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Even Insults Went Retro This Year (Zell, Teresa, etc.)
St. Petersburg Times online ^ | 12/26/04 | Robert Friedman

Posted on 12/29/2004 4:43:39 AM PST by beyond the sea

The most heartening language trend of 2004 was the revival of the old-fashioned insult.

When MSNBC's Chris Matthews, sitting in the safety of his studio, had some tough questions for U.S. Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga., after Miller's over-the-top keynote address at the Republican National Convention, Miller went all Aaron Burr on him: "I wish I was over there, where I could get a little closer into your face. . . . I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel." Miller was giving away about 20 years and 90 pounds to Matthews. But Miller's crazed stare - he looked like Granny Clampett training her shotgun on a stray varmint - was enough to cause even the overbearing Matthews to back off.

The performance won Miller, who is retiring from the Senate, a job at the Fox News Channel, which apparently had not yet reached its quota of scary gasbags.

Zell Miller isn't the only irascible old man leaving the Senate. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings, the smooth-talking South Carolina Democrat, is retiring, too. A few years ago, when a Republican opponent dared Hollings to take a drug test, Hollings said: "I'll take a drug test if you take an I.Q. test."

Until Miller and Matthews clashed in September, that was about as close as any modern politician had come to challenging an opponent to a duel.

Maybe 2005 will bring the real thing. They could cablecast it on Fox and MSNBC: Miller and Matthews, pistols ......... at 50 paces.

(Excerpt) Read more at sptimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004review; duel; heinz; insults; pistols; pleasantries; rhetoric; teresa; zellmiller
Zell Miller and Chris Matthews .......... future duel?
1 posted on 12/29/2004 4:43:40 AM PST by beyond the sea
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To: beyond the sea
Zell could easily whip him in a fair fight. Matthews would want the Federal Government to help him.
2 posted on 12/29/2004 4:46:25 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: beyond the sea

The first lines of the article are rife with bias.....


3 posted on 12/29/2004 4:46:45 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: beyond the sea
Zell could easily whip him in a fair fight. Matthews would want the Federal Government to help him.
4 posted on 12/29/2004 4:46:45 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: beyond the sea

I think Miller can take him, toe to toe.


5 posted on 12/29/2004 4:48:17 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: elhombrelibre
Matthews outweighs Zell Miller but still it would be interesting.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

6 posted on 12/29/2004 4:50:04 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: beyond the sea

The writer evidently did not see and hear this exchange himself. Had he done so, he would know that Chris Mathews was NOT "safely sitting in his studio". He had his whole program while seated outside, surrounded by crowds of Kerry supporters, and the split screen exchange w/Zell came when ZELL was inside.


7 posted on 12/29/2004 4:50:06 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: beyond the sea

Zell was a Marine, enough said.


8 posted on 12/29/2004 4:52:10 AM PST by Recon Dad (Semper Fi)
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To: expatguy

Well, he outweighs him because he's a fat lard ass. I don't know that in a real scuffle that's much of an advantage unless the lazy Matthews intends to fall on the nimble, hard-hitting Zell. In that case, it could get interesting. But I still think Matthews would mostly be crying. He's really just another bed-wetting liberal.


9 posted on 12/29/2004 4:53:14 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: wolfpat

Zell could beat his ass. He is a country boy and learned to fight with other country boys.


10 posted on 12/29/2004 4:55:31 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Yep, ya caught me, ya caught the tater)
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To: beyond the sea
after Miller's over-the-top keynote address at the Republican National Convention,

No bias here. Nope.

This was "over the top" - a Kerry supporter ripping up a little girls sign.

The event roughly coincided with Zell Miller's speech in the news cycle, but I doubt this liberal rag had the guts to report it.

Whenever liberals squeal like stuck pigs (as in the reaction to Zell Miller's speech), you know you struck a truth nerve and they cannot stand it.

11 posted on 12/29/2004 5:02:05 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: All

Sorry to be a little off topic here... but does anyone have a link to the "Call me Mamma_T" clip? Nobody beleives me. Thx


12 posted on 12/29/2004 5:03:59 AM PST by Blast_Master
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To: OldFriend
The first lines of the article are rife with bias.....

Yes, you're right, that's why I chose to leave out the quotes of Rummy that were badly misrepresented later in the article.

"had some tough questions for U.S. Sen. Zell Miller" -- a positive for Spitball Matthews from the author, "Miller's over-the-top keynote address" -- a negative toward Zell from the author, "But Miller's crazed stare" -- another negative comment on Zell.

Yes, the author is grinding an ax of sorts.

13 posted on 12/29/2004 5:12:36 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: wolfpat
I think Miller can take him, toe to toe.

I'd love to see it! Only thing to fear for Zell is all that spit coming out of Matthews' thin foolish lips. After Zell guns him down, Michelle Malkin could throw the dirt on the body to pay 'Spitball' back for the terrible way he treated her this past year!

14 posted on 12/29/2004 5:16:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: Carolinamom
The writer evidently did not see and hear this exchange himself. Had he done so, he would know that Chris Mathews was NOT "safely sitting in his studio"

That's right. That was one funny night on TV.

After Matthews got his nerve back after initially being scared to death by Zell, you could see the wheels in Matthews blockhead spinning, thinking how this little affair could be used for his promotional purposes. It was great TV.

