Posted on 12/24/2004 9:14:56 PM PST by ckilmer
History and history in the making
Little Green Footballs links to a Poynter Online press release here reproduced verbatim.
From JACK STOKES, director of media relations, Associated Press: [This is a solicited letter regarding Salon's "The Associated Press 'insurgency.'"] Several brave Iraqi photographers work for The Associated Press in places that only Iraqis can cover. Many are covering the communities they live in where family and tribal relations give them access that would not be available to Western photographers, or even Iraqi photographers who are not from the area.
Insurgents want their stories told as much as other people and some are willing to let Iraqi photographers take their pictures. It's important to note, though, that the photographers are not "embedded" with the insurgents. They do not have to swear allegiance or otherwise join up philosophically with them just to take their pictures.
These comments bear on some of the questions raised in the post and commentary at Haifa Street. In this regard, one hopes it is not impertinent to ask whether a photographer who does not "swear allegiance or otherwise join up philosophically with them (insurgents)" can take their pictures. Mr. Stokes might like to state whether the Associated Press photographer who took a sequence of pictures of an execution on Haifa Street, Baghdad is one of these "brave Iraqi photographers" to whom the insurgents are willing to entrust their stories. If so, at what point did the "brave Iraqi" photographer become aware that the story of the day was going to be the live execution of two Iraqi election workers?
Just asking.
sigh..1942 nazis want their stories told..what utter disgust..
Who cares?
Tell it to the Marines!
BTTT
Reporters don't have to do these things: they already are in alliance and joined with them ideologically.
Their story should be on their tombstone or whatever grave marker that is within the customs of the country. "Here lies Joe Insurgent that went to meet his 72 Virgins at the hands of the US Military."
In which case, it is hardly the job of an American media outlet to serve their purpose.
Does not Stokes understand that? And, if not, perhaps it is time that AP moved their headquarters to Qatar.
ZARQUON HAS COME AGAIN!!!
""Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" "
For the worst "insurgents", my temptation would be to say "Yes", then as I shot each limb
in sequence, I'd say "It's about making you understand the suffering you've
caused innocent people, you b@$tard. And I'm not going kill you, but let you live so
crippled you'll wish you'd been killed outright."
Actually, that would just be the start of what I'd be tempted to do to someone
that would behead a female aid worker...
No problem with that whatsoever, so long as it's only done posthumously.
Stinking terrorist scum.
Okay. Once upon a time, there were three pigs....
>>>Insurgents want their stories told<<<
Paging Dan Rather!
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imho the ap is playing the role of tokyo rose
We can clarify it further they are the "ememy" regardless where they come from.
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you're clearly of a younger generation. You see all the boomers on both sides have a script of the vietnam war that runs in their heads.
for example in the spring of 1968 the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong launched the Tet Offensive. The Vietnamese were soundly beaten and the the Viet Cong were virtually eliminated in the South. It was a clear cut US military victory. However, walter cronkheit got on the tv and announced that because the NorthVietnamese could launch an offensive and the US took casualties--we had lost the battle. Lyndon Johnson decided at that point that we couldn't win the war because Chronkheit had come out against it. The North Vietnamese later said that they too thought they lost the battle however, when Walter Cronkheit spoke up they changed their minds.
that was how many decades ago?
Now a crummy piece of murderous street theatre in Bagdad and a serious bombing in Mosul have shifted the "momenum" of battle after the thrashing the bathists took in Fallujah.
USA Today founder Al Neuharth’s Thursday column ... called for a U.S. pullout from Iraq “sooner rather than later.” Neuharth served in World War II in France, Germany and the Philippines, but suggested that avoiding service in Iraq was proper today. He observed that WW II, on the other hand, was "highly moral" and troops were “properly equipped.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000742016
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maybe you can get how this stuff plays out.
I don't care why they strap bombs to their bodies and detonate themselves. I just want to know how to stop them.
"How do we win the war in the media?" asked one soldier in Mosul. Another soldier in Tikrit wondered why there is not more coverage of reconstruction efforts going on in the country.
"I guess what's news has to be bad news to get on the press," Rumsfeld responded to the first question - after supposing, with a big grin, "that does not sound like a question that was planted by the press."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Rumsfeld%20Media
I think not, but I'm volunteering to find out.
Bump and thanks for Belmont Club post. Merry Christmas!
Sorry..... I can't use the words I'd like to .....on FR. FR has standards, y'know.
Couldn't we just put it in their obituaries
On a more serious note, the press is lucky they are in a free country. If this was a country like Saddam's Iraq or the Iraq that these terrorists want, they would not get away with this.
There's a new breed of reporter nowadays who believes he or she is not a citizen of any country but of the world...despite what their passport says. You have people like Mike Wallace, Bernard Shaw, Scott Pelley, and a host of other libs who feel that it is their journalistic duty to keep pertinent information away from American military sources. In short they've announced that they will not help American military people in the war against Islamo-fascism...or any other war. Isn't it nice to know we have such dedicated traitors er excuse me "journalists" working for us? It makes me want to vomit.
You lost me.
They can tell them in Hell!
what part loses you. (now I'm assuming you're not a a liberal democrat--and therefor one having a vested interest (even if unwisely so)in failure of the enterprise.
The thread started with a discussion about the insurgents wants to be heard through the media.
I said, who cares.
You gave me a reply about vietnam.
I don't get it.
You think I'm an idiot.
However, by forcing us to kill them, they're stuck with the 'dead men tell no tales' scenario.
The thread started with a discussion about the insurgents wants to be heard through the media.
I said, who cares.
You gave me a reply about vietnam.
I don't get it.
You think I'm an idiot.
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I don't really care what the bad guys think either. I do care about the US media serving as the bad guys propaganda arm. This has happened before, in Viet Nam, so as to turn victories on the battlefields into defeats on the homefronts because of the work of the US media. This has happened again with this bit of crummy crimnal street theatre that the AP has put on for the American public.
I don't think you're an idiot. It was impossible to see how this happened during Viet Nam-except in hindsight. Now during the Iraq war--because the the new media--its merely real difficult.
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