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Lost in Translation (Schwarzenegger NEVER SAID "Republicans should move to the left")
FoxNews ^ | Dec. 29, 2004 | Brit Hume (on Grapewine)

Posted on 12/29/2004 1:52:30 PM PST by FairOpinion

There was uproar in Republican circles last week when California Governor Arnold Scharzenegger (search) was quoted in a German newspaper saying that the Republican Party should "move a little further left." But the reporter who conducted the interview now says Schwarzenegger never actually said that.

Marc Hujer translated Schwarzenegger's English remarks into German and says he changed the phrasing to make the interview more understandable to a German audience. Schwarzenegger actually said he'd like to "Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; german; journalist; left; maria; mcclintockspinners; misquoted; misquotes; moveleft; msm; quote; republicans; rino; schwartzenrino; schwarzenegger
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The misquote was all over the media, which was happily trying to sow division between Arnold and the Republicans, and many Republicans, still believing the MSM, were up in arms against Arnold.

Well, MSM lied again, and you have a hard time to find this correction anywhere. I happened to watch FoxNews, when they mentioned the correction, and I was just able to find it on the web, ONLY on FoxNews. The rest of the media is not bothering to bring out the truth.

Keep this in mind, the next time you hear anything from the MSM.

The actual quote from Arnold sounds very different, doesn't it? Arnold merely wants the Republicans to get another 5% of the vote, which would send the Dems into obscurity.

1 posted on 12/29/2004 1:52:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

The actual quote from Arnold sounds very different, doesn't it? Arnold merely wants the Republicans to get another 5% of the vote, which would send the Dems into obscurity.

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So what direction is Arnold suggesting the GOP move in order to get that 5%?

To the right? No.
To the left? Yes.

What's the uproar about?


2 posted on 12/29/2004 1:58:23 PM PST by dmz
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To: FairOpinion

May be a misquote, but Arnold seems more and more like a pompous tool, who had to be begged to campaign for Bush.

Anyone who marries a Kennedy has serious issues. Let him have his time in California. After that, make more movies.


3 posted on 12/29/2004 1:58:42 PM PST by GianniV
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To: FairOpinion

I didn't think Arnold was that stupid and was pleased to see this "correction" the other day. A broken clock is correct more than Old Media these days. LOL


4 posted on 12/29/2004 1:58:46 PM PST by Peach
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To: FairOpinion

What?

Oh please......

Schwarzy is a RINO.


5 posted on 12/29/2004 1:58:49 PM PST by stopem
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To: FairOpinion
The misquote was all over the media

And this forum, stated as PROOF that Arnold really isn't good enough.

6 posted on 12/29/2004 1:59:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: FairOpinion
"Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."

Sorry, but it still reads the same to me. If the GOP is to the right of the centerline, and Arnold advocates crossing over the centerline, then it stands to reason he advocates a move left.

I don't think it lost anything in the translation.

7 posted on 12/29/2004 2:00:53 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion
The actual quote from Arnold sounds very different, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't sound different at all. The title of this thread is misleading and should be changed. The German reporters explanation sound exactly what was reported in the U.S.

Please ask the moderator to change the title, in the interests of accuracy.

8 posted on 12/29/2004 2:02:01 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: GianniV

Apparently you missed Arnold's terrific speech in support of Bush at the Republican convention, which may have given Bush a good number of "middle-of-the-road" moderates, votes, which he needed to win.

Arnold's speech was only second to that of Zell Miller.


9 posted on 12/29/2004 2:02:28 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion; Howlin; NormsRevenge
He didn't say it, but that won't matter. The pitchforks and torches will still arrive on schedule.

Let's all Poke that 500 lb gorilla...HHAAHAahahahahaaa.......

ping-NR

10 posted on 12/29/2004 2:04:24 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: nickcarraway
The article SAYS this:

"But the reporter who conducted the interview now says Schwarzenegger never actually said that."

How is that my putting that in the title IN PARANTHESIS, as explanation, since "Lost in Translation", which is the actual title of the article gives no indication, what it's about.

