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Blame hippies Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society
Calgary Sun ^ | Sun, December 26, 2004 | By Paul Jackson -- Calgary Sun

Posted on 12/26/2004 11:12:41 AM PST by zzen01

My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's power flowed to the people and not to the kings.

With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of individual rights were born.

(Excerpt) Read more at canoe.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blame; corruption; counterculture; cults; genx; hippies; the1960s
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Finally a Canuck that get's it.
1 posted on 12/26/2004 11:12:42 AM PST by zzen01
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To: zzen01
Remember the song that went "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with?" I told my daughter a long time ago that that song was one of the things that started a whole lot of moral decay. Lately she has come to agree with me.

Carolyn

2 posted on 12/26/2004 11:17:16 AM PST by CDHart
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To: zzen01
I was listening to C-Span a couple of days ago, and want to report the following statistics. In 1970 20% of the Americans thought that they trusted the US Military to do the right thing, now the number is 75%. On the other hand, 70% of the public in 1970 trusted the media, and now it is 20%. This tells a whole story of the hippies, any comment.
3 posted on 12/26/2004 11:21:09 AM PST by conservlib
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To: zzen01

The Writer has finally described what so many Americans have known for a long time. The stench of Petchoulie is still in the air. I hated it then and I hate it now!!

None of it ever made any sense. The riots against Viet Nam and the Government itself stunk up the whole place and the Socialist took advantage of it and thru fuel on the fire!


4 posted on 12/26/2004 11:21:24 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: CDHart

my friends and I call them the "grasshopper generation" (based on the ant and the grasshopper story)

of course we are evil "gen X" ppl

oh well


5 posted on 12/26/2004 11:22:05 AM PST by Casaubon (huh??)
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To: zzen01

The hippies and their larvae have done insurmountable damage to our society, and by the time they raid our grandchildren's futures for their retirement through unending social security/medicare, they will truly be the ugliest generation in our American history.

The "Flower Children" only are concerned about themselves and were phony since the 1960s. I recognized this 40 years ago.


6 posted on 12/26/2004 11:24:22 AM PST by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: zzen01

The chickens have come home to roost.


7 posted on 12/26/2004 11:25:47 AM PST by reg45
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To: zzen01
The rule of law meant whatever you wanted it to mean at any given time.


8 posted on 12/26/2004 11:27:51 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: zzen01

When we kicked God out of the country and decided that murdering babies was a good idea, evil stepped right in and is having a ball to this very day.


9 posted on 12/26/2004 11:28:55 AM PST by lodwick
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To: wrathof59
The hippies and their larvae have done insurmountable damage to our society

While the hippy philosophy and its relation to drugs cost my brother his life, the era had support from schools and the teacher's union who took advantage of the laid back student population to lay back themselves. Situational morality has taken its toll and will continue but there is some hope that the current conservative movement will continue to swing the pendelum the other way.

10 posted on 12/26/2004 11:31:00 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Casaubon

May I suggest "the grass smoker" generation, as in "Things are not always as they appear to you, Grass Smoker".


11 posted on 12/26/2004 11:32:11 AM PST by GladesGuru
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To: conservlib

Telling stats indeed.


12 posted on 12/26/2004 11:33:16 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: qam1

Ping


13 posted on 12/26/2004 11:33:54 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: zzen01

Having had the opportunity to view the so-called "counter culture" up close, I can tell you that "hippie" was just a phase that many people passed through on their way to jobs selling insurance and living in the burbs. It wasn't a lifestyle that very many adopted for the long haul. There were casualties from drugs and wrong thinking, but that number (though tragic) is relatively small.


14 posted on 12/26/2004 11:39:45 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: conservlib
..any comment.

The statistical inversion that you cite makes sense to me, having lived and watched it all with proximity and interest. The built -in prejudice of the media is being exposed for what it is; a part of one particular political party. The armed forces have improved from the good ol' boy system of the conscripted services to the professional armed forces that we have now.

15 posted on 12/26/2004 11:49:39 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: zzen01
Re: "... but rather it (the American Revolution) determined God's power flowed to the people and not to the kings."

An interesting point but I wonder how many have considered the consequences of this? Any reading of the Old Testament will see the wrath of God was visited on nations for the sins of Kings. The people suffered for the failings for the Kings God Himself destined to rule. What on earth will be the fate of a nation that sins in the eyes of God for the failings they themselves created? There is no King to blame.

