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Disaster compared to scene from Bible (Planet rotation said affected by 9.0 quake)
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 26, 2004

Posted on 12/27/2004 6:08:33 AM PST by NYer

The largest earthquake in the past 40 years and the resulting deaths of thousands from 33-foot tidal waves are being compared by an American reporter to descriptions of disaster from Holy Scripture.

"The speed with which it all happened seemed like a scene from the Bible – a natural phenomenon unlike anything I had experienced before," said Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs, who was swimming off a Sri Lankan island when the disaster struck this morning.

"As the waters rose at an incredible rate, I half expected to catch sight of Noah's Ark. Instead of the Ark, I grabbed hold of a wooden catamaran that the local people used as a fishing boat. My brother jumped on the boat, next to me. We bobbed up and down on the catamaran, as the water rushed past us into the village beyond the road."

Officials at the U.S. Geological Survey the 9.0 quake centered off the Indonesian island of Sumatra was the world's fifth-largest since 1900 and the biggest since a 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.

The temblor sparked a tsunami, a series of giant walls of water which left more than 14,000 dead in six countries, with the death toll continuing to rise.

Dobbs gives a first-person account of the dramatic event in the Post:

Disaster struck with no warning out of a faultlessly clear blue sky. ... I was a quarter way around the island when I heard my brother shouting at me, "Come back! Come back! There's something strange happening with the sea." ...

In less than a minute, the water level had risen at least 15 feet – but the sea itself remained calm, barely a wave in sight. ...

After a few minutes, the water stopped rising, and I felt it was safe to swim to the shore. What I didn't realize was that the floodwaters would recede as dramatically as they had risen.

All of a sudden, I found myself being swept out to sea with startling speed. Although I am a fairly strong swimmer, I was unable to withstand the current. The fishing boats around me had been torn from their moorings and were furiously bobbing up and down.

For the first time, I felt afraid, powerless to prevent myself from being swept out to sea.

I swam in the direction of one of the loose catamarans, grabbed hold of the hull, and pulled myself to safety. My weight must have slowed the boat down and soon I was stranded on the sand.

As the water rushed out of the bay, I scrambled onto the main road. Screams and yells were coming from the houses behind the road, many of which were still half full of water, trapping the inhabitants inside. Villagers were walking dazed along the road, unable to comprehend what had taken place.

I was worried about my wife who had been on the beach at the time I went for my swim. I eventually found her walking along the road, dazed and happy to be alive. She had been trying to wade back to our island, when the water had carried her across the road and into someone's back yard. At one point she was underwater, struggling for breath. She finally grabbed onto a piece of rope and climbed into a tree, while the waters raged beneath her.

An Italian scientist says the earthquake was so strong, it even disturbed the rotation of the Earth.

"All the planet is vibrating," Enzo Boschi, head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute said on SKY TG24 TV.

The U.S. State Department says at least three Americans are confirmed dead, two in Sri Lanka and one in Thailand.

A written statement from the White House says "the President expresses his sincere condolences for the terrible loss of life and suffering caused by the earthquake and subsequent tsunamis in the region of the Bay of Bengal.

"The United States stands ready to offer all appropriate assistance to those nations most affected including Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Thailand, and Indonesia, as well as the other countries impacted. Already relief is flowing to Sri Lanka and the Maldives. We will work with the affected governments, the United Nations, non-governmental organizations, and other concerned states and organizations to support the relief and response to this terrible tragedy."

Relief agencies say the full scale of the disaster is impossible to assess, since communications have been cut to remote areas.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: earth; earthquake; history; michaeldobbs; rotation; sumatraquake; tidalwaves; tsunami
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1 posted on 12/27/2004 6:08:33 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Let me be the first to say...

















It's Bush's fault!


2 posted on 12/27/2004 6:12:48 AM PST by demlosers
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To: NYer

Interesting analogy Dobbs uses. The same thing occurred to me, but I don't know why those people would be considered any worse [sinners] than others on this globe. Does it relate at all to Akita or anything else?

At the moment I consider it merely the result of the earthquate, no Biblical intervention required . . .


3 posted on 12/27/2004 6:15:08 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: NYer

totalna tragedia 20000 persons not life now G-D help that persons Thank you
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4126971.stm


4 posted on 12/27/2004 6:16:18 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Wesołych Świąt oraz Szczęśliwego Roku!!!)
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To: NYer
"All the planet is vibrating," Enzo Boschi, head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute said on SKY TG24 TV.

I don't understand this. Did we stand still for a while? Did we jump forward, backward, slow, speed up? In what way did it affect our rotation and what is the data for this conclusion? If it did affect our rotation, everything will be affected. So, is this an emotional response or does the scientist have some measurements to back it up?