11 posted on 12/29/2004 2:05:02 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nickcarraway

I obviously edited my last sentence, but didn't finish, when I accidentally hit send, so it ended up totally garbled.


Here is what I meant to say:

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"The article SAYS this:
"But the reporter who conducted the interview now says Schwarzenegger never actually said that."


How is my putting a quote from the article, in the title, IN PARANTHESIS, as explanation, (since "Lost in Translation", which is the actual title of the article gives no indication, what it's about) inaccurate?

Please explain.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 2:07:56 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nickcarraway

I guess to you "middle" = "left"?

Do you favor the Republican party going further to the right and LOSING 5-10% of the moderates, thereby IT being relegated to a permanent party of minority, and letting the Dems rule the US?


13 posted on 12/29/2004 2:09:57 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Did you read the full article?

How do you explaint his?

"move a little further left." But the reporter who conducted the interview now says Schwarzenegger never actually said that.

"Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."

move a little further left = cross over that centerline a little bit

Those two statements mean the same thing, unless you contend that the Republican Party is left of the centerline. Is that what you meant??

I think your headline is misleading, and you should change it if you are honorable. By the way, if you have the original German I will look at it, as I speak German.

14 posted on 12/29/2004 2:10:14 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion

Doesn't change the fact that Ahhnold was a sh-ty actor and a joke of a statesman.


15 posted on 12/29/2004 2:14:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: FairOpinion
I guess to you "middle" = "left"?

NO, it doesn't. But direction is still a meaningful concept. A person in Southern Chile who goes ten miles north, is still going North, even if they are in the extreme Southern part of the earth..

Are you saying that if Schwarzegger said that a person in Southern Chile should move a little bit to the North, and it was reported that that Schwarzenegger said yhat person should move Northward, it was incorrect?

Let's face it, this is sheer equivocation.

16 posted on 12/29/2004 2:14:52 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Cross over the center line = MIDDLE

The phrasing and context makes a big difference.

Moving to the left is interpreted as several giant steps to the left, basically becoming a Democrats, while calling yourself a Republican.

Crossing over the center line "A LITTLE BIT" means welcoming moderates. Arnold also made the purpose very clear, to get more people into the tent of the Republican Party and taking power away from the Democrats.

Apparently you don't think taking power away from the Democrats by minor changes is a good thing?


17 posted on 12/29/2004 2:15:05 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

cross over that centerline a little bit,

Okay, maybe there are those who think everyone isn't educated. You move from centerline it is either left or right and Arnie definitely meant left. Even conservatives are playing semantics with us.


18 posted on 12/29/2004 2:15:25 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: FairOpinion

Dangit. I got a kneecap in the eye for nothing!


19 posted on 12/29/2004 2:15:39 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Clemenza

Ronald Reagan was an actor.


20 posted on 12/29/2004 2:16:10 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: stopem

"Schwarzy is a RINO"

Gee, what a revelation


21 posted on 12/29/2004 2:16:16 PM PST by pissant
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To: FairOpinion
Ronald Reagan = OK Actor, GREAT Statesman

Send this son of a Nazi back to Austria.

22 posted on 12/29/2004 2:17:41 PM PST by Clemenza (Morford 2008: Not that there's anything wrong with it!)
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To: nickcarraway

At this point, I don't think the Republicans have to move anywhere to take votes away from the Dims. They're doing pretty good at losing on their own.


23 posted on 12/29/2004 2:17:49 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: doodlelady; nopardons; onyx

PING -- this doesn't seem to get much press, setting the record straight.


24 posted on 12/29/2004 2:18:29 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NittanyLion

He said he likes the Republican Party right where it is.

The crossover he refers to is in accepting another 5% into the Party. Cross over the centerline while running for office not while making laws. There is a huge difference.

Unfortunately most Republicans fail to realize the way our schools teach our children to think. They teach they that Republicans act further right than they preach (we don't). They say the same about the Left but the left preaches far, far, far to the right of where they act.


