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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp (Vietnam Human Rights Bill)
International Christian Concern ^ | 12/27/2004 | Montagnard Foundation

Posted on 12/27/2004 5:36:00 AM PST by miltonim

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To: Neville72; Sic Luceat Lux; Liz; JLO; All

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HILLARY, you're no BILL CLINTON

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577500/posts


...except that both were pro-actively on the side of our then No. 1 terrorist enemy, Communist North Vietnam Dictator HO CHI MINH, and against FREEDOM for others during the Vietnam War.

And nothing has changed since, except that it's now our own FREEDOM that's at stake right here at home in a new time of war...

...with the CLINTONS pushing hard to re-abuse our precious Oval Office.

(More Pictures)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

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151 posted on 02/13/2006 9:11:20 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Bttt


152 posted on 02/13/2006 9:44:20 AM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: miltonim; Alamo-Girl; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; JLO; Calpernia; Mia T; All

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And now the same ones who were against Freedom for a once Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War...

...are still against the Freedom of others in a new time of war.

...Even with ours now directly at stake here at home:



Hanoi Jane Fonda coming to Mill Valley CA Feb. 22 ("Sir, No Sir" Vietnam anti-war era documentary)

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580269/posts


For, you see,

...the enemy is now within...

...and always has been.


153 posted on 02/17/2006 8:38:34 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I finally bought that book and video last week, We were Soldiers.


154 posted on 02/17/2006 9:12:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Bttt


155 posted on 02/17/2006 9:14:48 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: killjoy
Strawman arguement... Please give me documented proof that people are sent to camps in Vietnam for simply being Christian.

My wife just got back from Vietnam. The people in Vietnam are hungry for the Word, but all churches are underground. People are arrested all the time for Christianity.

156 posted on 02/17/2006 9:21:02 PM PST by Always Right
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To: R. Scott
Some of them still claim there was no retaliation. All the South Vietnamese were happy to see the North win.

My wife was lucky enough to escape with her family in 1975. They move to the country to get away from the government indoctronation before escaping on a small boat. They were extremely fortunate not to be killed.

157 posted on 02/17/2006 9:25:39 PM PST by Always Right
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


158 posted on 02/17/2006 9:55:14 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Always Right

Very fortunate indeed.


159 posted on 02/18/2006 3:30:20 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Calpernia

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As then Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE kept saying to his men over and over again during the Battle of IA DRANG-1965...

"That's just OUTSTANDING..!!!"

http://www.lzxray.com
http://www.WeWereSoldiers.com


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160 posted on 02/18/2006 10:08:58 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: kahoutek; All

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...and now those who fooled us into leaving the people of a then Free South Vietnam behind to their fate at the hands of godless bullies...

...are at it again against the people of a Free Iraq:

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1581689/posts

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161 posted on 02/19/2006 12:01:01 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: kahoutek; All

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See what I mean..?
It's all coming true again:


Democrats may unite on plan to pull troops

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582093/posts

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162 posted on 02/20/2006 9:07:12 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: kahoutek; antaresequity; All

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And the American People are finally responding CLEARLY:


Rice rises, Clinton slips in polls

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582496/posts

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163 posted on 02/21/2006 8:44:37 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: miltonim

BUMP for justice.


164 posted on 02/23/2006 8:18:58 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: miltonim; ThanhPhero; Coleus; StarCMC; risk; All

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JANE FONDA Roast June 1st Atlanta Georgia Aquarium

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1584827/posts

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165 posted on 02/24/2006 10:40:01 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Viet_Thuy

Quotes from your link
1) "the Government maintained supervisory control of the recognized religions"
2) "There have been credible reports since 1999 that officials pressured many Hmong and other ethnic minority Protestants in several northwestern provinces as well as many Montagnards in several Central Highland provinces to renounce their faith"
3) "the penal code, as amended in 1997, established penalties for offenses that are defined only vaguely, including "attempting to undermine national unity" by promoting "division between religious believers and non-believers."
4) "In some cases, particularly involving Hmong and Montagnard Protestants and Hoa Hao followers, when authorities charged persons with practicing religion illegally, they used Article 258 of the Penal Code that allowed for jail terms of up to 3 years for "abus(ing) the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of belief, religion, assembly, association and other democratic freedoms to infringe upon the interests of the State."
5) During the period covered by this report, some members of unrecognized religious groups were beaten, arrested, and/or detained by the authorities.

If I read the the Department of State report correctly, people aren't sent to a reeducation camps simply for being a Christian. They are sent there for not being an approved Christian or other religious faith.

If the state appoints the church leaders and dictates what church policies are then its a state church.


166 posted on 02/26/2006 4:30:01 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: kcvl; All

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Freedom ping

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167 posted on 02/26/2006 11:38:51 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: killjoy
Who taught you to excuse the inhumanity and slavery of Communism?

Why are you trying to excuse the clear torture and imprisonment of Vietnamese in this and earlier posts?

Civilian (nonpolitical/non-religious prisoners are NOT tortured and treated that way in Vietnamese (civil crimes) prisons by uniformed Vietnamese soldiers.