Abortion will not go unavenged.
16 posted on 12/26/2004 11:49:54 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: CDHart

It began with the drug culture which broke down inibitions and allowed people to do things they never thought possible. It was the "instant generation" - they wanted EVERYTHING - NOW! They had instant entertainment [TV] - they had instand food [TV dinners].

There were leaders telling young people to take drugs - you forget all your problems. The real problem was - when the young people woke up - the problems were still there - and they were still unequiped to deal with them.

It was "free love" - and all that sort of rot. To me - the real problem was that the parents of these young people DIDN'T STAND UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION .. having been raised to believe that if they quelled their little darling's expressions - they would stunt the kids mind. Looks like a whole bunch of mind stunting would have perhaps solved that situation.

I'm so glad I was not a part of that generation .. but my sons were influenced by it and one of them is still struggling with it.


17 posted on 12/26/2004 11:51:34 AM PST by The Final Harvest (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: durasell

The real problem is this: society as a whole adopted their ideas, even as the original proponenets mostly abandoned them as impractical. Many of the ideas were watered down and bureaucratized, but they are still reconizable.

Why did this happen?


18 posted on 12/26/2004 11:55:41 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

If you can provide a specific example, I could maybe reply in-depth. However, I don't believe that their ideas/philosophy were adopte wholesale by society at large. More than likely the same technologies and/or economics that impacted the hippies also similarly impacted the larger society.


19 posted on 12/26/2004 11:58:03 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Fiddlstix; qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.  

20 posted on 12/26/2004 12:07:44 PM PST by qam1 (Anyone who was born in New Jersey should not be allowed to drive at night or on hills.)
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To: zzen01

Here it is... Finally, someone (Herb Meyer) who puts it all into words. He's saying so eloquently what those of us in the '60's warned of and feared.

See also http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Calgary/Paul_Jackson/2004/12/12/778557.html

I know what I'm buying my kids and grandkids right now!


21 posted on 12/26/2004 12:12:11 PM PST by Humidston (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282122/posts - Blood on the Potomac!)
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To: durasell

Governance is always generational, and they are the generation in power at the moment. The environmental movement ("Global Warming"), the anti-war movement and the scourge of political correctness are what endanger us as a nation -- all the DIRECT RESULT of the '60s - early '70s generation grown up into positions of power.


22 posted on 12/26/2004 12:15:31 PM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: Slyfox

bump


23 posted on 12/26/2004 12:16:49 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group (Revolution takes too much effort.....can't we have Revolution Lite?)
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To: Slyfox

24 posted on 12/26/2004 12:21:44 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: JennysCool

Look at the White House and Congress. I would say there are few hardcore hippies in political power. But I get your point, you're talking (I think) about activists who are just much more noisy now than in the past. As for political correctness, it's fading fast. And from what I can see, it's strongest footholds are in organizations and not in everyday life. Non-politically correct entertainments are hugely popular. Despite it's annoying aspects, rap/hip-hop are hugely politically incorrect. There's also a comic on cable television (can't remember his name) who is a protege of Mel Brooks who also makes a point of being politically incorrect.


25 posted on 12/26/2004 12:22:37 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: zzen01
"We call it "Political Correctness." The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious. If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious. "-Bill Lind .
26 posted on 12/26/2004 12:26:53 PM PST by Helms (Geraldo Rivera and Dick Morris are close cousins)
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To: M. Espinola

27 posted on 12/26/2004 12:29:16 PM PST by Helms (Geraldo Rivera and Dick Morris are close cousins)
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To: zzen01

It didn't start in the 1960's!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1298049/posts


28 posted on 12/26/2004 12:38:27 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (The Compassionate Troll)
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To: qam1
The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and the moral values of the day.

It really was sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll with no thought to the consequences of where their actions would take them.

And from that movement we got politicians, government officials, judges, and peaceniks. The peaceniks are the new version of hippies that aides and abates radical Islamic terrorism.

29 posted on 12/26/2004 1:11:51 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: zzen01
Y'know, back in outer space, we used to drink - a lot! We used to take all kinds of kick-ass drugs and we showed blatant disrespect for any authority figures. Little did we know... we were undermining our entire value system.

GWAR - "The Obliteration Of Flab Quarv 7"

30 posted on 12/26/2004 1:27:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - Dubya... F**K YEAH!!!)
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To: qam1

Hi.