25 posted on 12/29/2004 2:18:31 PM PST by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: FairOpinion
ONLY on FoxNews

It was reported here several days ago. And a google search shows 100's of hits. I read it in the Sacbee. But you are correct that the NYSlime, Washpost didn't give it much if any press.

26 posted on 12/29/2004 2:19:46 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: FairOpinion
Do you favor the Republican party going further to the right and LOSING 5-10% of the moderates, thereby IT being relegated to a permanent party of minority, and letting the Dems rule the US?

False dilemma.

The choice isn't simply between moving left and gaining 5-10% v. moving right and losing 5-10%. It isn't even clear that a move to the left will gather more votes than a move to the right.

27 posted on 12/29/2004 2:21:11 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: ImphClinton

You are getting the point exactly.

One also wonders about the exact context, obscured by the "...", which probably would have made it even clearer, where Arnold stood. You interpreted correctly and explained it well.

"Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."


28 posted on 12/29/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Cross over the center line = MIDDLE

Crossing over the center line from the right= going leftward

Crossing over the center line from the left= moving rightward

If someone was on the extreme left and they moved a little towards the middle, they would still be moving rightward, even if the were still far left. Can you argue that?

29 posted on 12/29/2004 2:21:56 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Drango

I did a search and couldn't find anything, except the FoxNews article.

If it was mentioned elsewhere, I am glad, but it still didn't get anywhere the kind of press the original FALSE quote did.


30 posted on 12/29/2004 2:22:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently you don't think taking power away from the Democrats by minor changes is a good thing?

It doesn't matter what I think, the accuracy of what is reported matters, and this thread's title is a falsehood.

31 posted on 12/29/2004 2:23:30 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ImphClinton
The crossover he refers to is in accepting another 5% into the Party. Cross over the centerline while running for office not while making laws. There is a huge difference.

I'm not sure how you make that inference, particularly given the fact that Arnold crosses the centerline both in his run for office and the way he actually governs. It's no surprise to me that he wants to move the party to his position, which is inarguably liberal-moderate.

32 posted on 12/29/2004 2:24:25 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion
Keep this in mind, the next time you hear anything from the MSM.

It's amazing how many times we see posters being jerked around by the MSM. They will never learn.

33 posted on 12/29/2004 2:24:44 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: FairOpinion

If you do want my opinion, I don't think immitating a party that lost the last three elections is wise. Bush has already had a policy of only appointing moderates and forbidding conservatives for his second term, what more do you want?


34 posted on 12/29/2004 2:25:37 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The reason the Dems lost is exaclty because the Repbulicans were able to capture the votes of the moderates.

We need more of them, not fewer.


35 posted on 12/29/2004 2:27:08 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Are you going to correct the tile of this thread?


36 posted on 12/29/2004 2:28:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion
The reason the Dems lost is exaclty because the Repbulicans were able to capture the votes of the moderates.

By all accounts we won in 2004 because of the votes of people who want the GOP leading the WOT and thanks to religious voters.

I'd be interested to see you point me to a source that claims moderates handed the GOP this election. I haven't seen that claim substantiated to this point.

37 posted on 12/29/2004 2:28:53 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion

This interview was done after the election.


38 posted on 12/29/2004 2:29:42 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NittanyLion

There isn't any one group, that has enough people, to provide a Republican (or Dem) win by itself.

Even a lot of Dems voted for Bush, because of national security, of have you forgotten Ed Koch. He was not alone.

The way for the Republicans to win is exactly the way Bush and Arnold says, you have to appeal to the spectrum from the right, to the middle.

Where do you think Bush's compassionate conservatism comes from, except understanding the realities, which some people here unfortunately refuse to grasp. ( Note I didn't say people couldn't grasp it, they just don't want to, preferring to live in a fantasy world.)


39 posted on 12/29/2004 2:32:53 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

This is what was reported:

"I would like the Republican Party to cross this line, move a little further left and place more weight on the center," he was quoted as saying. "This would immediately give the party 5 percent more votes without it losing anything elsewhere."





