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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp (Vietnam Human Rights Bill)
International Christian Concern ^ | 12/27/2004 | Montagnard Foundation

Posted on 12/27/2004 5:36:00 AM PST by miltonim

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To: Always Right
The anti-communist leaders, some, let alone most of them, were hopelessly corrupt, hell-bent on power, or even worse, covertly siding with the communists and using them as puppets to achieve their own agendas. That was what caused southern Vietnamese people (like my parents) to suffer the consequences.
951 posted on 07/15/2009 1:05:55 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: antonia

No. They were taken in the years following the fall of Saigon, when Vietnam was reunified under the red flag with yellow star (currently the Socialist Republic of Vietnam).

The reeducation camp inmates were predominantly former South Vietnamese military personnel. They were forced into writing confessions, mostly trivial, about the things they had done while serving in the former South Vietnamese military.


952 posted on 07/15/2009 1:10:20 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: All; myknowledge

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NEVER FORGET

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Vietnamese Clergy - Longtime Communist Vietnam Re-Edcuation Camp prisoners

Vietnamsese Clergy - Longtime Communist Vietnam Jail prisoners

And the beat goes on:

Prominent Vietnam Pastor Flees Encirlced Home, then Jailed, Wife Beaten

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2304032/posts

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NEVER FORGET

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953 posted on 10/07/2009 7:01:49 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Landru; do the dhue; Kathy in Alaska; ExTexasRedhead; mdcrandall; Boston; txradioguy

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As this outstanding Thread of CLARITY passes its ..47,000.. viewings mark:

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Once a soldier ..and young,

They are soldiers still

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66978

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NEVER FORGET

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954 posted on 10/07/2009 8:27:21 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; do the dhue; Landru; condi2008; Coleus

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NEVER FORGET

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Because LOVE is indeed the only reality, not HATE:

It may well be that...
The entire future...
Of the whole Human Race...
May well hinge on our finally,

...during this new 21st Century of ours,

FREEing all the women of the world...
Into being all that they already are...
In GOD’s Eyes...
And all that they can be...
While here on the Planet Earth...
...and beyond.

For all our own best sakes..!!!

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NEVER FORGET

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955 posted on 10/18/2009 8:43:19 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: miltonim; Antonio; Lexington Green; All

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Freedom!

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2383659/posts

Indeed!

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956 posted on 11/11/2009 4:06:02 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Coleus

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NEVER ever FORGET

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957 posted on 01/09/2010 3:11:30 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; myknowledge

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CLARITY =

“JOURNEY from the FALL”

http://www.JourneyfromtheFall.com

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958 posted on 02/18/2010 8:10:05 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; kahoutek; Joy Angela; Coleus; Landru; Lexington Green; ExTexasRedhead

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CLARITY =

Is the Vietnam War dead as an ‘issue’

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89484

(See Miss Saigon postings)

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959 posted on 03/13/2010 8:11:09 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Truth Bump 2010!


960 posted on 03/18/2010 12:39:37 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: All; Joy Angela; Alamo-Girl

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CLARITY =

Is the Vietnam War dead as an ‘issue’

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89484

(See outstanding ‘Miss Saigon’ postings)

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961 posted on 03/28/2010 1:05:24 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


962 posted on 03/28/2010 9:52:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I was shocked to learn recently that after America pulled out of the Vietnam war, the Communists took over the country and murdered so many of the freedom-seeking fellow Vietnamese! I have always heard of the tragegy, but honestly was NEVER taught that our withdrawal led to such horror!

The left just made it seem that the US suffered humiliation by going into the war and focused more on our US soldiers losses... rather than highlighting how the Communist swooped in to kill after we left!!

The real evil was WHAT HAPPENED after we pulled out, not that we were there.

Good tried.

Evil tried harder.


963 posted on 05/08/2010 6:28:00 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: All; Joy Angela

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Good tried.

Evil tried harder...

INDEED...!

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964 posted on 05/21/2010 8:21:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Joy Angela; conservogirl

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CLARITY =

Join VAN TRAN (R) vs. LORETTA SANCHEZ (D) - 1st Viet-American State Legislator goes to Washington

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2528722/posts

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Just for the LOVE of FREEDOM

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965 posted on 06/05/2010 11:14:26 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

TRUTH Bump!!!


