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Bush Criticizes U.N. 'Stingy' Comment
AP via Yahoo ^ | 12/29/2004 | JOHN HEILPRIN

Posted on 12/29/2004 10:01:47 AM PST by RockinRight

By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) defended American generosity Wednesday, even as his administration figures out how to pay for more help beyond the $35 million it has already promised to tsunami victims in Asia.

In his first remarks since the weekend disaster that so far has killed more than 76,000, Bush — like some in his administration previously — took umbrage at a U.N. official's suggestion that the world's richest nations were "stingy," and indicated much more is expected to be spent to help the victims.

"Well, I felt like the person who made that statement was very misguided and ill-informed," Bush said from his Texas ranch. "We're a very generous, kindhearted nation, and, you know, what you're beginning to see is a typical response from America."

Bush noted that the United States provided $2.4 billion "in food, in cash, in humanitarian relief to cover the disasters for last year. ... That's 40 percent of all the relief aid given in the world last year."

But the journey from the $35 million to potentially $1 billion or more in help for the tens of thousands of latest victims is fraught with bureaucratic twists.

First, the U.S. Agency for International Development, which distributes foreign aid, will have to ask for more money, since the initial $35 million aid package drained its emergency relief fund, said Andrew Natsios, the agency's administrator.

"We just spent it," Natsios said in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. "We'll be talking to the (White House) budget office ... (about) what to do at this point."

Natsios said the Pentagon (news - web sites) also is spending tens of millions to mobilize an additional relief operation, with C-130 transport planes winging their way from Dubai to Indonesia with tents, blankets, food and water bags.

As of Wednesday, dozens of countries and relief groups had pledged at least $261 million in help for South and East Asia, said the Geneva-based U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

"There's no doubt there'll be more than that," said Jamie McGoldrick, the U.N. officer in charge of coordinating the international response from Switzerland. "The size of this thing is a challenge."

But measuring the generosity of the United States depends on the yardstick.

The U.S. government is always near the top in total humanitarian aid dollars — even before private donations are counted — but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product.

Such figures were what prompted Jan Egeland — the United Nations (news - web sites)' emergency relief coordinator and former head of the Norwegian Red Cross — to challenge the giving of rich nations.

"We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become."

Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any nation in particular.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) clearly was annoyed while making the rounds of the morning television news shows Tuesday. He said it remains to be determined what the eventual U.S. contribution will be, but that he agrees with estimates that the total international aid effort "will run into the billions of dollars."

Natsios was quick to point out Tuesday that foreign assistance for development and emergency relief rose from $10 billion in President Clinton (news - web sites)'s last year to $24 billion under President Bush in 2003. Powell said U.S. assistance for this week's earthquake and tsunamis alone will eventually exceed $1 billion.

"The notion that the United States is not generous is simply not true, factually," Natsios said.

The United States uses the most common measure of the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of 30 rich nations that counts development aid.

By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion.

That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas, such as AIDS (news - web sites) and HIV (news - web sites) programs and other U.N. assistance.

Measured another way, as a percentage of gross national product, the OECD's figures on development aid show that as of April, none of the world's richest countries donated even 1 percent of its gross national product. Norway was highest, at 0.92 percent; the United States was last, at 0.14 percent.


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KEYWORDS: bush43; eurotrash; humanitarianrelief; janegeland; niggardly; stingy; sumatraquake; tsunami; un
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In other words, Bush, always a man of class, has responded correctly.

However, if it were me, I'd say "OK, you're right. As of now, ALL foreign aid is cut off, you a--holes."

But Bush is classier and more diplomatic than I am.

Gotta love it.

1 posted on 12/29/2004 10:01:48 AM PST by RockinRight
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To: RockinRight

Had it been me, I would have announced the redirecting of U.N. funding fromt he U.S. to aid relief.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 10:03:34 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: RockinRight

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310163/posts

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) _ President Bush said Tuesday the United States, India, Australia and Japan have formed an international coalition to coordinate worldwide relief and reconstruction efforts for the Asian region ravaged by a deadly earthquake and tsunamis. ``We will stand with them as they start to rebuild their communities,'' Bush said from his Texas ranch in his first comments on the disaster Sunday that so far has killed more than 67,000.


3 posted on 12/29/2004 10:05:42 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: anniegetyourgun

That would have been TOO BEAUTIFUL!!


4 posted on 12/29/2004 10:05:45 AM PST by Murtyo
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To: RockinRight

I support the President


5 posted on 12/29/2004 10:06:09 AM PST by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: RockinRight

Bush is gonna love signing the bill into law that expels the UN (Useless Nimrods) from US soil.


6 posted on 12/29/2004 10:07:09 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Oh man, that would be so sweet.


