Posted on 12/29/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by Ginifer
AND WITHOUT A SHOT FIRED! Thank you for protecting our borders Billy Boy and W.
No! I'm shocked! Shocked that anyone would want to keep business happy. Shut them all down and send all the jobs over seas. We don't need no stinkin employers. Who cares if our economy collapses
Are you aware that that actually is the philosophy of the founder of FAIR and CIS and other anti-immigrant organizations whose propaganda is continuously posted on FR? Dr. Tanton and his ecology fascists want zero population growth, whether thru abortion or government policies. Trees are more important than jobs to theses people.
Anti-business policies have never been part of conservative philosophy.
that's the problem with 2-term presidents; they begin their 2nd terms thinking that they're invincible.
with the pent up anger over immigration, i don't think dubya understands what's going on.
obviously, he's responding to corporate contributors who want cheaper educated labor.
Very succinctly put, and I agree.
So? Irish immigrants brought old Ireland with them. In fact, my brother-in-law arrives in town today to help me celebrate the New Year, and my nephew tomorrow. My wife's family is Irish, and we'll have one hell of an Irish party starting this evening. Working Monday will be a challenge.
I love Mexican food, though, so I'm biased. My stepmom is Venezuelan. Latinos and Latinas are generally hard-working, devout, and family-oriented. They should be Republican and Conservative, and the President knows it! I think too many people are misunderestimating his strategery on this issue.
the presidents proposed amnesty was tried in 1986. The mexicans viewed it as surrender and they swarmed over the border. Since the president first proposed amnesty the number of illegals has increased.
Meanwhile the Mexicans government totally squanders their enormous oil wealth.
Please God let the republicans have some spine.
Certainly a reasonable fellow like yourself can't really believe this ridiculously broad statement. ALL Mexicans are liars? Every last one? Please!
Well, yeah I think so. At least with regards to some. It's only some in the middle class you say?
Nevermind the question, Do we really need another law that government and business can ignore whenever it suits their needs? Business seems to be doing okay getting "guest workers" and more.
A recent study showed that recent immigrants are filling huge numbers of jobs including payroll jobs.
a Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, report (Summer of 2004) covered 2000 thru the first quarter of 2004. It stated that
"The number of employed native born workers falls by 958,000, employment among established immigrants declines by 352,000, and the number of new immigrant employed rises by 2.064 million (Table 12). Thus, all of the net growth in the nation's employed population between 2000 and 2004 (January-April averages) takes place among new immigrants while the number of native born and established immigrant workers combined declines by more than 1.3 million. This remarkable shift in the nativity status of the employed population has received very little attention from the nation's political leaders or the national media." [End quote]
There's more
"While these new immigrant workers can be found in every industrial sector, they are highly concentrated in three sectors: construction and manufacturing, leisure/hospitality/other service industries, and health/education/professional/ business services."
Nearly 320,000 new immigrants obtained employment in the nation's manufacturing industries at a time when total wage and salary employment in these industries declined by more than 2.7 million positions" [End quote]
More
"In a period of higher unemployment and little net job growth, increased employment of immigrants appears to be displacing some native born workers, including teens, young adults without college degrees, and Black men in the nation's central cities."
[End quotes]
Sure, it's only a few million out of near a 140 million. But why is it good for America? (Please spare me any feeeeeelings that Americans are stupid and lazy and need to be replaced for the sake of the free market OK, "free trader" internationalists? There are some problems but is it really that bad?)
I think too many people are misunderestimating his strategery on this issue.
Count me as someone who is "misunderestimating" his strategy. Would you please explain the strategy because I certainly don't know what it is.
After reading your post on this, I no longer wonder why Democrats do so well among Hispanics. It's pretty much a "No Hispanics need apply" sign on your door.
How can one guy be so right on so many issues, and so wrong on one really critical issue?
Respectfully, I think it has gotten that bad. Some Amerians have decided that the work is beneath them. Others want more of a salary than the business owner is willing to pay. Others have decided they'd rather collect welfare checks.
Until America's attitude in those areas adjust, why should business owners suffer? They're the ones creating the jobs, providing the products and services we buy. I'd say they warrant a lot more consideration than they have been getting over the past 70 years.
I think this whole "culture" claptrap is an excuse to avoid the economic realities of the situation and to avoid discussing what is, quite bluntly, an attitude problem among certain Americans.
My letter to President Bush.
All your good works along with your good name will disappear down the drain when the muslims attack again and it is proven they crossed our unsecured southern border illegally. You have always been despised by the 57 million who voted for Kerry but there will be lots more if you dont do more to secure our borders because of the islamic threat.
Yours truly
A lifelong conservative and recovering alky
winodog
They should be. The question is, why aren't they? I think the rhetoric of FAIR, CIS, Sam Francis, American Renaissance, VDARE, and Pat Buchanan (among others) are a big reason why.
Press one to continue in Spanish
I would urge those who argue the cost would be much greater -- I think Limbaugh puts it at four or five dollars a head -- to provide something besides your feeeeeeeeeelings.
Mr. Mehlman is pretty close to the truth according to some ag experts. To wit,
"Phil Martin, an economist at UC Davis and one of the nations leading agricultural economists, suggests that, even if wages were to double for people who picked lettuce, it could only have an impact of pennies one, two cents on the price of a head of lettuce."
Because of the availability of illegals the wage scale for those jobs is depressed below the normal level. Try paying American wages for the jobs and Americans might be willing to fill them. Duh.
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