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"He told me he was really rethinking theism and had corresponded with [naturalistic scientist Richard] Dawkins and was putting the ID arguments up against what Dawkins was saying and trying to compare the arguments," Habermas said. "And he was going back and forth as to whether he should be a theist or not."

Very telling that the best arguments of leading atheist darwinist Richard Dawkins failed to keep Antony Flew an atheist

1 posted on 12/26/2004 2:12:40 PM PST by protest1
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"....When you become a Christian, I want to be the first one to know."

I remember leaving a friend with those words about 8 years ago now. Still waiting for and expecting that call....

2 posted on 12/26/2004 2:15:40 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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...some skeptics argued that the former atheist had changed his mind suddenly. But Habermas said such allegations are clearly incorrect in light of the four-year dialogue he had with Flew.

Flew is 81 years old, has been a practising atheist for 50 years, and 4 years ago he gets interested in religion.

Why doesn't anyone think that as Flew gets closer to the grave, and the realization of his mortality, he'll get even more religious?

3 posted on 12/26/2004 2:30:26 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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Ping


5 posted on 12/26/2004 2:41:34 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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I've always thought that deism makes much more sense than atheism. It seems very hard to deny the main tenets of intelligent design. However, with all of the evil in the world and the fact that it takes faith to believe in miracles that you don't personally witness, it can seem hard to believe in an involved caring God. How to split the difference? Either bcome an agnostic (I don't see how a knowledge-seeker could ever be satisfied with this), or a deist.


7 posted on 12/26/2004 3:05:36 PM PST by DameAutour ("The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them.")
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Habermas was a contributor to a superb book called "The Case For Christ." It's an investigation into the reality of Jesus from a secular point of view. The atheist author Lee Strobel becomes a believer while doing the research for the book. Fascinating! There's one area of analysis I don't agree with but recommend the book for every Christian's library. p_w...Seeds of Israel


8 posted on 12/26/2004 3:06:44 PM PST by patriot_wes
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As a former atheist, I can tell you that a deist/agnostic is a cowardly atheist.

Or a searching pre-Christian.


9 posted on 12/26/2004 3:08:45 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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You religious people crack me up. You make such a big deal about one atheist seeing the light but it's just the beginning phases of senility.


11 posted on 12/26/2004 3:32:53 PM PST by bannedfromdu
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I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. The Devil himself couldn't have designed a religion with more power to turn a person away from God. It's been a long crawl back from atheism for me. God bless anyone who can do it. It isn't easy.
26 posted on 12/26/2004 5:02:11 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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I know that "appeal to authority" is used as an excuse not to listen to expert testimony at times- and at times rightly so. Still, is this not evidence that there must be SOMETHING to the intelligent design arguments? Flew is perhaps the world's best known debating athiest. I've a book of his debate with Warren on my shelf. He gave Dawkins a chance to rip the ID arguments and Dawk could not close the deal.


27 posted on 12/26/2004 5:05:15 PM PST by Ahban
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Interesting read...I had Gary Habermas as a professor for a few classes in college (at Liberty). He was always interesting; I learned a lot in those classes.


32 posted on 12/26/2004 5:45:00 PM PST by xjcsa (Everything matters if anything matters at all...)
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"I mean a genuine friendship where you're there for them in season and out of season. You're there for them when they're having bad days. You can tell them things that are on your mind. ... It's not connected to whether the people convert or not."

That's what Jesus did, and that is Jesus in us doing the same.

Praying for Flew to embrace the Resurrection, and "fly" into the arms of Jesus.

34 posted on 12/26/2004 6:01:45 PM PST by mombonn ( íViva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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bttt


44 posted on 12/26/2004 7:56:20 PM PST by PowerPro (DOUBLE W - He's STILL the one. Now don't that feel GOOD????)
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Save for later.


51 posted on 12/26/2004 9:36:40 PM PST by krunkygirl
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"'If you said that to him, he would say, "I'm just going where the evidence leads."'"

Christ passes all understanding. I don't think you become a Christian by examining evidence.


53 posted on 12/26/2004 9:38:31 PM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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Very telling that the best arguments of leading atheist darwinist Richard Dawkins failed to keep Antony Flew an atheist

Indeed. Since reading and studying some issues regarding the staggering, entwined complexity of the structure of the Bible, I've come to believe it would be almost impossible for anyone to open-mindedly and intellectually approach the Bible from that perspective and not be convinced of its divinity. The plaintext is wondrous enough, of course, but to see the way sixty-six separate books penned by over forty scribes over a period spanning thousands of years come together in an intricate mesh of perfection is utterly awesome. It is mathematically impossible that its origin isn't from a single source outside our space-time domain.

MM

99 posted on 12/27/2004 8:30:58 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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