Posted on 12/27/2004 5:36:00 AM PST by miltonim
Kind of gives us an idea of what they have in mind for us if their dreams of total control come true.
Indonesia and I will be more than happy to elaborate in the near future.
Apples and oranges. The discussion is about Vietnam and 'communists' oppressing Christians for practicing their faith. I stand by my comments that this is not happening in Vietnam and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Vietnam is, in many ways, now more westernized than a lot of western countries.
Yes, there is oppression by Muslims in various countries around the world, but that is a different story.
"Wishful thinking. No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian."
Perhaps you would like to trade places with the Christian Chinese who were recently arrested? If not then why not spend a few HOURS at this website to keep yourself from looking like the perfect a-hole.
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/index.php
I noticed your lack of concern for these people. Why not spend some time here to see if your anti-Christian beliefs are of any value to you?
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/allstories.php
Where in Vietnam were they arrested? I couldn't find it on that site.
...to keep yourself from looking like the perfect a-hole.
Ad hominem attacks are used in a discussion when one side runs out of facts and must resort to attacking the character of the other person. Thanks for proving me right.
It is not a lack of concern and I am not anti-Christian at all. My point is the story in question, the origin of this thread, is not real. Sorry, nobody in Vietnam is being persecuted simply for religious beliefs. Yes bad things happen there, and in Laos, but it is not simply because someone is a Christian.
"Sorry, nobody in Vietnam is being persecuted simply for religious beliefs."
Whatever you smoke or drink certainly is affecting your sense of logic.
In one portion of the video a Montagnard described how Vietnamese authorities chained him to a wall while forcing him to stand over nails in 2003. Vietnamese police taunted him by saying, "Where is your Jesus now?"
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/storydetail.php?storycode=506
Read thru this site and become aware of the torture some people go thru for being Christians.
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/allstories.php?&start=221
By the way, I think the pictures we taken at "tu cai tao."
You are saying that if it wasn't for Christianity, the Montagnards would be left alone by the authorities? It is only because of their religion that they are being 'persecuted'? Give me a break. I have no idea if this report is accurate or not, but I know there is a lot more to the story than just this.
Your profile says you live in Nevada. I am living in Thailand. That should be a strong hint to you that I know what is going on in this part of the world. I have spent time in Laos, Vietnam, and Burma this year. How about you?
Yes there are human rights violations in Vietnam, Laos, Burma, Malaysia, and even Thailand. Stating that they are simply because of religious persecution completely trivializes what these people are going through. If you really cared about these people, you would care about all the people involved in the abuses and not simply 'Christians'.
I am curious why the site you are so fond of doesn't mention persecution for other reasons. Maybe because it does not fit into their narrow agenda?
Actually a movie set in Thailand. Thanks for playing.
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'No Time to Rest' - 1st Vietnamese-American Legislator VAN TRAN's 1st Year
http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1491002/posts
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And now...
...the Legacy of the Freedom-Loving Vietnamese People lives on:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050927/480/canu11309270602
(Photo taken last night at LAX by Pulitizer Prize Winning AP News Photographer NICK ULT)
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I can't believe what I am reading. "are the picutures real?" Where have you guys been living? Under a rock?
The pictures of torture and unhumane treatment of another human being have nothing to do with John Kerry, the Democrats, or the Republicans. They are pictures of torture.
Unless you are a Vietnamese or know of one, you wouldn't bellieve that the VC had put almost all who had anything to do with the old regime in their so called "reeducation" camps. These were prisons. They didn't just imprisoned war criminals, high ranking officers, they imprisoned everybody.
My cousins and I grew up without our fathers. My father and 4 of his brothers were imprisoned. Two were in for 10 years each.
My father was a captain, but he didn't kill anyone. He was a professor at the Polwar college in DALAT. They imprisoned him for 4 years. His last days were spent in that box you saw in the picture. Starved and beaten. After 30 days, they stangled him with their bare hands. They didn't even burry him. He was tossed out into the woods!!!!
All of you who have never seen war, went to war, nor lived through a war shouldn't be to quick to jump on the Bush wagon...
"Unless you are a Vietnamese or know of one, you wouldn't believe"
I believe it. And I am deeply shamed that my country deserted its ally.
At the same time, I have been advocating war against Islam since well before the first Gulf War. My reason for supporting it was perhaps expressed best by Dwight Eisenhower: "Americans, indeed all free men, remember that in the final choice a soldier's pack is not so heavy a burden as a prisoner's chains."
First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1953
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NEVER FORGET
It has been my direct experience in life that...
...the one thing the LOVE Itself needs more of in this world,
...for GOD is LOVE, is...
...more LOVE.
This only comes when...
...people are FREE =
<<<<< FREEDOM 4 VIETNAM >>>>>
http://nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=34708&z=3
NEVER FORGET
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Get and/or learn some history under your belt.
I live in Thailand and spend about half of my time with the Thai Border Patrol Police. Care to share your credentials on the current situation in SEA?
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