I'm just looking for a parking spot, short line, and a green light.


20 posted on 12/24/2004 2:45:42 AM PST by carumba
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To: carumba

LOL

yeah LOL


22 posted on 12/24/2004 2:51:46 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: Cornpone
Happy Chrismahanukwanzaka!

And if you have a sense of humor --> http://www.chrismahanukwanzakah.com/

24 posted on 12/24/2004 2:55:21 AM PST by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: visagoth

Thanks for the URL...it reflects the spirit of the times...:)


26 posted on 12/24/2004 3:03:28 AM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: Cobra64; Cornpone

I work in a retail store; I tell my customers "Merry Christmas," though not exclusively. I'm merely here to try to point out that to boycott retail stores whose employees don't say "Merry Christmas" to the shoppers is, well... silly. There is NO company policy against saying "Merry Christmas" to customers, and if employees of said stores choose to expound on scripted greetings and farewells to include members of other cultures, it is their prerogative. And if you so choose to boycott these same stores for that reason, that is certainly yours.

What do you expect these stores to do? Disallow employees from saying "Happy Holidays" to customers? Make it company policy for all emplyees to say nothing with the exception of "Merry Christmas?" It is you who is the fascist, if this is your reasoning (ahem, Cobra64).

Doesn't Christianity teach kindness, tolerance, and good morals? What's wrong with opening your heart and including a member of a different culture in your farewell statement (ahem, tolerance)?


27 posted on 12/24/2004 3:11:25 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: It's me
:-)

.............Merry Messiah's Manger Day!

(Micah 5:2 and all of Luke chapter 2 Day)

:-)

28 posted on 12/24/2004 3:20:06 AM PST by maestro
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To: MaelstromWar
Christmas is a convoluted holiday to begin with.

Someone pissed in your glass of eggnog again, didn't they.
29 posted on 12/24/2004 3:46:33 AM PST by pyx (Luke 2. [11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.)
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To: pyx

Look up the word 'convoluted' in the dictionary.


30 posted on 12/24/2004 3:52:35 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: MaelstromWar
"What do you expect these stores to do?

I suppose I expect them all to do like Safeway Stores and finally abandon all pretense of celebrating the season in the spirit intended...why shut down just because it's Christmas? I expect them to continue the tacit assault on the majority of American's deep seated cultural beliefs. I expect them to destroy all that remains of our values.

Meanwhile, though not a devoted Christian, I will continue to look for those who believe, "Our mission is to provide...in a manner which enhances the quality of life for our stockholders, employees, customers, associates and suppliers. In so doing, we will deal with integrity and honesty, reflecting that people are more important than dollars and that our purpose is to bring credit to our Lord Jesus Christ."

31 posted on 12/24/2004 4:01:53 AM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: Cornpone
Macy's was open every day during Hanukkah & Ramadan, and I assume they'll be open each day of Kwanzaa (when is this joyous celebration anyway?), so I'm SURE they'll be open Christmas Day, won't they??? Oh, no, wait... Most everyone who shops, works, supplies, or mingles in their shops are CHRISTIAN!!!!!!! Therefore, they'll be home enjoying the day with their families

Damn, it sure would be nice if EVERYONE could get together and never go in their stores again. I know I haven't gone in this Holiday Season."

32 posted on 12/24/2004 4:29:26 AM PST by Living Free in NH (Where am I and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Cornpone
No problem here with 'Happy Holidays'. Have been using it for years myself and usually use that as a tag on the Christmas cards that I (in a good year) get sent. When I use 'Happy Holidays', I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas,a Happy Hanukkah, ______________(fill in the blank)... and a Happy New Year. If someone wants to get anal about me wishing them a 'Happy Holiday' season, well then, I'll just have to mark them off my Christmas card list.
33 posted on 12/24/2004 4:31:20 AM PST by elli1
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To: elli1

If someone says "Have a Good One" or whatever, I reply, "Merry Christmas," and that makes both of us happy. I save my rancor for those who are militantly against Christianity in the public square. A lot of the others are just ignorant.


34 posted on 12/24/2004 4:44:11 AM PST by KateatRFM
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To: MaelstromWar

***Then you don't celebrate Christmas the way it is 'supposed' to be celebrated,,,***

How nice for you! You, and you alone, make the rules for 300 million Americans.


35 posted on 12/24/2004 4:52:17 AM PST by kitkat (Merry CHRISTmas, everyone)
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To: KateatRFM

I agree. Getting all kerfluffuled over this is a waste of energy.


