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Abortion is killing the Democrats
The Sun Herald ^ | 12/29/04 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 12/29/2004 4:19:33 AM PST by Ellesu

For Republicans, Social Security has been the untouchable third rail, at least until President Bush promised reformation by transformation.

For Democrats, the third rail has been abortion - no exceptions, no restrictions, no compromise. Now some Democrats sound as if they might be willing to alter their fundamentalist position on abortion in order to stop their electoral hemorrhaging and start winning elections again. Could they be serious?

In a Dec. 23 New York Times story headlined "Democrats Weigh De-emphasizing Abortion as an Issue," several prominent Democrats suggest their party should at least open its doors to abortion opponents and make abortion less central in future party campaigns.

Some party leaders said Democrats might embrace at least one restriction, such as parental notification before a minor girl can get an abortion. Donna Brazile, who managed Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign, said, "Even I have trouble explaining to my family that we are not about killing babies."

Maybe the reason she is having trouble is because that is precisely what is happening. More than 40 million children have been killed legally in America since the Supreme Court imposed Roe vs. Wade on the nation 32 years ago next month.

Democrats seem unconcerned that so many discarded members of the human family are not with us. These were 40 million taxpayers for new Democrat programs; at least 20 million women, some of whom might have become feminists and Democrat voters; 40 million people, one of whom might have discovered a cure for cancer or other dread diseases; 40 million once regarded as "inconvenient," but surely not if they would have been allowed to be born; 40 million branches of family trees who will, themselves, never bear fruit and whose lines have been cut off.

Comments by Democrats trying to get back into the "moral issues" game are revealing. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, said Republicans had "been successful at painting the view of the pro-choice movement as abortion on demand - and nothing can be farther from the truth."

Perhaps the senator might wish to explain her voting record, which to a fair reader might prove abortion on demand is precisely what she favors. Feinstein:

• Voted NO on a criminal penalty for harming an unborn fetus during a crime.

• Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.

• Voted NO on maintaining the ban on military abortions.

• Was recommended by the liberal EMILY's List of pro-choice women.

• Received a 100 percent rating by NARAL for her pro-choice voting record.

If the public perceives that the Democratic Party favors abortion on demand, it is because of senators (and many other Democrats in Congress) like Dianne Feinstein who have not done anything to curtail abortion.

There is only one reason to restrict abortion and that is because what is being killed is a human being. Any other "reason" seeks to invoke a moral standard one has just denied.

There is a way Democrats can do something about their image and still remain "pro-choice." They can back laws requiring women to receive full disclosure before receiving an abortion. We do this with automobiles, food and bank loans. Consumers increasingly benefit from laws designed to give them information so their choices will be educated.

Why do so many pregnant women lack information about the procedure and alternatives?

What would be wrong with laws that empower women through additional information, even while abortion remains legal?

If Democrats won't back empowerment by informing women seeking an abortion - at least as much basic information as they receive at the Department of Motor Vehicles before the state issues a license to drive - one can only conclude that the party's reported interest in changing its image is based not on convictions, but on political pragmatism. If that is their game, they will deservedly continue to lose elections.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismean; calthomas; democrats; roeeffect
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1 posted on 12/29/2004 4:19:34 AM PST by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu

If every democrat on the face of the earth said they were against abortion I still would not vote for one.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 4:21:18 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Ellesu

Well, they've de-emphasized gun control, I suppose abortion could be next. Doesn't mean I'd trust them on that issue, either.


3 posted on 12/29/2004 4:22:05 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Ellesu

The Democrats should be heralding the fact they are for abortion instead of dressing it up in some nonsense wordplay.


4 posted on 12/29/2004 4:23:32 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Ellesu

Flash back to the first Dem primary debate in 2003..at the NARAL convention...where all 9 swore fealty to abortion on demand....until the Dems change their primary process..remove Iowa from the #1 slot, and stop haveing debates at forums like this...they're stuck..