7 posted on 12/29/2004 10:07:16 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: RockinRight

I would have preferred the President saying,

"Well, the person who made that statement was one very misguided and ill-informed son of a bitch."


8 posted on 12/29/2004 10:08:31 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Hehe...I'd love that.


9 posted on 12/29/2004 10:09:50 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: RockinRight
I would've said;"Maybe Sadaam's moneymen at the UN who profited from the Humanitarian aid the US gave them.... to the tune of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS....could free up some of their ill-gotten gains to help out.....how 'bout it jacques....kofi?"
10 posted on 12/29/2004 10:11:35 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: anniegetyourgun; Anitius Severinus Boethius
but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product.

That's because those countries ONLY want to count TAX DOLLARS wrung from the people; it makes THEM look better because they are socilaist country who control their GDP.

I will post a great post from this morning:

To: Juan Medén

The money the government of the U.S. sends for disasters like this is merely a portion of what U.S. citizens contribute. What the U.N., and it's supporters, forgets is that the U.S. is the most generous, prosperous, and economically stable Nation on earth for the precise reason that we don't tax our people as drastically as the rest of the world does.

For example, the GDP of the United States in 2004 is estimated to be at $10.99 Trillion. The Budget of the United States government is $2.156 Trillion (2004 est.). This means the government controls 19.6% of the GDP.

The GDP of Norway is $171.7 billion (2004 est.). The budget for the Norwiegen government is $105.5 billion. The Norwiegen government controls 61.4% of the GDP.

Is it any wonder that a government that controls 61% of a nations GDP can give 0.92% of that nations GDP to foreign aid? After all, that is only 1.49% of their governments budget. If the United States spent the "recommended" 0.7%, it would be 3.5% of the governments budget.

The U.S. is only stingy in the eyes of those who would have money that wasn't theirs. In other words, the thieves are pissed that we won't unlock the safe for them.

85 posted on 12/29/2004 12:07:55 PM EST by Anitius Severinus Boethius

11 posted on 12/29/2004 10:11:46 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RockinRight

Every dollar and every life we spend fighting terrorists should be counted, if people must keep count. They end up being another kind of natural disaster.

And as for percentage of GDP or total amount being the yardstick (in disaster relief), I think the fact that we gave 40% of all aid speaks volumes. Some people (socialists) are never satisfied.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 10:13:00 AM PST by Felis_irritable (Posting inane comments since 2003.)
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To: Howlin

When I see stats like that, it reminds me that while we do have too large of a government, there's still hope for us, unlike most of socialist Europe.


13 posted on 12/29/2004 10:14:50 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I would have put in a dig contrasting US aid with UN-run humanitarian efforts, like "Oil-for-Food," something along the lines of, "Unlike certain recent international relief programs, we in the US make sure that our money actually gets to those in need, rather than line the pockets of corrupt international officials.


14 posted on 12/29/2004 10:18:54 AM PST by My2Cents (Is it OK to wish people a "Happy New Year"?)
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To: RockinRight

Exactly.


15 posted on 12/29/2004 10:19:30 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RockinRight

ditto here!

Diplomat I'm not...I'd just tell them to shove it up their ^%#


16 posted on 12/29/2004 10:19:55 AM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: My2Cents
"Unlike certain recent international relief programs, we in the US make sure that our money actually gets to those in need,

I think you're right; Yawn Egghead is upset because Bush called the heads of those countries DIRECTLY, i.e., not ooing through HIM and his little kingdom.

And we'll give the money directly to the countries, not to the UN bank account where it may disapear.

17 posted on 12/29/2004 10:20:56 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RockinRight
Gotta love it.

Not me.

I wish Dubya actually WAS "stingy' with our tax dollars.

Instead, the little weasel has been on a spending spree like a drunken sailor, plunging us over $1.5 TRILLION deeper in debt.
He borrows money just to give it away, debt that our posterity doesn't have a prayer of ever repaying.

"Stingy"???

Ha!!! That'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

18 posted on 12/29/2004 10:28:30 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

You have a point.


19 posted on 12/29/2004 10:36:53 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: HMFIC

That would be a John Hancock for the ages.


20 posted on 12/29/2004 10:40:48 AM PST by srm913
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To: RockinRight
But the journey from the $35 million to potentially $1 billion or more in help for the tens of thousands of latest victims is fraught with bureaucratic twists.

Seems to me we have "given" perhaps $1 trillion in wealth transfer over the last 20 years to the affected nations via outsourcing. These nations have plenty of cash to take care of this themselves. they wont get a dime of my money. I give to families of fallen military, firefighter and police funds, and Christian charities for Americans here at home. It is sheer perversion how we made millionaires out of 9/11 widows and military widows get practically nothing.