36 posted on 12/24/2004 5:02:43 AM PST by elli1
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To: Echo Talon; All

Try to find any religous products to buy at Tar-gete (the french spelling)Yes the people who wnat nothing to do with the Salvation Army have removed all Religous colors and wrapping paper, candles, bags etc from their stores - in Dallas area. Want to give them a merry Christmas? Return everything, get a refund and spend your money in another store.


37 posted on 12/24/2004 5:11:21 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

It will be interesting to see what happens NEXT Christmas, since this Christmas backlash caught everyone by surprise this year.
As for me and my house, we serve the Lord. If I feel He is no longer welcome, we will not buy ANY gifts from any retailer who wants to ignore 80% of its customers. Let them make their money off the Jews, Kwanzans, and Festivus celebrants next year.


38 posted on 12/24/2004 5:17:51 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Echo Talon
You know your fundamentally weak when the majority is silenced by the a very few...

Our eductional sysstem has been laying the groundwork for this sort of capitulation for 30 years now. It should not be that surprising.

39 posted on 12/24/2004 6:41:19 AM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: Cornpone

I was watching Fox News this morning and Hannity and Colms came on with a show promo. I know Hannity has been on a Merry Christmas kick on his show for a couple of weeks now, but what did he do in the promo? He wished his viewers a 'Happy Holiday' while Colms wished them a 'Happy New Year'. When push comes to shove there's nothing like backing down on your principles, is there Sean?


40 posted on 12/24/2004 6:44:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
This umbrage at "Happy Holidays" by a select few Christians has got to be the most ridiculous occurrence of the year.

"Holidays" is actually "Holy Days."

I'm just grateful for people wishing each other good tidings at any time of year.

41 posted on 12/24/2004 6:58:31 AM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Holiday = Holy Days


The next thing you will say is that XMAS is sacrilege against Christmas right?
42 posted on 12/24/2004 7:06:59 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: Cornpone
I was in a K-Mart the other day to see if I could locate an oil filter for my car and passed by a pricing sign on a display. The items for sale were green and tree-like. The sign said Artificial Holiday trees on Sale...50% off.

I stopped. I walked back to be sure of what I saw. I thought to myself, "So, there is now is such a thing as a Hannukah Tree and a Kwanzaa Tree?...It's a CHRISTMAS TREE!"

I left the store and drove the extra 2 miles to the auto parts store and piad a buck more for the oil filter. Screw the PC idiots.

43 posted on 12/24/2004 7:07:08 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: stands2reason

I'm not Anglo-Saxon nor a Protestant and still I celebrate Christmas. Is that unusual where you come from?




then you must be in the country illegally /sarcasm off

Seriously though, Merry Christmas....

We can watch a few so-called Christians attempt to eat their own on this thread....


44 posted on 12/24/2004 7:08:09 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: kittymyrib

It will be interesting to see what happens NEXT Christmas, since this Christmas backlash caught everyone by surprise this year.
As for me and my house, we serve the Lord. If I feel He is no longer welcome, we will not buy ANY gifts from any retailer who wants to ignore 80% of its customers. Let them make their money off the Jews, Kwanzans, and Festivus celebrants next year.




I boycott Boycotts.....

The answer is nothing. Apparently FR boycotts dont seem to be affecting even Target. Not that I went there, but everyone is having a booming season this year, not just those stores that cater to the Christians....


45 posted on 12/24/2004 7:10:06 AM PST by MikefromOhio (18 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hot dogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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To: Cornpone

I say 'Merry Christmas', including at my job at a very large insurance company.

Anybody that can't tolerate it is, by definition, intolerant.

'Happy Holidays' still makes some kind of sense, because we have New Years and Christmas so close together.

But Jesus *wasn't* here to spur retailers' sales. So, frankly, I can't get that excited about how retailers acknowledge or don't acknowledge Christ.

-- Joe


46 posted on 12/24/2004 7:13:10 AM PST by Joe Republc
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To: sinkspur

I agree with you on that, but when Hannity makes such a big deal out of it and then whimps out on the TV promo I can't resist tweaking him just a little.


47 posted on 12/24/2004 8:14:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Joe Republc

This is ridiculous.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone.


48 posted on 12/24/2004 8:18:10 AM PST by MaelstromWar
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To: MaelstromWar
These stores are not catering only to Anglo-Saxon protestants, after all.

Christmas is only a Protestant holiday?

Somebody better tell the Pope.

49 posted on 12/24/2004 8:22:58 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Non-Sequitur

I noticed the same thing on his radio show.


50 posted on 12/24/2004 8:24:08 AM PST by B Knotts
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