966 posted on 07/26/2010 6:23:54 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: judywillow

2/3 of those who served in VN were volunteers. Ask me how I know...And in forward units, ratio was even higher.


967 posted on 08/07/2010 5:06:44 PM PDT by donozark (Always buy your shoes in the afternoon. Your feet are bigger.)
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To: All; Coleus

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NEVER ever FORGET

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968 posted on 12/09/2010 8:28:19 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Lexington Green; reformjoy; Kathy in Alaska; conservogirl; ExTexasRedhead

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NEVER FORGET

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As a Radioman-Driver-Orderly to then Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE, while in 1965’s then Free South Vietnam’s Central Highlands, I was stunned to witness first hand that there really is such a thing as HATE in this world. And people out there who hate the FREE for ..simply being FREE.

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

I have since seen directly that LOVE is indeed the Only Reality and GOD is LOVE. And that the one thing The LOVE Itself needs more of in this world is ..more LOVE.

And that only comes when people ..are FREE..!!!

Making soldiers who so selflessly sacrifice to bring more FREEDOM, and thus more LOVE, to the world ..and their loved ones who wait for them to come home or not ..HOLY in GOD’s Eyes.
Bringing a broad smile to His Face in the process.

FREE-ing up people to be all that they already are in GOD’s Eyes and all that they can be while here on the Planet Earth.

‘It’s WHO YOU ARE’ is sung at the ending of Director RANDALL WALLACE’s 2010 Motion Picture “SECRETARIAT.” RANDALL wrote the song’s words. He also wrote the stirring words to the ‘MANSIONS of the LORD’ hymn, which is sung at the ending of his 2002 Motion Picture “WE WERE SOLDIERS.” For in life, it’s not what you have that counts. ‘It’s WHO YOU ARE.’

http://mommylife.net/archives/2010/10/secretariat_the.html

‘MANSIONS of the LORD’ went on to become publically known as ‘The REAGAN RECESSIONAL’ as well. For it was stirringly sung by the Marine Corps Choir as President RONALD REAGAN’s flag draped casket was being carried out from his Washington, D.C. funeral for flight back to his REAGAN Presidential Libary final resting place. This hymn was to be soon heard by tour guests as they leave the Library ..forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WDrbbtaO0E

For President RONALD REAGAN was as much a soldier standing on the front line fighting for the FREEDOM of others, as we soldiers who were physically putting our own lives on the line out there.

http://www.ReaganLibrary.com

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NEVER FORGET

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969 posted on 02/17/2011 11:47:01 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: killjoy
From what I heard, people aren't sent to a re-education camp just because they're Christian per se. *However*, if they join a Church that's not part of a official government condoned denomination, or distribute religious literature without government permission, that's a different story.
970 posted on 02/20/2011 4:49:41 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare=Obamacare lite.)
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To: Jacob Kell
*However*, if they join a Church that's not part of a official government condoned denomination, or distribute religious literature without government permission, that's a different story.

Totally untrue.

971 posted on 02/20/2011 10:23:01 PM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy

Here are some links you might be interested in:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Persecution/Default.aspx?id=1257128

http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/3507-172010-wsj-vietnam-plays-rough-.html

http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/3507-172010-wsj-vietnam-plays-rough-.html

http://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/press-releases/3458-11172010-uscirf-comment-on-state-departments-annual-report-on-international-religious-freedom.html


972 posted on 02/21/2011 3:33:16 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare=Obamacare lite.)
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To: killjoy

> It is probably more capitalist now than the US is.

Fellow FReeper visualops posted that his co-worker friend showed him a paper their family got from the Vietnamese government recently saying to move the dead from the family cemetery as the Hanoi government decided they “needed” the land. I guess that Hanoi decided to adopt our concept of “Eminent Domain”. But seriously, I have heard it said that the Vietnamese economy is a mixed economy like China’s, with somewhat more government involvement.


973 posted on 02/21/2011 3:38:17 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare=Obamacare lite.)
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To: Jacob Kell

Vietnam’s economy is booming and a huge amount of capital is being spent on high tech investments in the country. Many western companies are using it as a base of operations since the government has adopted a very capitalist attitude. The Vietnam War is over for the Vietnamese and was over a long time ago. The American involvement will end up being a small footnote in their history books saddled between the French on one side and the Sino-Vietnamese & Cambodian-Vietnamese Wars on the other. The only place it still lives on is in the minds of Americans.