5 posted on 12/29/2004 4:23:35 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: OldFriend

Well stated! I agree.


6 posted on 12/29/2004 4:23:48 AM PST by PGalt
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To: OldFriend

As long as they defend Roe v. Wade, we all know they're for abortion, no matter what they say to distance themselves from the abortion issue.


7 posted on 12/29/2004 4:25:56 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Ellesu

Cal Thomas is right on, in more ways than one.

Abortion is killing the offspring of Democrats, therefore, limiting the influence of the party for, at least the next generation.

My sister and I discussed this recently and figured that by next election, she and her husband would have more than tripled their "political influence", because what started out as two conservative votes, will have become 7 conservative votes. They had 5 kids and all will be old enough to vote conservative in the next election, and if you add in a couple daughter or son inlaws that have seen the light and turned from the "dark side" (i.e. liberal thinking), the influence is even greater.

Democrats tend to have smaller families plus abortion among their ranks is limiting the number of their offspring.

So the title of this piece has more than one implication.


8 posted on 12/29/2004 4:26:43 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Ellesu
Clinton, Gore and Kerry cemented the Democrat's reputation of being dishonest, and saying whatever seems politically expedient.

Democrats might "get religion", and "abandon" gun control, and "disavow" abortion -- but they will always be an atheistic, fascistic party of baby killers.

9 posted on 12/29/2004 4:27:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ken5050

When any DemocRAT proclaims to be pro-choice, they're actually pro-abortion.


10 posted on 12/29/2004 4:27:43 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Ellesu

It doesn't take a ROCKET SCEINTEST to figure that one out.


11 posted on 12/29/2004 4:29:05 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: dawn53

I'd hate to have to be a Democrat and have to defend their positions daily.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 4:30:20 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: BigSkyFreeper

If they couldn't get more than 50% of themselves to support the ban on PBA...they have no clue...it's like suddenly making vegnas eat meat..


13 posted on 12/29/2004 4:30:55 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Ellesu

Cal Thomas need not worry. The Democrats are trying to pour old wine into a new bottle. Its still the same old wine behind the slick new label. I just just love how they try to devise a new "how can we fool 'em better today" tactic. They are a soulless party.


14 posted on 12/29/2004 4:31:24 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ellesu
Abortion is killing the Democrats <---- literally

Awesome headline

I thought about calling it killer but I thought that might be a bit much.
15 posted on 12/29/2004 4:32:12 AM PST by pennyfarmer (A whole lotta people need some killin. (Not the babies))
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To: Ellesu
• Voted NO on a criminal penalty for harming an unborn fetus during a crime.

So Feinswine voted against Laci's Law. Figures.

16 posted on 12/29/2004 4:34:30 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Ellesu
Abortion is blood sacrifice to Baal.


17 posted on 12/29/2004 4:44:05 AM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: Ellesu

The Democrat Libs /Gays are on the sure path of SELF EXTINCTION with their values, and life styles.
Neither abortion or homosexuality will promote and endure their survival because of the lack of procreation.


18 posted on 12/29/2004 4:48:13 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Ellesu

There is a reason that there is a set of core values, commonly thought of as conservative, in most cultures around the Earth; these societies have survived because of those values.

If we were talking in evolutionary biological terms, conservativism is in a Darwinistic way superior to neoMarxism because it cherishes and nurtures its next generation.

The left may censor, purge and persecute the conservative mainstream of this nation and others, but the conservatives in all likelihood will dance on the leftists graves - quite literally.


19 posted on 12/29/2004 4:49:21 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: rdb3
The history of the feminism can be traced back to the worship and cult of Baal.
20 posted on 12/29/2004 4:50:13 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Being anti-WOT won't help the Democrats in the long run either.


21 posted on 12/29/2004 4:50:14 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: BigSkyFreeper

what is anti - WOT ?


