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Another "Moderate" Muslim Group - (Not good news. How much is enough?)
FRONTPAGEMAGAZINE.COM ^ | DECEMBER 29, 2004 | DANIEL PIPES

Posted on 12/29/2004 10:44:41 AM PST by CHARLITE

Muqtedar Khan of the Brookings Institution has announced, in a recent article in the Daily Times of Lahore, the coming into existence on Dec. 13, 2004, of yet another organization of American Muslims claiming to be moderates. It does not lack for ambitions: “Now with the constitution of the American Muslim Group for Policy Planning, Moderate Muslims in America have a name and an address.” Unfortunately, in its initial form, the AMGPP does not at all appear to be moderate.

Rather, it resembles the Progressive Muslim Union (which opened its virtual doors a month earlier, and which I have analyzed in a lengthy (blog entry). The two organizations have overlapping personnel, some on the left (Ahmed Nassef) and others Islamist (Salam Al-Marayati). They share an American feel to them (in contrast to many other Muslim organizations, with their more immigrant-like quality). Their main difference seems to be that PMU is based in New York and AMGPP in Washington; this means that while the one has a regular feature on “Sex and the Umma,” the other includes the phrase “policy planning” in its name. The one tries to be hip, the other to be influential.

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1 posted on 12/29/2004 10:44:42 AM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
Moderate muslims = "We only wish to kill the Jews and simply hate the Christians.  We are quite moderate, really."
 
Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

2 posted on 12/29/2004 10:47:39 AM PST by South Hawthorne (Merry Christmas, Happy Hannuka, Funky Kwanza, and a Violent Eid!)
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To: CHARLITE
I'll take the pretense of moderation as a small sign of progress.
3 posted on 12/29/2004 10:49:26 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi

And keep a sharp sword and loaded gun at my side when meeting with them.


4 posted on 12/29/2004 10:52:18 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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To: malakhi

Sorry, Oxymoron until further notice.


5 posted on 12/29/2004 10:52:29 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: malakhi
I'll take the pretense of moderation as a small sign of progress.

I'll take it as a sign of deception.

6 posted on 12/29/2004 10:53:56 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: CHARLITE

Why are there no more Americans in government?


7 posted on 12/29/2004 10:54:07 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: CHARLITE
Hmmmmmmmm...Moon God worship...Ping


8 posted on 12/29/2004 10:58:24 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: CHARLITE

So they have denounced any section of the Quoran that promotes the hatred and killing of non-Muslims? And they have openly condemned any terrorists, including those demented Palistinians? And they announced to the world that Arafat was an evil killer, just like OBL and Hussein and the rest of them? And all those whacky imams who preach that Islam will rule the world should be forever silenced, right?

Sure. Mind you, even if they did say these things, I wouldn't believe or trust them. Sorry. I've seen and read enough.


9 posted on 12/29/2004 11:06:52 AM PST by JudyinCanada (Five-fingered Canadian)
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To: Dan Evans
I'll take it as a sign of deception.

Well, of course. Just like liberals don't want to be known as "liberals" anymore. It's a sign that public opinion has turned enough that they have to try to "re-brand" themselves.

Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.

10 posted on 12/29/2004 11:10:02 AM PST by malakhi
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To: JudyinCanada
This is just another group of muslims that citizens must keep an eye on. When sleeper cells awaken, and they start their jihad on these shores..it would be best to know where they all are.

Muslims intend to convert this country, they've tried it everywhere else, and I'll be darned if I'll trust any muslim-no matter if they call themselves moderated or conservative, the majority are either terrorists or support terrorists.
11 posted on 12/29/2004 11:13:58 AM PST by hushpad
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To: USF; broadsword; ariamne

Moderate ping


12 posted on 12/29/2004 11:16:13 AM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: malakhi
I'll take the pretense of moderation as a small sign of progress.

Progress? Perhaps progress in lulling gullible Americans to sleep for an easier kill.