5 posted on 12/27/2004 6:17:19 AM PST by Jemian (I'd be a sun worshipper if I weren't already a SON WORSHIPPER!)
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To: Jemian

I've been trying to find what he means too. Do we need to reset our clocks? I'm starting to think the media is just misinterpreting what he says.


6 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:11 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: AMDG&BVMH
.......but I don't know why those people would be considered any worse [sinners] than others on this globe.

They aren't -- sh/t just happens.

7 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:32 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: anonymoussierra
G-D

G-D? Do you mean GOD??? If so, spell it out please.


8 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:52 AM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: NYer

Mr. Dobbs was swimming of an island that is owned by his brother.


9 posted on 12/27/2004 6:21:38 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: demlosers
Well, yes! Besides that, the poor suffered most. Tom Daschle is, no doubt, deeply saddened.
10 posted on 12/27/2004 6:21:50 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: NYer; All

I just posted . . .

for THOSE INTERESTED IN PROPHETIC, BIBLICAL ISSUES RELATED TO DISASTERS . . .

a very sobering and probably more accurate than comfortable

doc at post #1311

on the PROPHETIC SIGNS OF THE END TIMES thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1274030/posts?page=1307


11 posted on 12/27/2004 6:22:15 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: NYer

I get a little nervous when stuff affects the planet's rotation and stuff.


12 posted on 12/27/2004 6:22:51 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: Jemian
It seems like a misconstrued statement by the media, unless he's using the superman theory of how Earth's rotation is affected. ;)
13 posted on 12/27/2004 6:28:43 AM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: wolfpat

Probably posted somewhere but bears repeating.........

The catastrophic death toll in Asia caused by a massive tsunami might have been reduced had India and Sri Lanka been part of an international warning system designed to warn coastal communities about potentially deadly waves, scientists say.

Some 6,800 people in India and Sri Lanka were among the more than 11,000 people killed after being hit by walls of water triggered by a tremendous earthquake early Sunday off Sumatra.

"They had no tidal gauges and they had no warning," said Waverly Person, a geophysicist at the National Earthquake Information Center in Golden, Colo., which monitors seismic activity worldwide. "There are no buoys in the Indian Ocean and that's where this tsunami occurred."


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apasia_story.asp?category=1104&slug=Quake%20Warning%20System


14 posted on 12/27/2004 6:28:45 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Where is my tagline?)
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To: SheLion

Please take into consideration that Jews don't spell that word out of respect.


15 posted on 12/27/2004 6:30:23 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: SheLion

It's against some folks' religion to spell it out.


16 posted on 12/27/2004 6:30:42 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: wolfpat
Yes, we may need to adjust the clocks or, if we've slowed or speed up, ALL the clocks would just be obsolete because it wouldn' be the same rate of speed at all. Think how much warmer our summers would be if we had a few more minutes of sunshine. We would shoot up five or six degrees and that would fry some of our crops. Also, our winters would be more cold.

Frankly, I think the guy probably said that the rotation could be affected not that it has been affected. I don't think data could be gathered this fast to maintain such an absolute statement.

17 posted on 12/27/2004 6:30:47 AM PST by Jemian (I'd be a sun worshipper if I weren't already a SON WORSHIPPER!)
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To: Brad Cloven
Please take into consideration that Jews don't spell that word out of respect.

I didn't know that, Brad. I truly apologize!

18 posted on 12/27/2004 6:31:41 AM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: WestCoastGal

Yeah, but what does that have to do with the rotation of the Earth?


19 posted on 12/27/2004 6:31:46 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: NYer

..... it even disturbed the rotation of the Earth......

I doubt it.

No evidence was presented.


20 posted on 12/27/2004 6:32:53 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: SheLion

There are several FReepers on this site that spelling the name "GOD" is sacrilegious in this type of forum. These faiths range from Hasidic Jews to Ultra-conservative Christian.

In deference to their beliefs, many other FReepers use "G-D" in reference to GOD.

Hope this helps!

NeverGore :^)


22 posted on 12/27/2004 6:33:57 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: Jemian
"All the planet is vibrating,"

The shock waves from the earthquake are conducted through the earth's crust, mantle and core like an echo.

The variances in the Earth's structure like different forms of rock, tectonic plate interfaces, molten core, sea water all affect the transmission of the shock waves and they scatter and bounce around. The waves, their "echoes", the reflected waves all interfere with each other for quite some time (some reinforce each other, some counteract) until they dampen.

Some of that energy is manifested in a direction counter to the Earth's rotation. That impact is so small it can't be measured by the tactile senses but it can be measures with precision measuring equipment.

23 posted on 12/27/2004 6:34:16 AM PST by pfflier
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To: bert
Just when you thought you were safe:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308833/posts
Asteroid With Chance of Hitting Earth in 2029 Now Being Watched 'Very Carefully' (1 in 43 odds)

24 posted on 12/27/2004 6:34:28 AM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Jemian

I'm amazed that all of Sumatra is 100 feet over from where it was a couple of days ago.