22 posted on 12/29/2004 4:52:30 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
opps,, it just hit me now,, WAR ON TERROR.
23 posted on 12/29/2004 4:53:53 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
anti-WOT = Against the War On Terror
24 posted on 12/29/2004 4:53:59 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Ellesu

As Rush Limbaugh says, "Liberalism is a religion and abortion is its sacrament".

The act of an abortion is the essence of liberalism. It is one (or several) selfish individual's dumping of his or her responsibility at the expense of another.


25 posted on 12/29/2004 4:59:13 AM PST by bobjam
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To: BigSkyFreeper

If Libs were truthful, they would carry political signs saying, "Will Lie for Votes" and "Will Kill Babies for Votes."


26 posted on 12/29/2004 5:00:43 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Ellesu
...some Democrats sound as if they might be willing to alter their fundamentalist

Ouch! Calling a democrat a fundie!

That's going to leave a mark

27 posted on 12/29/2004 5:01:05 AM PST by Popman
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To: Ellesu
For Democrats, the third rail has been abortion - no exceptions, no restrictions, no compromise. Now some Democrats sound as if they might be willing to alter their fundamentalist position on abortion in order to stop their electoral hemorrhaging and start winning elections again

Which just proves the point that the democRATS have NO CORE VALUES, and those they do have go against most of America.

28 posted on 12/29/2004 5:03:51 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Ellesu
Not even Karl Rove would claim that all Republicans are against abortion so 40 million killed Democrats is bogus.


BUMP

29 posted on 12/29/2004 5:03:57 AM PST by tm22721 (In fac they)
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To: Ellesu
Abortion is Killing the Democrats

Not to mention innocent children.

30 posted on 12/29/2004 5:06:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Ellesu

"For Democrats, the third rail has been abortion"

Liberalism may be a self terminating disease-but it is still one heck of a death to watch. The judgement bill on this atrocity is about to come due.


31 posted on 12/29/2004 5:31:52 AM PST by American Vet Repairman
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To: Puppage

Which just proves the point that the democRATS have NO CORE VALUES, and those they do have go against most of America.


Wow, when I thought they were standing on perverse principles, I hated them respectfully. Now I can't even respedt them.


32 posted on 12/29/2004 6:30:10 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Ellesu
In a Dec. 23 New York Times story headlined "Democrats Weigh De-emphasizing Abortion as an Issue," several prominent Democrats suggest their party should at least open its doors to abortion opponents and make abortion less central in future party campaigns.

Don't worry, Dems. We here at FR and others will MAKE it more central in your future party campaigns. Don't ask / don't tell ain't gunna fly on your stump speeches.

APf

33 posted on 12/29/2004 6:33:02 AM PST by APFel (Humanity has a poor track record of predicting its own future.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Yeah, I thought that, too.


34 posted on 12/29/2004 6:43:11 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: dawn53
Abortion is killing the offspring of Democrats, therefore, limiting the influence of the party for, at least the next generation.

Sure, but they still control the schools and colleges.

Who influences more young minds, conservative parents who have 5 kids or a Woman's Studies professor who teaches a class with 100 students every semester?

35 posted on 12/29/2004 6:45:43 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Modernman

My sister's kids have all been college educated and stayed conservative.

My kid is in college now and you'd be surprised at the conservative movements on some college campuses.

Straw polls taken in his college classes before the election were not that one-sided for Kerry. An interesting note was that in one particular class the Bush supporters included the three black students in the class.

Didn't I read a study recently that said young people were trending more conservative than their parents?

And it seems that conservative young people may be more motivated to vote than liberal young people. Wasn't Kerry banking on an overwhelming number of young people flocking to the polls, and it turns out the youth vote average was about the same this year as in past elections.


36 posted on 12/29/2004 7:07:10 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Ellesu
Strange that the Dems are coming to this conclusion at the same time that many Republicans are clamoring to put pro-abortion RINOs at the top of the ticket in 2008.