But that's not what I call progress. A little honesty might be progress, but the "holy" Koran makes it a "virtue" to lie to the infidel if it helps the Musli to kill us.

This crap needs to be sent back the the primitive sand pits that spawned it.
13 posted on 12/29/2004 11:21:58 AM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword

See my #10.


14 posted on 12/29/2004 11:24:18 AM PST by malakhi
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To: jan in Colorado
"You can't be a true American and a Muslim at once."

Ibrahim Moiz, a friend of Army Capt. James Yee, the chaplain who was arrested on spy charges but then released: (Geneive Abdo and E.A. Torriero, "Spy charges dropped, but fear remains," Chicago Tribune, May 3, 2004)

15 posted on 12/29/2004 11:25:56 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: malakhi

WOW! Even YOU are making progress... apparently anyway. Congrats!


16 posted on 12/29/2004 11:26:14 AM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: weenie

"You can't be a true American and a Muslim at once."

Absolutely true. Islam, by its very nature, is at perpetual war against all non-muslim lands. They need to be deported. Anything less is surrender, however slow and agonizing that surrender may be.


17 posted on 12/29/2004 11:28:12 AM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword; weenie; jan in Colorado
I agree. Deportation is the only defense posture we should be taking. These people can not possibly give their allegiance to the United States of America, because they've already given 100% of it - fanatically - to everything listed under "The Will of Allah."

As for "contributions" to America, they want to contribute to it's erosion and it's defeat while accelerating submission to Islam. If enough true Americans began a "Deport Them Now" movement, they would run to the ACLU for legal assistance in fighting "racism" the all purpose claim of "victims" who are intent upon destroying our society, culture, traditions, morals and all that we hold dear.

If something isn't done soon, this Muslim tide can easily become a cultural tsunami hitting us, from sea to shining sea. This worries me more than anything else that we are facing. If we allow islamofascists to destroy America, how important are all of the other "big issues?" (tax reform, education reform, immigration?) Just listing them looks silly, when considered in the light of an eventual "Islamic States of America."

18 posted on 12/29/2004 11:50:09 AM PST by CHARLITE ((very-angry-and-not-going-to-take-it-anymore))
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To: broadsword
WOW! Even YOU are making progress... apparently anyway. Congrats!

Nah, my position hasn't changed, you just came to the wrong conclusion before, without fully knowing what my position was.

I agree that we should not be allowing immigration from Muslim countries, and that Muslims who are here illegally should be deported pronto. I agree that fundamentalist Islam is a serious menace, and that a large portion of the Muslim population worldwide is fundamentalist and either actively wishes us harm or sympathizes with those who do.

I understand your position to be, though, that even Muslims who are U.S. citizens should be deported. I disagree with this, for a number of reasons. First, as citizens they have as much legal right to be here as you or me. Second, how do you go about identifying who is, or isn't, a Muslim? You might be able to identify and expel some, or even many, but how many would be simply driven underground, or convert to another religion under false pretenses? I just don't think this is practical. Which leaves us with intelligence-gathering and a vigorous effort to charge and convict those who conspire to commit acts of terror. Terrorism is an act of war, not a crime. Unlike conventional war, though, it is difficult to identify the combatants. I'm all for streamlining the process of trying and convicting terrorist wannabees by military tribunal, and swiftly executing them.

I know you disagree with me on the question of whether or not Islam can be reformed. I think it is possible, and in fact is the only way Islam is going to survive long term. Assuming that mass conversion to another religion is unlikely, I think it behooves us to carrot-and-stick them into something more resembling Unitarianism.

19 posted on 12/29/2004 11:59:40 AM PST by malakhi
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To: CHARLITE
Some posts (as this last one of yours) just make my eyes bug out for their perfect distillation of the truth.