974 posted on 02/21/2011 5:08:37 AM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy

>Vietnam’s economy is booming and a huge amount of capital is being spent on high tech investments in the country. Many western companies are using it as a base of operations since the government has adopted a very capitalist attitude.

As I said, Vietnam’s economy is similar to China’s. :-)

>The only place it still lives on is in the minds of Americans.

Does that mean we should turn a blind eye to any human rights abuses if they occur?


975 posted on 02/21/2011 8:02:42 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare=Obamacare lite.)
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To: Jacob Kell

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http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

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976 posted on 02/21/2011 12:54:31 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Jacob Kell
Does that mean we should turn a blind eye to any human rights abuses if they occur?

It means many things are trumped up to fit an agenda of demonizing Vietnam. If you are really curious if things are as many on this thread say, go on vacation and see for yourself. It is a beautiful country and they welcome American tourists with open arms.

977 posted on 02/22/2011 12:57:26 AM PST by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Never Forget “bump”


978 posted on 04/18/2011 8:52:07 PM PDT by reformjoy
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To: All; ThanhPhero

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Just for the LOVE of FREEDOM...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_from_the_Fall

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979 posted on 11/07/2011 8:37:55 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Coleus

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NEVER FORGET

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“WE WERE SOLDIERS” & “GREEN DRAGON” Vietnamese Actor DON DUONG dies at Age 55

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16072280

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NEVER FORGET

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980 posted on 12/08/2011 12:57:10 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Coleus

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NEVER FORGET

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“WE WERE SOLDIERS” -

Now available in new special Paramount Pictures’ 100th Anniversary DVD/Blu-Ray Editions,
complete with special enclosures celebrating our “WE WERE SOLDIERS” Battle of IA DRANG-1965’s 3 Congressional Medal of Honor Recipients.

Well Done, Paramount Pictures, Thank you.

http://www.lzxray.com
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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NEVER FORGET

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981 posted on 07/22/2012 9:49:10 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Hey Brother, a Vietnam buddy emailed me this yesterday, I thought of you and thought I'd post it here...

NEVER FORGET....................................

Please see photo. Actor Sam Elliot, in the movie "We Were Soldiers", masterfully played SGM Basil Plumley. LTC Moore(played by Mel Gibson) looks his age. I was fortunate to meet Plumley and Moore at the Rick Rescorla statue dedication at Ft Benning. LTC Bruce Crandall(Snake Sh*t--played by Greg Kinnear) looks good. All were hard to kill. Please see Joe Galloway comment below on SGM Plumley.

Ia Drang Valley veterans attend Ranger reunion

May 3, 2012

By VINCE LITTLE

Ia Drang Reunion
Retired Command Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley, far right, speaks Saturday during the Battle of Ia Drang Valley program. Pictured, from left, are other key figures: Tony Nadal, Hal Moore, Bruce Crandall and John Herren.

FORT BENNING, Ga. (May 2, 2012) -- A gathering of heroes and legends took place Saturday in Columbus.

The leaders and Soldiers who fought in the Battle of Ia Drang Valley, the U.S. military's first large-scale engagement in the Vietnam War, came together at the downtown Marriott for what could be a final time to share memories and discuss their roles in an event chronicled in the 1992 memoir, We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young. It also got adapted into the 2002 film, We Were Soldiers, part of which was filmed at Fort Benning.

"Welcome to history," said Roger Messick, who coordinated a three-day reunion of Ranger Classes 4 and 5, which graduated in 1958. "I'm sure it's happened many times in the past. Considering age and health, I'm not sure how many more times it'll happen in the future."

The two-hour Ia Drang Valley program kicked off the reunion's final day. It featured a question-and-answer session with some of the battle's key players, including retired Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and retired Command Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley, who led Fort Benning's 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment.

The four-day fight in November 1965, part of a larger operation known as Silver Bayonet, was costly for the U.S. -- 79 Soldiers were killed at Landing Zone X-Ray, and 155 more from 2nd Battalion after an ambush at LZ Albany. More than 250 troops were wounded at Ia Drang Valley, while 305 Soldiers died in the entire 35-day operation.