21 posted on 12/29/2004 10:42:31 AM PST by montag813
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To: RockinRight

President Bush: "You know, Mr. Egeland is absolutely right. That's why, in order to boost the size of our disaster relief fund, we are going to close overseas military bases in Europe, transfer the maintenance costs for those bases into the relief fund, and also reroute all the United States' funding for the United Nations into international disaster aid."

I only wish...


22 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:05 AM PST by TheRatHunter
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To: RockinRight

I agree. There will always be those who think the only reason American wealth exisists is for it to be distributed to all the have-nots. I even heard a guy this weekend saying that FEMA spent $3 billion to aid Florida hurricane victims, and that $35 million was pathetic. Well, um, FEMA is funded by US taxpayers to provide emergency services to US taxpayers, NOT to help evey country that has a disaster. What gall! From the sound of it USAID emptied its account right off the bat: this was just an immediate relief payment. And yes, the US government might pay a lower proportion of GDP, but this does not include private donations. By that measure, Americans are the most generous in the world. Mark my words, by the time this is over, you'll find the US government and citizens were more generous than any other country.


23 posted on 12/29/2004 10:47:31 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: montag813

Not to mention all the bad loans to developing countries the US has forgiven. That's in the trillions.


24 posted on 12/29/2004 10:49:42 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: RockinRight

Maybe the UN should give some of the money it stole from the oil for food program, that is it Kofi and son are willing to give up some of their blood money.

Or maybe the U.S. should just donate its UN membership fees to help the victims rather then give it to the crooks at the UN.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


25 posted on 12/29/2004 10:55:07 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

THAT would be a right tidy sum.


26 posted on 12/29/2004 10:58:49 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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To: RockinRight
"The U.S. government is always near the top in total humanitarian aid dollars — even before private donations are counted — but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product.

Glass houses and stones...

Fine. We're stingy.

I'm tired of giving cookies to the mice.

I propose we stop giving any financial or physical aid anywhere in the world for one full year.

Does this moron author have any idea how much it costs to divert a Marine expeditionary group and a blttle group including an aircraft carrier? There are dead people EVERYWHERE and these people want to turn it into a demand the US raise our taxes in order to GIVE AID MONEY TO THE UN? Wassamatta, does it hurt that much to lose all those blood for oil vouchers bucks??

How'sabout every UN employee give up one paycheck and send all their five star, catered dinners to Sumatra, Maylaysia and Sri Lanka?

27 posted on 12/29/2004 11:00:42 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: RockinRight

I'm with you. And cut off all aid to the UN while we're at it. And oh, by the way, the UN building in NY has just been condemned, so get your sorry a$$es over to Paris where you belong.


28 posted on 12/29/2004 11:05:23 AM PST by snopercod ("Aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords." --Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: RockinRight

"Bush Criticizes U.N. 'Stingy' Comment"

good for the President.

We have been and are the most generous and unselfish country in the world.

How much have muslim country contribute in the annals of history? Not much except for terrorism and conversion by the sword.

Go Bush!


29 posted on 12/29/2004 11:09:24 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: RockinRight

I hope every blanket, meal, cot, tent and vial of medicine is stamped "From the people of the United States of America". Maybe the recipients will appreciate it (unlike Europe and the Middle East).


30 posted on 12/29/2004 11:14:29 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: RockinRight
if it were me, I'd say "OK, you're right. As of now, ALL foreign aid is cut off, you a--holes.
Just once I wish your words would come out of his mouth. Just once.
31 posted on 12/29/2004 11:23:22 AM PST by Libertina (God bless and protect our troops - strengthen their families , bring them home to us!)
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To: Libertina

Same here.

Just wait till I run in 2016...after President Sanford's term is up. ;-)


32 posted on 12/29/2004 11:44:49 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: Howlin

That was a great post you reposted...I really loved the way he took advantage of the reporter's original question (after stressing that the taxpayer dollars the US sends is seperate from what American private CITIZENS send) tell us donating private citizens to donate cash rather than blankets because cash is easier to transport.


33 posted on 12/29/2004 12:01:28 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: RockinRight

I hope someone (other than the UN) sets up an audit of how the money given to the UN for this disaster is being spent.

I'd like to know if Kofi's son Kojo's new company gets any of the money meant for the victims.


34 posted on 12/29/2004 12:24:29 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: anniegetyourgun
Had it been me, I would have announced the redirecting of U.N. funding fromt he U.S. to aid relief.

Good idea. Works for me. We should just use 06's dues. Anyone know a Congress critter who might be receptive toward sponsoring some legislation?