Do you think that the USSR's gold and oil and timber exports from Siberia were done by "employees" or "slaves/political prisoners" who were worked to death by the millions from the 1920's through the 1990's?
168 posted on 02/26/2006 11:44:18 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: killjoy; chauquach

Care to refute this experience?

Or those of the other South Vietnamese boat people I've lived with ?


169 posted on 02/26/2006 11:46:28 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
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While working in Little Saigon CA during the 2004 Presidential Campaign helping to register 1,000's of free Vietnamese-Americans to vote, some for the first time ever,

...I was personally blessed to have my fingers placed into the long deep scars to those those who had had their stomachs cut open down to their navels by Communist Vietnamese guards in Re-Education Camps.
"Why did this do this to me?" they all asked me.
"Because they COULD, there was nothing to stop them" was my response.
...This voter registration drive helped Orange County CA become the reddest of red counties in America in 2004. And the drive continues to change the face of this county, giving us the 1st Vietnamese-American to take office as a State Legislator in U.S. History.

Making the biggest difference of all.
170 posted on 02/26/2006 5:03:36 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; All

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In the finest American Tradition...


TRAN Blast DEAN: Calls of Solidarity in Iraq

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536289/posts

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171 posted on 02/26/2006 5:06:17 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: miltonim

Pictures of why communists should NEVER be allowed a voice in this country.


172 posted on 02/26/2006 5:19:35 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: killjoy
My South Vietnamese friend at work, her mother, brothers and sisters, (all just under ten), were sent to the "re-eduation" camp where her father was murdered by the guards. The family were Catholics and were terribly mistreated and nearly starved for two years. By a miracle, they made it to a camp in Thailand and eventually came to the States. They never could bear to think about what they had been through under the North Viet commie "educators."

My friend hardly spoke English when she started as a clerk at our company. Two years later she had her HS degree and then entered college. In far less time than I took, she graduated with honors, went on to get an MBA and helped her family do especially well. She was promoted several times at work and deserved every one.

173 posted on 02/26/2006 5:30:48 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Why are you trying to excuse the clear torture and imprisonment of Vietnamese in this and earlier posts?

Again, those are publicity pictures for a movie that were/are being passed around as being the real deal. Faking evidence only cheapens your message.

174 posted on 02/26/2006 8:08:12 PM PST by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: Paulus Invictus
My South Vietnamese friend at work, her mother, brothers and sisters, (all just under ten), were sent to the "re-eduation" camp where her father was murdered by the guards.

Of course, as were others. My point is they were not sent there simply because they were Catholic like many want to believe.

175 posted on 02/26/2006 8:09:36 PM PST by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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Actually these Re-Education Camp Pictures accurately depict the suffering the once Free Vietnamese suffered at the hands of the Communist Vietnamese quite well. Wait till you see them in "living" color in the stunning Vietnamese-American "JOURNEY from the FALL" Motion Picture, as I did in Little Saigon on the 30th Anniversary of the Fall of Saigon.


It just rips your heart out at its beginning to hear world famous Vietnamese actress KIEU CHINH depicting a Saigon Matriarch ...correctly telling her family as Saigon fell that we Americans had ABONDONED them to their coming dreadful fate. And then we too experience that dreadfulness they all endured after losing their Freedom to Godless Communist bullies from the North.

An abandonment caused in the end when WALTER CRONKITE fooled us into leaving the Free Vietnamese behind and Sen. TED KENNEDY then got Congress to cut-off all our funding of the South Vietnamese Military to fight for its own Freedom with.

Just as the Soviet Union, according to now accessible Soviet KGB Files, gave $6 Billion in Military aid to the Communist North for its final solution in the South.


All viewed at the 2006 Sundance Film Festival by Actor ROBERT REDFORD.


JOURNEY from the FALL website:

http://www.journeyfromthefall.com

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176 posted on 02/27/2006 7:30:41 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Actually these Re-Education Camp Pictures accurately depict the suffering the once Free Vietnamese suffered at the hands of the Communist Vietnamese quite well. Wait till you see them in "living" color in the stunning Vietnamese-American "JOURNEY from the FALL" Motion Picture, as I did in Little Saigon on the 30th Anniversary of the Fall of Saigon.

The trailer is amazing - thanks for the link. I see that the screenplay is written by someone named Tran -- any relation to the California Assemblyman?

Is this picture released in the U.S. yet?

177 posted on 02/27/2006 6:58:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde (The best service a retired general can give is to...mothball his opinions. Omar Bradley)
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To: Albion Wilde; Alamo-Girl; All

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Thank you for accessing the unforgettable Motion Picture...


"JOURNEY from the FALL"
http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com


...which is not yet in general theatrical release, but will be ..especially after it's appearance at the Sundance Film Festival this year.

...Every American should see it and then start to wonder WHY the same people who fooled us into abandoning the Free Vietnamese people to such a dreadful fate long ago...

...are doing all that they can to have us abandon the Free Iraqi people to a similiarly dreadful fate..?

