[Mutiny in the Pakistan army?] - 30 More Pakistani Soldiers to Get Death Penalty for Indiscipline

"Ur one one-liners arnt proving any point. "

---That was only an observation to suggest that u dont have much left to say except for one-liners.

8	“see the links below:”

Interesting links, here is what I gleaned from them.

Pakistani nuclear forces
This is a report written by Shannon N. Kile, a researcher for a leftist, anti-war think tank in Stockholm (good choice, btw). But even he says: "Some of these weapons are probably stored in unassembled form at dispersed locations". "Some" and "probably"? Hmmm, not exactly ringing endorsement of your "it is a well known fact...".

I see that your expert Kile also says that Pakistan has only "30–50 nuclear weapons", rather than your hyperbole in post #1 of "about a 100 nuclear warheads". You seem to be gaining quite a rep for posting unreliable and hyped claims.

Pakistan Special Weapons Facilities
Almost the same as with your first link, this GlobalSecurity.org webpage says: "Reportedly, most of these weapons are stockpiled as separate uranium and plutonium cores and detonation assemblies". "Reportedly" and "most"? What happened to "it is a well known fact..."? LOL, It looks like they didn't get your memo!

That webpage also says that "Pakistan is believed to [have] somewhere between two and three dozen nuclear weapons". What happened to the "about a 100 nuclear warheads", that you promised us?

Pakistan Moves Nuclear Weapons
Actually, this was a good link and well worth reading, thanks. On the one hand, while this Washington Post article says: "Pakistan's military began relocating critical nuclear weapons components", that one article hardly buttresses your claim that "it is a well known fact...". But on the other hand, it does substantiate your claim that at least some of the Pakistani nuclear warhead stockpile has, for security reasons, been disassembled into major components and stored in separate locals. Hmmm, Mushi seems pleased with this additional security, so does President Bush, but you don't. Why do you suppose that is? </rhetorical question>

But just like in your previous two links, the WP authors of that article state that Pakistan has "between 30 and 40 warheads", rather than the "about a 100 nuclear warheads" you hyped in your post #1. Have you always had this problem with "fudging" the truth?

Your WP source also goes on to state: "Musharraf...now controls the nuclear weapons program...by virtue of his position as army chief of staff...Pakistan's nuclear program has always been under the control of the military". Since this was your "expert" source, maybe you could use this as an answer to your own question about whether I had any proof that the Pakistani Generals control all their nuclear weapons. (Forgive my reticence to answer that question earlier, but I just felt like I was being asked for proof that the sun will rise tomorrow.)

8	“Wrong. You are changing the ground again with your own definition.”

I don't think I've ever met an FR poster so willing to digress, go off topic, change the subject, ramble on endlessly and invent strawmen, as I've seen you do. I'm still not sure whether it is just your unfortunate personality trait or whether it is done deliberately to obfuscate the issue when you've painted yourself into a corner, like you did with the still unanswered challenge to...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 80 posts, you have offered NO PROOF, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim is a lie.

Your willful failure to directly retract this defamation, means it will stand as a glaring example of the lies you promulgate here on FR, and your agenda to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides your professed support for the GWOT.

You have branded yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

8

“Who died and appointed you the arbiter of honesty mister?
You are the one who still refuses to answer pointed questions addressed to you, not me.
You are the one hiding behind "forum policy" in order to avoid backing up your claim.
Finally, who said that I'll not reply to #83. It is right above. All I needed was a bit of time to write a detailed riposte.”

LOL, you want some cheese with that whine?

--Boot Hill

---That was only an observation to suggest that u dont have much left to say except for one-liners.

Gee, thanks for the explanation. Your critical thinking skills are just way too advanced for me.

"Gee, thanks for the explanation. Your critical thinking skills are just way too advanced for me."

Yup, I realised that already.... just didnt bother mentioning it. Now that u yourself admit .....

That webpage also says that "Pakistan is believed to [have] somewhere between two and three dozen nuclear weapons". What happened to the "about a 100 nuclear warheads", that you promised us?

Does it ever occur to you that estimates of weapons produced by an active nuclear program are not static? LOL.

See this news

One official said the Pakistanis “are more likely to have those numbers 25 to 100 weapons than the Indians.”

The latest estimates, according to Courcy's is over 120 weapons for the Paks, including up to 30 Plutonium devices thanks to the Chinese help at the Khusab facility. But why bother with the facts, right?

How many of your stupid arguments do I have to bust before you stop digging? LOL

Pakistan's nuclear program has always been under the control of the military". Since this was your "expert" source, maybe you could use this as an answer to your own question about whether I had any proof that the Pakistani Generals control all their nuclear weapons. (Forgive my reticence to answer that question earlier, but I just felt like I was being asked for proof that the sun will rise tomorrow.)

Heh Heh. So a "military" is made up only of Generals? What about Lieutenants, Captains, Majors, Colonels and enlisted men? Who's fudging the truth and clutching at straws? This is hilarious.