35 posted on 12/29/2004 1:07:20 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Chi-townChief

Nahhh. That would sound too much like Harry Truman and we couldn't have that now, could we?

/s


36 posted on 12/29/2004 2:24:10 PM PST by Humidston (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282122/posts - Blood on the Potomac!)
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To: HMFIC

I sure wish that the expulsion of the U.N. would happen. It would be a wonderful thing. I just don't see our leaders growing big enough b*lls to do it. The Clintons would never "permit " it. Let's not forget that Slick Willie wants the job there.


37 posted on 12/29/2004 3:07:59 PM PST by rjrad (rjrad)
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To: RockinRight

As a nation, our government could give more if it wasn't providing defense for over half of the world. Tell ya what, Canada, France, Germany etc. You remiburse us for our military and will kick the cash to humanitarian aid. Okay ?


38 posted on 12/29/2004 3:35:35 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: RockinRight

I'd like to nominate you for Sec. of State


39 posted on 12/29/2004 3:52:18 PM PST by BJClinton (If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit.)
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To: BJClinton

I accept.


40 posted on 12/29/2004 4:03:11 PM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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To: RockinRight

However, if it were me, I'd say "OK, you're right. As of now, ALL foreign aid is cut off, you a--holes."


I don't remember who, but someone posted on here yesterday that The U.S. should announce that our contribution will match the contribution of muslim countries, dollar for dollar.

Sounds fair to me.

(Now watch the Saudis donate more)


41 posted on 12/29/2004 4:06:09 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: RockinRight

I personally would have much preferred our President tell the world with the same (and his, as usual) amount of class and dignity, that this humperdink punk's comment was not worthy of a response.


42 posted on 12/29/2004 4:11:26 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: RockinRight
No such thing as "imperialism" or "unilateralism" when the UN has its eyes on our purse strings, is there? Feaking shakedown artists.
43 posted on 12/29/2004 4:23:57 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"But measuring the generosity of the United States depends on the yardstick. The U.S. government is always near the top in total humanitarian aid dollars — even before private donations are counted — but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product."

Just the kind of crap reporting we've come to expect from the Associated Press.

44 posted on 12/29/2004 5:44:25 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: RockinRight

Call me stingy, but I thought sending $15 million of OUR TAX DOLLARS for this relief effort was too much. In fact, I think sending any foreign aid, in the form of tax dollars, for natural disaster recovery efforts is debatable, at best.


45 posted on 12/29/2004 5:53:40 PM PST by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: Howlin
It is interesting how these socialist countries who are affected by the tsunami disaster, seem to care the least about their own people. These socialist spend lots of energy developing more and more ways to extract taxes from which they can line their own pockets. Forget about keeping the roads fixed or have any funds available for emergencies. Forget about warning their own people when in some cases, they had hours to respond. They are in the same league as the U.N. which has a pathetic track record for fixing any problems around the world. All that money floating around is for the life of luxury with caviar and champaign dinners. Let that tsunami come in. It's not worth getting out of bed for with them.

No wonder the U.N. tries to find fault with the U.S. Anything to deflect their own dismal existence.
46 posted on 12/29/2004 6:24:27 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: RockinRight
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Ok so try this one - all future fees for the U.N. we will send immediately to the Tsunami relief...and by the way - how about some real rent on that prime piece of Manhattan property...
Sharper Minds Daily...
47 posted on 12/29/2004 6:27:18 PM PST by KMC1
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To: RockinRight
But if we don't give more, the Sri Lankans will be justified to hate us and support Al Quida! The next 911 will be Bush's fault too... {sarcasm off}.

How Bush doesn't lose his temper and slap some manners into people is beyond me.
48 posted on 12/29/2004 6:33:08 PM PST by Shqipo (What's Christmas about? Charlie Brown, Linus, and Snoopy have it down.)
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To: Tribune7

ping


49 posted on 12/29/2004 6:35:48 PM PST by Temple Owl (19064)
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To: RockinRight

Andrew Natsios is an impressive and very pro-American person who I've seen give press briefings over the last two days (good thing I surf around as Fox didn't see fit to carry his informative appearances).

Unlike the initial comments the AP reports here, they later get to his real message: The US is the leader in providing aid and we'll come through again like we always do.

He was on Fox today speaking with Chris Wallace (even though they didn't carry the briefings I was pleased to see this) and I do believe he impressed Wallace, too. He flat out said that President Bush is a very kind and generous person--not just with tax money which he realizes comes from the people--but with providing real aid and not just throwing money at it in meaningless amounts without drawing up a plan of action.

I like Natsios very much.


50 posted on 12/29/2004 6:43:19 PM PST by cyncooper
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