Please add me to the Gen-X ping list please.

BTW, "Free State of NJ"??? I lived in Ringwood for 10 years and moved back to God's Country (northern MI) last year. Upstate NY must be really bad if you have lower taxes in NJ.

Thanks,
Vaughn


31 posted on 12/26/2004 1:28:53 PM PST by wingnut1971 (Merry CHRISTmas, all!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
The peaceniks are the new version of hippies that aides and abates radical Islamic terrorism.

The final refuge of the globalist-communist liberal has just got to be in the ranks of the rabidly stooooopid Environmental Whacko's.

Mark my words, when the antiChrist rises, his world religion will be GAIA or Earth Mother until he raises himself to god status.

Right now, the public schools are prepping kids for this. Earth Day in the public schools (especially elementary and middle school levels) exceeds by far the impact of Christmas for Administration support. Next comes United Nations Day and all the little kids decorate the doors of homeroom with international murals and get to dress up as someone of another nationality. Guess which nation is conspicously absent? That's right, can't dress up like Uncle Sam!

Witness the LIBERAL AGENDA at work!

See my about page for further details.

32 posted on 12/26/2004 1:29:15 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: CDHart
Remember the song that went "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with?" I told my daughter a long time ago that that song was one of the things that started a whole lot of moral decay

That song was almost past the fact wasn't it? Early 70's I think. Anyway, it was common knowledge with my previous generation that it was Ed Sullivan's fault for bringing the Beatles over here! : )

33 posted on 12/26/2004 1:30:16 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: ExSoldier
Scary, isn't it? People need to wake up fast to the endless attacks by the left.

See my about page for further details.

I will.

34 posted on 12/26/2004 1:37:38 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: durasell
Look at the White House and Congress. I would say there are few hardcore hippies in political power ... you're talking (I think) about activists who are just much more noisy now than in the past.

The White House, no. But Congress, certainly. The "hippie" attitude -- which is basically socialism -- is EXTREMELY well-represented by people like Pelosi, Patty Murray, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, etc. And I'm not talking about "noisy" activists, but the more insidious variety, the '60s-influenced people now infesting state legislatures, school boards, judges' chambers and, of course, the mainstream media.

35 posted on 12/26/2004 1:44:41 PM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: qam1
I believe it is 1961 thru 1982. The 1980 Presidential race was the first election I was eligible to vote in. I turned 18 that year and cast my vote for Reagan, as did all my friends. We were conservatives and resented the decay of society, lack of social structure, and above all the robbing of our innocence. By the time I got to Jr. High these jerks were teaching and preaching their decadent lifestyles. It was a mess, I liken it to growing up in a void.
36 posted on 12/26/2004 1:51:18 PM PST by mindspy
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To: JennysCool

John Kerry and Hillary Clinton were hippies?

Wait...I think we need to re-define our terms here. Do you mean influenced by the 60s or full out, love, peace and actually buying Ravi Shankar records, black light hippies?


37 posted on 12/26/2004 1:55:34 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: elbucko
Actually my take on this is the media was supporting the hippies, and the Vietnam war opposition movements. They insulted our military and called them fascists. Hence, the public, like gullible sheep follwed, hating the military and trusting the media. The opposite is correct today.
38 posted on 12/26/2004 1:57:00 PM PST by conservlib
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To: Victoria Delsoul
My Grandfather said that the Constitution is a God given document and that it will be attacked by those that hate freedom.

To be free is to stand as an equal and express your political opinion, whether you are rich or poor, and have the people vote whether you are right or wrong.

39 posted on 12/26/2004 1:58:49 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: Little Bill
Amen. Well said.

By the way, I laughed when I read this on your profile page: "Dedicated to the destruction of the rat party."

40 posted on 12/26/2004 2:01:47 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: durasell
During the Clinton Whit House there were a few staffers that flunked the drug tests, and had to be given a temporary pass to get to their office. These losers never wanted to stop taking drugs, and their commander in chief never insisted on it. Hence, they kept a temporary pass for eight years to circumvent the laws. REMEMBER NO CONTROLLING LEGAL AUTHORITY, a la Hitlery!!!
41 posted on 12/26/2004 2:01:48 PM PST by conservlib
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To: conservlib

Yes, but drugs do not a hippy make. I'm in danger of my head exploding imagining Kerry sitting around in a tie-dyed shirt listening to Jefferson Airplane and saying, "Far out man, like pass the doobie" in that prep school accent.