25 posted on 12/27/2004 6:34:49 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: NYer

Greenhouse gases caused it. Algore said it so it must be true. No?


26 posted on 12/27/2004 6:35:34 AM PST by Pittsburg Phil
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To: First_Salute
Mr. Dobbs was swimming off an island that is owned by his brother.

It's tough being one of the little people.

27 posted on 12/27/2004 6:35:41 AM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: NYer; All

The following prophetic doc from Nov about an Indonesian Tsunami dream/vision is more than a little interesting to me:

Arafat Era Ends 11/11 - An 11th Hour Warning
November 11, 2004

At exactly 4:30am Paris time on 11/11, Yasser Arafat was officially pronounced dead in French military hospital, fulfilling a significant series of prophecies concerning the "removal of Arafat", and how this relates to our current timeline. For the last several years we have received numerous prophetic words from people around the world, in many cases which the Holy Spirit has verbally spoken to them that the "removal of Arafat" would be a clear sign of the Lord's soon return, and indication that major judgments were about to explode on the world scene.

The timing in which Arafat fell into a coma, November 3, Paris time (November 2, U.S. time: Election Day) is also extremely significant (read our September 15, 2004 Rosh Hashanah Report). Shortly after Yasser Arafat fell into a coma on November 3, the Holy Spirit spoke to me that 11/11 would be a very significant date in history. (I mentioned this to my wife and several other ministry associates in the Philippines.) One week ago, we felt prompted to enter into a time of prayer and fasting from 11/11/04 - 01/11/05; a 3-month period of cleansing and preparation for the new year (chiefly a Daniel fast, fruits and vegetables).

On the early morning of 11/11 before the sun rose in the Philippines, I received the following vision: I was climbing a large mountain somewhere near the Indonesian coast, traveling upwards into a place of refuge. Upon reaching my destination in the mountains, I found a small city with a large population of Christians, and begin to prophesy to them about approaching judgments; but the inhabitants were spiritually blind, and could not receive the word.

Suddenly, the ground began to shake, and every eye looked towards the coast. Like a small ripple in the crystal blue sea, the first tidal wave approached and had little impact. Those watching said, "Is that all!?". They began to mock God's grace and mercy demonstrated in the first judgment.

But while they were mocking yet another wave approached, slightly larger; and then another, and another. Until finally one large ripple appeared on the horizon, so large that as it struck the hills on the coast the impact left a thunderous splash, towering perhaps a thousand feet into the air. Below us the water from the tsunami traveled along the river inland for nearly a hundred miles, destroying everything in it's path.


28 posted on 12/27/2004 6:35:46 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: wolfpat

Haven't heard from the physicists . . . but I'd guesstimate that it's somewhat like batting a big spinning top gently with the palm of one's hand.


29 posted on 12/27/2004 6:37:55 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: wolfpat

Can you source that? I hadn't seen that factoid before.


30 posted on 12/27/2004 6:39:12 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Elisha_Ben_Abuya

> can an earthquake alter the angular momentum of the earth?

No. Angular momentum will be conserved unless affected by an *outside* source.

However...

It is possible that with a big enough quake, or a big enough volcano, or a big enough ice age (taking water from the oceans and piling it up on continents as ice), the moments of inertia for the planet will be very slightly alterred, so that that same angular momentum plays out with a slightly different rotation rate.


31 posted on 12/27/2004 6:39:45 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Interesting analogy Dobbs uses. The same thing occurred to me, but I don't know why those people would be considered any worse [sinners] than others on this globe.
Unfortunately, there's a few people around here that could explain how the Indonesians are...

-Eric

32 posted on 12/27/2004 6:40:08 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: the invisib1e hand

It's making my head spin....Oh, wait...My son says it's the bottle of wine I drank....


33 posted on 12/27/2004 6:40:37 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Jemian

I think it's time to get rid of clocks. Too many of us trying to make up for 'lost' time.

Think about it.


34 posted on 12/27/2004 6:40:42 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: pfflier

I understand that. What I'm curious about is whether it slowed us, stopped us, moved us forward or what. All I've found was that blanket statement with no data or application of that data presented. The one statement that the rotation has been affected is such a general pronouncement that more details are needed to properly interpret it.


35 posted on 12/27/2004 6:41:58 AM PST by Jemian (I'd be a sun worshipper if I weren't already a SON WORSHIPPER!)
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To: wolfpat

I read that. That is profound. Think of the energy involved. It is truly awe-inspiring.


36 posted on 12/27/2004 6:43:10 AM PST by Jemian (I'd be a sun worshipper if I weren't already a SON WORSHIPPER!)
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To: NYer
An Italian scientist says the earthquake was so strong, it even disturbed the rotation of the Earth.