WITH OUR OWN FREEDOM DIRECTLY AT STAKE HERE AT HOME..????

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178 posted on 02/27/2006 9:06:23 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


179 posted on 02/27/2006 9:08:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sic Luceat Lux; All

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Here's a Freedom 4-All ping 4-U...

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180 posted on 02/28/2006 8:23:44 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Here's a Freedom 4-All /// back to you Great American!!
Bttt
181 posted on 02/28/2006 8:44:13 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Former Military Chick; All

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Here*s a Freedom 4-All ping 2-U...


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182 posted on 03/02/2006 8:03:43 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: miltonim; Liz; All

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And now the one who helped impose a...

..'COMMUNIST STATE'..

upon a once Free South Vietnam long ago...

...is at it again here:


HILL slams GOP 'POLICE STATE'

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1592971/posts

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183 posted on 03/09/2006 7:09:49 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Sic Luceat Lux; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Mia T; All

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Fools still rush in, it appears,

...where Angels fear to tread:

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594901/posts *


* There's some outstanding, well-informed counter-replies for all to see on this http://www.Freerepublic.com thread

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184 posted on 03/12/2006 10:15:58 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Good Afternoon bump!


185 posted on 03/12/2006 10:23:45 AM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: kahoutek; ThanhPhero; Coleus; Sic Luceat Lux; Alamo-Girl; miltonim; All

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Oh, the times they are a-changin'...


ROVE says troops will remain in Iraq, despite calls for withdrawal

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595174/posts

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186 posted on 03/12/2006 8:00:59 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


187 posted on 03/12/2006 8:52:36 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl; All

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Cambodia's Killers

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1596704/posts



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188 posted on 03/15/2006 7:19:34 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


189 posted on 03/15/2006 10:25:32 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: miltonim; Sic Luceat Lux; Coleus; smoothsailing; Alamo-Girl; Mia T; kristinn; All

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Look's like somebody's listening..?


On this the 3rd Anniversary of Freedom's arrival to Iraq comes...


Rumsfeld: Leaving Iraq now is like handing Germany back to Nazis

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1599050/posts


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190 posted on 03/19/2006 6:38:16 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: miltonim

And the left complains about Gitmo.


191 posted on 03/19/2006 6:41:17 AM PST by hershey
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To: hershey; smoothsailing; All

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Thank you for your CLARITY, hershey.

My hands were recently put into the deep long scars of Vietnamese-Americans now living in Little Saigon CA who had had their stomachs cut open clear down to their navels by communist Vietnamese guards in Vietnamese Re-Education Camps. A direct result of our being fooled by the Anti-Freedom left on our TV's into abandoning Vietnam in the 1970's.

No comments from the Anti-Freedom left now about this means that they don't even want to hear about it ...or others to hear about it either.

To do so would force too many to face a reality view of the world that they have always been running from so very passionately/. And the wrath put upon them by the newly informed would be devasting.

For...
the Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.


AR

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192 posted on 03/19/2006 10:24:11 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
For...
the Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

I know you'll stay strong Ronnie, and all of us must.


193 posted on 03/19/2006 12:51:42 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: miltonim; Sic Luceat Lux; All

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Vietnam deserter says going to Canada 'wasn't worth it'

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600894/posts

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194 posted on 03/22/2006 6:52:00 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Bttt


195 posted on 03/23/2006 12:56:22 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: smoothsailing; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; Mia T; Sic Luceat Lux; All

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And now Freedom's Enemies are making their move against our internet Freedom Weapon:

SPECIAL STATEMENT ON GOVERNMENT'S ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY THE INTERNET (FR mentioned)



http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602979/posts


196 posted on 03/25/2006 12:50:44 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: kahoutek; All

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And finally...
Vietnam War...
9/11...
Lifesaving hero RICK RESCORLA...
...is joyfully honored at...
...Ft. Benning's unveiling...
...of his own 'Follow Me' Statue:

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608896/posts

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197 posted on 04/06/2006 8:50:34 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: smoothsailing; Sic Luceat Lux; doug from upland; RonDog; All

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Last night on CNN...
former CBS News TV anchor...
and media liar WALTER CRONKITE...
stated that...


because of the continued rise...
of the Internet news source...
TV Network news will continue...
its own lessening of influence...
with the American People,
KATIE COURIC or no KATIE COURIC...
on CBS.

And that it would be just "wonderful" if some TV journalist helped get us out of Iraq...
the same way he helped us get out of Vietnam long ago.

Aren't we are so very blessed... that WALTER CRONKITE...
is no longer that...
same influential TV journalist..?

Just ask the once Free South Vietnamese people.

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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198 posted on 04/09/2006 7:12:18 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
A wonderful RICK RESCORLA thread from just days after the Attacks of Sept. 11th:

Just read this/amazing man he was. The Best!

199 posted on 04/09/2006 10:41:42 AM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Aren't we are so very blessed... that WILTE
CONKUAT...
is no longer that...
same influential TV journalist..?

We won't miss him!

200 posted on 04/09/2006 10:46:57 AM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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