I'm sure you saw my authoritative quotes from two Pakistani Generals, one of whom served in the Strategic Plans division that oversees the nukes. Do you have any answer to that mister? Youi can't. Because you have nothing.

Nothing except bluster and the 8

Hmmm, Mushi seems pleased with this additional security, so does President Bush, but you don't. Why do you suppose that is?

After all your bluster and blabbering, you are reduced to "Mushi (LOL) and Bush are happy, so am I." Pathetic.

In conclusion, you are a joke. From post# 30 to this one, you have moved the goalposts 4 times. You have also proven to be a hypocrite by not submitting yourself to the same standard as what you demand of others. You have ducked every question put to you, even though I answered every question you asked me.

Let the free thinking Freepers determine as to who's honest and who's dishonest. You have been given the Boot. LOL.

8	“You have ducked every question put to you”

And until you deal with the lie you posted in #1, I won't allow you to distract from that issue...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 80 posts, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim can only be viewed as a lie.

Your willful failure to retract your false and defamatory claim, means that it will stand as a memorial to your agenda to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides any claimed support you have for the GWOT.

You have branded yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

And until you deal with the lie you posted in #1, I won't allow you to distract from that issue

LoL, so you admit that you are flummozed by my questions and don't have the guts to answer them. Thanks for admitting that. Or is it another "forum policy" to allow inept posters to escape responsibility.

In over 80 posts, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim can only be viewed as a lie.

That is a LIE

You are worse than Baghdad Bob. I have made numerous attempts to answer your changing questions.

In my posts , I have done the following:

1. Showed you expert quotes on the dangers of Islamist sympathies among the men guarding Pakistan's facilities. Post#32

2. Showed that PALs only guard against misuse of nuclear detonation assemblies and do not protect disassembled cores or nuclear fuel. Posts #32, 54 and 63

3. Showed in posts# 82 and #98 as to why terrorists do not need warhead codes to get access to a nuclear device.

4. Showed in Post# 98 with direct quotes from Pakistan Army officials, including a General in charge of their nuclear weapons division that their safety is weak and that individuals at the lower level do have access to the codes as well as weapons.

5. Showed in Post# 106 that the US has now revised Pakistan's nuclear arsenal number to 100 or more. You have ignored all my above posts and repeat a LIE that I have not offered any proof.

If my posts above aren't replies to your silly blue question, then what are they? Why have you changed the question so many times?

It is time for YOU to put up the proofs for all the bogus claims you have made, including your claim that only Generals have access to "Pakistan's nuclear codes"

8	“In my posts , I have done the following:”

All of which are off-point and do nothing to answer the charge against you...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 80 posts, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim can only be viewed as a lie.

Your willful failure to retract your false and defamatory claim, means that it will stand as a memorial to your agenda to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides any claimed support you have for the GWOT.

You continue to brand yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

All of which are off-point and do nothing to answer the charge against you...

LOL. That says it all.

You are no one to bring a "charge" against anyone. Get a life and stop spamming a perfectly good thread. Leave the discussion to those of us that have intellectual honesty.

Good bye.

8	“You are no one to bring a 'charge'”

And you are apparently, no one to answer a charge...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 80 posts, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim can only be viewed as a lie.

Your willful failure to either justify or retract your false and defamatory claim, means that it will stand as a memorial to your agenda to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides any claimed support you have for the GWOT.

You continue to label yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

Get a life and stop spamming me.

8	“stop spamming me.”

Sorry, that's not within your power to demand. As long as you post lies and defamations against U.S. foreign policy, and refuse to retract them, you will be held to account, just like this...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 80 posts, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim can be viewed as nothing less than a lie.

You have been given ample opportunity to either justify or retract your false and defamatory claim. That you haven't, means that it will stand as a memorial to your agenda to sow doubt and discord and to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides any claimed support you have for the GWOT.

Once again, you continue to label yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

8	“Talk to the hand.”

For the lack of substantive answers to the defamations you post against U.S. foreign policy, I might as well be talking to your hand. You have yet to answer these charges...

“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1

In over 90 posts (and counting), and despite repeated requests, you've failed to offer any proof, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Thus, your claim must be viewed as nothing less than a deliberate lie.

You have been given ample opportunity to either justify or retract your false and defamatory claim. That you haven't, means that it must stand as a memorial to your agenda to sow doubt and discord and to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides any claimed support you have for the GWOT.

Without shame, you continue to label yourself as dishonest.

--Boot Hill

Good job calling him on his lie Boot Hill. I'm sick and tired of detractors of our foreign policy who offer no realistic alternatives but like to bash Bush all day long.

"I'm sick and tired of detractors of our foreign policy"

Amen to that! President Bush has done a stellar job in prosecuting this war. The only front that threatens his efforts are the fifth-columnists, sowing the seeds of fear, despair, dissent and discord, here at home.

--Boot Hill

This is some lengthy discussion between Boot Hill and Saber...good thing we are not all at my favorite bar...we would all be looking for bail $$ at the station house now!

It reminded me of that Dustion Hoffman movie, Marathon Man. It took awhile, but the tooth finally came out.

--Boot Hill