Damn! I just sent calenders to all my clients..........what does this mean? Do I need to send new ones with fewer days? Or more days, or what?

37 posted on 12/27/2004 6:43:48 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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To: Jemian

I think there may be a result 180 degrees away from that earthquake. I crawled through a 6.4 one in CA. Let's see.


38 posted on 12/27/2004 6:46:47 AM PST by BobS
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To: Quix

It's on Drudge. I don't know where he got it from, but I'll keep looking.


39 posted on 12/27/2004 6:47:03 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: Quix

There are disasters everyday, and this earthquake may be bigger than most, but earthquakes happen all the time.

There were 242 earthquakes in California alone within the last week.


40 posted on 12/27/2004 6:48:59 AM PST by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: SheLion

Some people (Jews and some Christians) believe that God's name is so HOLY that it should NEVER be spelled out as respect to THE ALMIGHTY.


41 posted on 12/27/2004 6:49:08 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: wolfpat

Thanks.

But only as comfortably convenient if on my account.

Blessings,


42 posted on 12/27/2004 6:50:25 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: sissyjane

True enough . . . so far.


43 posted on 12/27/2004 6:50:51 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: wolfpat; anonymoussierra; Brad Cloven
 Learn something new every day.  Thank you both so much for enlightening me.

Since the atheists are trying to take God out of everything, I guess I am overly sensitive.

Please accept my apologies!!!

44 posted on 12/27/2004 6:51:05 AM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: orionblamblam
Thinking about all this.

I Think of the earth as being a raisin in raisin bread as it is cooking. It's always in motion and the volcano is just excessive heat that got into the raisin and blew a hole in it. The raisin stays in place with a small void which will fill with ? (Internal). What it releases and moves is equalized on the surface of the earth until everything is in tandem again. Our earth is in a state of perpetual change as is the universe. It's this great balance that is awesome and GLOBAL WARMING is just a little piece of sh**.

45 posted on 12/27/2004 6:53:01 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: demlosers

Would you at least one person at DU was making that case? She was claiming that global warming had increased the depth of the ocean to the point that a tragedy like this was available, and global warming was all the fault of Bush.

I don't think I need to bother to debunk that.


46 posted on 12/27/2004 6:56:32 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: NYer

"All the planet is vibrating," Enzo Boschi, head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute..."

Desperate for riveting articles that prove their relevance, the media is beginning it's tailspin descent into the level of journalism formerly reserved for bat-boy and UFO's. The next wave of articles will probably sound like those from 1950's 'B' sci-fi movies...




AP reports fishermen around the world describe sea-life acting in strange ways as millions of deep sea creatures from sharks to mullets leaping onto fishing vessels as though trying to escape something...something from the vast and unknowable depths...




REUTERS. In light of recent global tragedies and their dire effects on the fishing industry, the BBC reported this morning that riots have broken out in the House of Commons. A faction calling itself 'The Sensibles' have demanded that Parliment repeal a recent act calling for the registration of cod as potential weapons. British police have been unable to quell the fracas due to the ineffective use of bananas currently issued as riot control truncheons.




UPI (0900 GMC, 27.12.04) California. Noted world astronomers, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine and Dr. Howard, have issued a joint statement to the world press from their Mount Palomar observatory this morning. Noting their colleague Dr. Enzo Boschi's discovery of the earth's rotational disturbance, they added that the imbalance in the earth's geomagnetic balance may be affecting the larger cosmos as well. As early as yesterday aftenoon, the team observed multiple bright flashes eminating from the surface of the red planet Mars. It is unknown what this might mean at this time...




COURAGE, AMERICA...


47 posted on 12/27/2004 6:56:46 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Behold, the NEW Democrat logo: http://www.mi.sanu.ac.yu/vismath/reza/26snaket.gif)
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To: Jemian
Frankly, I think the guy probably said that the rotation could be affected not that it has been affected. I don't think data could be gathered this fast to maintain such an absolute statement.

Not really. Time is maintained in two ways - atomic clocks and by measuring the rotation of the earth as compared to distant stars. Given that astronomers do this all the time, it's fairly easy to see when discrepancies pop up between the atomic time and the "stellar" time.

48 posted on 12/27/2004 6:57:05 AM PST by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: wolfpat
Damn GPS...It would have taken a hundred years to figure it out the old way.

However, the "built in" error was removed not long ago and that was 100 feet so I'm not betting on the new location yet.

49 posted on 12/27/2004 6:58:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Cvengr

Thank you for correcting my spelling, too; because it is tough, for some reason, for me to hit all the keys, though I am pretty sure that the keyboard misses a beat in the Shift, I am fairly certain that otherwise, the problem is in my head.


50 posted on 12/27/2004 6:59:29 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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