If the Democrats put a bona-fide pro-lifer at the top of the ticket (like Ray Flynn, for instance) and the Republicans put a pro-abortion RINO--I'd have a very tough decision to make.
37 posted on 12/29/2004 7:14:14 AM PST by Antoninus (Santorum in '08)
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To: OldFriend
If every democrat on the face of the earth said they were against abortion I still would not vote for one.

Nor would I, because I know they'd be lying. The little buggers can't get elected anymore if they tell the truth, and that's a good thing. The more lies they gotta tell, the harder it is to get elected.

38 posted on 12/29/2004 7:23:30 AM PST by kylaka
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To: blueye2323

Ignorant about what ?
must be a troll


41 posted on 12/29/2004 7:35:42 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Ellesu
Now some Democrats sound as if they might be willing to alter their fundamentalist position on abortion in order to stop their electoral hemorrhaging and start winning elections again.

If they do it it will only be to get votes. It won't be because they're actually sincere.

42 posted on 12/29/2004 7:37:46 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Baal is alive and well and resides in Hollywood and NYC among evil people who spread the religion in movies and TV every day. Baal is all about base immorality including: murder, violence, abortion, sexual freedom, homosexuality, pornography, incest and devil worship. Until this truly unholy, inhuman religion is eliminated, it is sure to continue to triumph.


43 posted on 12/29/2004 7:42:47 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: bobjam

Abortion is not jut a sacrament in the religion of liberalism. It is the MOST HOLY SACRAMENT of liberalism. The very foundation of their world view.


44 posted on 12/29/2004 7:48:23 AM PST by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Ellesu

True. Ergo, they rely heavily on the results of the 1965 Immigration Act to keep them alive now.


45 posted on 12/29/2004 7:52:12 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Feminism will NEVER !! Prevail over the Church ( the body of Christ ) of Jesus Christ .
Jesus said " Upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell ( feminism , the Gay agenda ) will not prevail against the church.
Everyone ? the feminist have already sent out their troops, their TROJAN HORSES to infiltrate and to SUBVERT the church of Jesus Christ, so be on the look out and keep your guard, they are determined to subvert and destroy Christianity. Feminism is nothing but a hate group cult.
46 posted on 12/29/2004 7:52:34 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: pennyfarmer
Subtitle: One fetus at a time.
47 posted on 12/29/2004 7:54:07 AM PST by f zero
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To: Modernman
They may have the colleges, but that influence is markedly limited. Studies have shown that the first five years of a child's life is crucial in terms of imprinting basic values.

I have 5 siblings, all born of my conservative parents: ALL of us are staunch Republican conservatives. I went to Boston University College of LIBERAL Arts, the Boston University School of Medicine. My attitude was that I was there for the purpose of completing my education and getting the heck out of there. I did NOT interact politically with the liberal secularist professors; I knew what they were, and what they stood for, and was not about to let them victimize me by getting in their face about political ideology.

I have six children. ALL of them are staunch anti-abortion, pro-family, Republican conservative activists. Three of them have been in the Oval Office. Four of them have personally met Laura Bush. And I can assure you, NONE of them will marry anyone who believes in abortion; you can take that to the bank. And I challenge any liberal professor to change their ideology.
48 posted on 12/29/2004 7:54:07 AM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dawn53

The Wall Street Journal calls this "The Roe Effect". More Democrats abort their own, thus less of them.


49 posted on 12/29/2004 7:58:17 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: FreedomPoster
Well, they've de-emphasized gun control, I suppose abortion could be next. Doesn't mean I'd trust them on that issue, either.

I once asked a Republican pol who wanted to de-emphasize the party's pro-life stance the question, "If there is a pregnant woman standing in front of you, what does she have in her womb?" The pol promptly replied, "A baby." I asked, "Why would I vote for you if you truly believe that and would do nothing to stop its destruction?"

It's not what you emphasize in your speech that counts, it's what you do.

Shalom.

50 posted on 12/29/2004 8:19:35 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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