42 posted on 12/26/2004 2:04:03 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Yes, and Yes ...


43 posted on 12/26/2004 2:04:37 PM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: zzen01
Actually, I think the breakdown of society started in the '50s with the advent of Rock and Roll. All those crazy kids listening to Elvis and Chuck Berry.
Or wait, wasn't it that evil Jazz music that started destroying society with it's crazy jungle rhythms?
Face it, we've been destroying our society as long as we've *had* a society. And people have been bemoaning that destruction all along the way...
44 posted on 12/26/2004 2:10:18 PM PST by blowfish
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To: zzen01
Not content with just behaving themselves as they wanted to behave, the hippie movement and its adherents started electing their own kind to political office at local, state or provincial levels, and the federal level.

"We have to start electing people who know what they are talking about. Instead, we elect far too many people who pose, preen, say they feel our pain, say they are sympathetic to us, but they never solve any problems."

What they do, says Meyer, is subvert the foundations of our free society.

We are now in the second American civil war, against those who want to put the American Revolution in reverse.

Today, in the U.S., Canada and other democratic nations, we see the results.

There are no absolute rights or wrongs.

Whatever makes you feel good is just OK.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Total validation of why The Reagan Revolution needs to keep expanding. Gen-Jones is about to become the dominant political force over the next 10-15 years and undo some of the Hippie-Boomer damages. After that...?

45 posted on 12/26/2004 2:39:15 PM PST by NewLand (I'm a Generation Jones'er and WE elected President Bush!)
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To: durasell

I view the counter culture as the diffusion of bohemian manners and mores through educated young people to society at large.

Yes, it was only a phase for some. I believe that the counterculture cannot be separated from the persavive prosperity and economic security of the postwar "Golden Age". It was an age when upper and upper middle class young people were so comfortable that they believed that scarcity based values like hard work, self-discipline, deferred gratification, etc were as obsolete as knightly chivalry. The counterculture presumed that effortless prosperity was everyone's right, conflict and competition were unnecessary and we could all play frisbee, smoke pot and screw.

Most people were not that comfortable. And the recession of the early 70s smashed counterculture delusions as it poured the main cohort of the baby boom with their soft liberal arts degrees into a glutted job market (before 1970 it wasn't necessary to have a college degree to have a white collar job. degree inflation has made it necessary since.). But the sexual morality (immorality, rather) took, shorn of utopian pretensions. "Winning Through Intimidation" replaced "The Greening of America".

The culture of the mid to late 70's kept the drugs and depravity but discarded the flower power stuff. It's a hard, cold cruel world in which there are winners and losers (notice how that term popped up in "Rocky" and "Saturday Night Fever" ?). Disco culture was elitist, which is why it was so easy to hate it from the outside. There are a handful of the rich and famous and beautiful who glide past the velvet rope while most wait outside in the cold. The clothes were expensive and the dances were difficult and rejection hurts. There are the Tony Manero "winners" whose happy ending is to realize how far above their "loser" friends they are.


46 posted on 12/26/2004 2:59:08 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: JennysCool

That couple are a walking advertisement for self-gratification, aren't they?


47 posted on 12/26/2004 3:00:04 PM PST by Humidston (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282122/posts - Blood on the Potomac!)
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To: blowfish
Actually, I think the breakdown of society started in the '50s with the advent of Rock and Roll.

I think the seeds of the "drug culture" were planted in the 50's with the advent of synthentic drugs like barbiturates and amphetamines that didn't carry the stigma historically associated with narcotics.

48 posted on 12/26/2004 3:09:56 PM PST by tacticalogic (Amateur blaksmith trying to stay on good term with the people who are getting coal for Christmas.)
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To: zzen01
If you read this thread, don't miss the much more important thread that explains the true genesis of the mess we're in now: Political Correctness
49 posted on 12/26/2004 3:22:06 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: bjs1779
"it was Ed Sullivan's fault for bringing the Beatles over here! : )"

I believe that! Every time I hear the Beatles songs from that era (I Want to Hold Your Hand, etc.) I instantly get morning sickness. I was pregnant at the time -- brings it all back. However, we were not officially part of the hippie era, as we are still married after 41 years!

Carolyn

50 posted on 12/26/2004 3:42:44 PM PST by CDHart
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