The only difference between an "American" Muslim and a soldier in Hitler's army is one of tactics.
20 posted on 12/29/2004 12:00:26 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: JudyinCanada

I totally agree with you....I don't trust a one of them. And I have read and heard enough that no one is going to make me believe that Islam is a peaceful religion.


21 posted on 12/29/2004 12:10:44 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: malakhi
Nah, my position hasn't changed, you just came to the wrong conclusion before, without fully knowing what my position was.

Possibly... or partially.

I agree that we should not be allowing immigration from Muslim countries, and that Muslims who are here illegally should be deported pronto. I agree that fundamentalist Islam is a serious menace, and that a large portion of the Muslim population worldwide is fundamentalist and either actively wishes us harm or sympathizes with those who do.

Yep, but it is ISLAM itself and not this mythical "fundamentalist Islam" or "radical Islam". I suggest you read the Koran. I once thought as you.

I understand your position to be, though, that even Muslims who are U.S. citizens should be deported...

The problem is difficult, but not insurmountable. WWII looked insurmountable in the beginning, but it was not.

I know you disagree with me on the question of whether or not Islam can be reformed. I think it is possible, and in fact is the only way Islam is going to survive long term. Assuming that mass conversion to another religion is unlikely, I think it behooves us to carrot-and-stick them into something more resembling Unitarianism.

The fact is that the Koran, Hadith and Shariah call for the murder of anyone who criticized or even questions the Koran or Mohamed. A doctor in Pakistan was given the death sentence for even suggesting that Mohamed might have had pubic hair. If you were a Muslim in "holy" Muslim lands, how would you go about this reformation? What would you say? What would you do? Any attempt at reformation of that bloodthirsty, misogynistic death-cult runs right up against a prefabbed wall of ruthless murder and fatwa.

Reformation is impossible!

At times when different Christian groups have acted like jerks, the Bible stood there in accusation against them.

When Muslims act like peaceful, civilized human beings, the "holy" Koran stands there in accusation against them and calls for their slaughter at the hands of REAL Muslims.

There is no religion on earth like Islam, because it is NOT a religion. It's diabolical nature is attested to by its propensity for evil and its irredeemable nature. I have no problem associating with and befriending and living next to folks of ANY religion on earth, but not Islam. It is here to kill you and me, Malakhi, or force us onto a prayer rug to worship some damned meteorite and bloodthirsty moon god.

Neither you nor I will ever do that, but weakness, doubt, hypersensitivity and hesitation on our parts may get other good Americans killed.

This is not a game, Malakhi, and it's not a joke. The primitives are in this for the long haul and it is a fight to the death.
22 posted on 12/29/2004 12:17:39 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword
"The primitives are in this for the long haul and it is a fight to the death."

Bingo. What can we do about this? The president, whom I did everything possible to help re-elect, continues to pander to these monsters among us by referring to this blood-and-death cult as "a religion of peace" and "one of the world's great religions." Tony Blair has done the same, many times.

They both know better. Why do they deliberately say such things? The tail is already wagging the dog big-time in England, so Blair's policy of going easy on Islam is understandable for political reasons. Here, Bush needs to start calling this pestilence what it is - a concerted effort to weaken and then destroy our country.

If we Americans don't do something, it won't be long before American tax payers will be funding the building of elaborate mosques all over America, as French taxpayers are now meekly doing without protest! It's sickening.

Char

23 posted on 12/29/2004 2:25:02 PM PST by CHARLITE ((very-angry-and-not-going-to-take-it-anymore))
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To: CHARLITE

At this stage of Islam's war on uman civilization (at least in America) the bulk of their efforts are in immigration and infiltration and propaganda to lull the infidel to sleep for an easier kill.

My strategy is to shine the light on them and their filthy Koran and let folks see the truth. Well... that's PART of my strategy anyway.


24 posted on 12/29/2004 3:01:36 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: jan in Colorado

Islamic taquija.... same old lies.. new package.


25 posted on 12/29/2004 5:40:02 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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