"These are figures that today's Army looks at, and they're stunned," said Joe Galloway, a war correspondent and journalist who co-wrote the book with Moore. "But there were more Americans killed in the Ia Drang Valley in November 1965 than in the entire Persian Gulf War. And that's a good thing we can bring the kind of power to bear at times where a whole war goes by with fewer casualties than one battle.

"It changed all our lives, for the better mostly. No man left that field quite the same man he was when he arrived. Too much happened too quick in every direction."

The surprise attack Nov. 17 that overran the marching column of 2-7 Cav. Soldiers near LZ Albany was the deadliest ambush of a U.S. unit during the Vietnam War. Galloway said it took a particularly heavy toll on C Company, which started the day with 110 Soldiers. The following morning, eight were accounted for -- everybody else was dead or wounded.

Retired Col. Tony Nadal, who served as a rifle company commander at the Ia Drang battle, said he took less than 100 Soldiers into X-Ray. Eighteen were killed and 26 wounded, including all three of his platoon leaders.

"There were a lot of tough battles in Vietnam," he said. "I will say it was fierce. One of my sergeants killed a (North Vietnamese soldier) with his bayonet. My machine gunner was killing people with a .45-caliber pistol."

Retired Col. John Herren, another company commander in the battle, talked about the infamous "Lost Platoon" depicted in the book and movie.

"I want to make a point here -- it wasn't lost," he said. "Joe Galloway and General Moore, I don't know how you got that into the book. They were not lost; they were cut off.

"Now, they didn't know exactly where they were," he quipped, drawing laughter from the audience, "but that doesn't mean they were lost."

Now 90 and in failing health, Moore made his way to the reunion from Auburn, Ala. He and most in the group returned to Vietnam in 1993. The general said he met with his battlefield counterpart, Nguyen Huu An, then a lieutenant colonel, who commanded North Vietnamese forces at Ia Drang Valley.

"We were both trying to kill each other back in those days, but I went back to the Ia Drang Valley and made friends with him," he said. "There were so many men killed in action on both sides in those terrible battles at X-Ray and Albany."

Retired Col. Bruce Crandall earned the Medal of Honor for his actions in the battle. He flew 22 missions in an unarmed helicopter into enemy fire to bring ammunition and supplies while evacuating the wounded. By the end of the Vietnam War, he had flown more than 900 combat missions.

"Usually, the question I get when I speak is, 'What the hell happened with the medevac?'" Crandall said. "The medevac was led by a commander who shouldn't have had command. He required a green landing zone for five minutes, and of course, the Infantry doesn't get five minutes."

About 42,000 rounds of artillery and ammunition were fired into LZ X-Ray over two days, said Plumley, who wears a Combat Infantryman Badge with two stars for service in World War II, Korea and Vietnam -- one of only 270 issued by the Army.

"That battalion was the best trained, in good physical shape and most disciplined that I've ever seen," he said. "We did real hard training at Fort Benning before we went into X-Ray. … But that battalion was made up of hard, disciplined, well-trained and well-commanded Soldiers who didn't give a damn how rough their training is as long as you're fair about it. I was glad to have been a member of it."

Galloway related an incident from an early reunion many years ago in Columbus that illustrates the respect Plumley commands and fear he still strikes in the unit's veterans.

"It was up in the hospitality room, and everybody's had a few pops. All of a sudden, Sergeant Major Plumley arrives, steps in the door," he said. "And I saw guys who had served a two-year draftee tour in the Army and had been out for 25 or 30 years, turn white, backs against the wall. As the sergeant major made his way into the room, they made their way along the wall and out the door. They were afraid he still had their name and number."

Moore and Galloway collaborated again on We Are Soldiers Still, published in 2008.

"Joe and I made a helluva good team in writing those books," Moore said. "I'm glad to hear they're still popular. I think any captain or lieutenant can read those books, and they'll learn how to do better with their troops and train them better. But no more books."

Crandall said he gave out the 50,000th copy of the first book to U.S. troops in Afghanistan in March.

"They're still not only buying the book, they're using it as their Bible," he said.

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982 posted on 08/09/2012 6:47:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; All

NEVER FORGET

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RONNIE GUYER Photo Collection 1965-66
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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FORGET


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