15 posted on 12/29/2004 5:19:21 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: beyond the sea

Zell ripping into lard-butt Mathews was one of the highlights this past election. I saw the exchange live and laughed my a$$ off. I'm even grinning now as I type this.

Mathews had a nail-chewing Marine on his line and didn't have a clue how to deal with it.

Give 'em hell, Zell.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 5:21:04 AM PST by sergeantdave (Help save the environment. Drop off your old tires and refrigerators at the Sierra Club.)
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To: SkyPilot
re: sign

"Three-year-old Sophia Parlock cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, after having their Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters on Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004, at the Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va.

Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards made a brief stop at the airport as he concluded his two-day bus tour to locations in West Virginia and Ohio."

*****

A despicable act! If the father didn't have to take care of his children, I believe I read, he said there would have been some knuckle sanwiches handed out to the punk who ripped the sign!

17 posted on 12/29/2004 5:24:25 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: beyond the sea

bump


18 posted on 12/29/2004 5:25:13 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: sergeantdave
Zell ripping into lard-butt Matthews was one of the highlights this past election. I saw the exchange live and laughed my a$$ off. I'm even grinning now as I type this. -- I saw it too. My a$$ was being laughed off too. Matthews almost pooped his pants.

Matthews had a nail-chewing Marine on his line and didn't have a clue how to deal with it. -- Yep, Matthews froze up immediately.

Give 'em hell, Zell. -- Ditto.

****

I'll tell you one thing for sure, if the FoxNews people were smart they would reserve a couple of hours on consecutive Saturday nights for Zell and Matthews to sit face to face and "discuss things"!

I don't know if you saw "Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid", but there's a scene in that movie I love and will never forget that fits here:

"Guns or knives, Butch, guns or knives?"

19 posted on 12/29/2004 5:31:36 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: beyond the sea

Heck, I'd bet on an 80ish Marine over a 300ish pound fat journalist any day of the week.

Miller probably is still having nightmares of running into Zell on some New york street at night....


20 posted on 12/29/2004 5:38:54 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: beyond the sea
Maybe 2005 will bring the real thing. They could cablecast it on Fox and MSNBC: Miller and Matthews, pistols ......... at 50 paces.

While I find the "reality show" genre to be pretty well overdone, I'd watch this if it was just a one-show deal.

This would make a good pay-per-view. It'd get pretty lame if they tried to drag it out for six or so shows, though. So, they might have to bring the shooting distance down to, oh, say 10 paces, just to increase the likelihood of a one-shot kill.

Otherwise, we get six more weeks of watching either Zell or Chris struggling to overcome a sucking chest wound. And that's where ya'd lose a lot of the audience, in my humble opinion. That sort of drama would just be sort of anti-climactic. One show would be good, though.

21 posted on 12/29/2004 5:42:26 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Kenton

Not true, Zell Miller was a Marine and all Marines are riflemen. Matthews is probablly an anti-gun nut, so he'd still be trying to take the safety off and it would be over.


22 posted on 12/29/2004 5:59:17 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: JFK_Lib; elhombrelibre; wolfpat; expatguy; Carolinamom; Recon Dad; Armedanddangerous; SkyPilot; ...
Heck, I'd bet on an 80ish Marine over a 300ish pound fat journalist any day of the week. ........... Miller probably is still having nightmares of running into Zell on some New york street at night....

Birthdate: 02/24/32

Birthplace: Young Harris, GA

Home City: Young Harris, GA

Religion: Methodist

*****

I'd put my money on the wiry and rugged,"nail-chewing", Southern, country Marine too -- with pistols or otherwise!

23 posted on 12/29/2004 6:18:39 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: beyond the sea
I was channel surfing that night, and I saw Zell minutes before being made fun of on CNN. Zell was riled at that when he did the piece on Hardball.

Matthews was just the last straw on Zell's back.

24 posted on 12/29/2004 6:45:15 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
I was channel surfing that night, and I saw Zell minutes before being made fun of on CNN. Zell was riled at that when he did the piece on Hardball. ......... Matthews was just the last straw on Zell's back.

Yes, he was hot before Matthews threw gasoline on the fire. It was great entertainment, and Zell is one heck of a guy.

I just want to see the extremely attractive, intelligently correct, and intense Michelle Malkin throw a custard pie in his spitting face for the despicable way he treated her a few months ago.

25 posted on 12/29/2004 6:51:27 AM PST by beyond the sea (A man who says he can see through women is missing a lot.)
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To: Grannyx4
Not true, Zell Miller was a Marine and all Marines are riflemen.

50 paces with a rifle is one thing, but I was thinking more along the lines of a pair of these:

Matthews is probablly an anti-gun nut, so he'd still be trying to take the safety off and it would be over.

Oh, Chrissy Mathews would probably shoot his eye out looking down the barrel to see if it was loaded...

26 posted on 12/29/2004 7:09:20 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Kenton

You are right, of course, about the rifle at 50 paces. I was trying to say that Mr. Miller probably could handle a weapon easily and Chris Matthews probably wouldn't; I was inarticulate.

That is a handsome brace of pistols, are they yours?


27 posted on 12/29/2004 2:06:17 PM PST by Vor Lady
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