This is what he said:

Schwarzenegger actually said he'd like to "Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."


40 posted on 12/29/2004 2:34:46 PM PST by Howlin
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To: FairOpinion
So first you claimed, "The reason the Dems lost is exaclty because the Repbulicans were able to capture the votes of the moderates."

And now you say, "There isn't any one group, that has enough people, to provide a Republican (or Dem) win by itself."

In other words, you misrepresented the true political landscape in your first post.

Setting that aside, it doesn't necessarily follow that moving left is the way to capture more votes. I hear that assertion made often, yet I've yet to see evidence to back it up.

41 posted on 12/29/2004 2:35:20 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
His success seems to sort of prove his point.

You accomplish nothing if you run and lose. Move 5 or 10% to the left and win and then you can accomplish something. I agree you might have to hold your nose and vote for some things. But that is far better than having no vote at all. Especially when you can get a lot of what you in your heart ran for accomplished. Especially when you can bring the majority further to the right.

This is a slow war and minor victories will bring success. Little by little we can move the country to the right again.

Arnold simply knows where he lives and what he must do to survive there.
42 posted on 12/29/2004 2:35:55 PM PST by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Bump!


43 posted on 12/29/2004 2:37:12 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ImphClinton
His success seems to sort of prove his point.

I disagree. The final results clearly demonstrate the McClintock would also have won. Now I don't mean to rehash the McClintock/Arnold debate here, but just because Arnold won under a unique set of circumstances doesn't mean only liberal-centrists can win in the future.

44 posted on 12/29/2004 2:37:39 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Hi Heels

I'm old-fashioned, I don't stray over the centerline to gain advantage, some folks do..

I like governors that blend into the woodwork and just get the job done.

Happy Holiday and here's to the battles ahead on Sacramento. :-)


45 posted on 12/29/2004 2:38:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: FairOpinion
When this was discussed a week or so ago, I went to the German paper in question and translated the article.

If Schwarzenegger gave the interview in English, then what you have below is an English to German to English document.

At any rate, there doesn't seem to me to be a whole lot to fudge in translation, since I think the terms almost translate literally.

....Start copy & paste of previous post:

Here's my translation of the paragraph in question:

Sueddeutsche.de

17.12.2004

Interview mit Arnold Schwarzenegger

"Dieser Laden hier soll explodieren"

Interview: Marc Hujer

begin excerpt:

SZ: Mr Governor, moderate republicans complain that America has taken the wrong course, that the "neo-conservatives" have hi-jacked the party. To whom does the future belong in the Republican party, George Bush and Dick Cheney or moderate republicans like John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani?

Schwarzenegger: It has to adjust somewhat. The Republican party covers at present only the spectrum from far right (Rechtsaußen.....outside right would be the literal translation....[lj]) to the middle; and the democratic party covers the spectrum from the left to the middle. I would wish that the Republican party crosses this dividing line, shifts somewhat more to the left and puts more emphasis on the middle. This would immediately give the party five per cent more votes, without it losing some somewhere else.

end excerpt

Translated by longjack

The link to the original German article:

Sueddeutsche.de...."Dieser Laden hier soll explodieren"

... end copy and paste of link

The link to my original FR post:

FreeRepublic....12/24/2004...Schwarzenegger never talked about Republicans moving left, German reporter says

longjack

46 posted on 12/29/2004 2:41:20 PM PST by longjack
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To: NormsRevenge

Arnie ain't NEVER gonna blend into the woodwork. BUT, McClintock's coming on strong.... And I think he's got a good chance. I'm looking forward to helping on his campaign.


47 posted on 12/29/2004 2:44:44 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: taxesareforever
"Even conservatives are playing semantics with us."

There is nothing conservative about RINOneggar or his supporters...they are yeller-dawg Pubbies who don't care that they're becoming the "other" liberal party. Pubbies and 'Rats are equally guilty of spin, as this inane thread proves.

Scouts out! Cavalry Ho!

48 posted on 12/29/2004 2:46:06 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: longjack

"and puts more emphasis on the middle. "

Thank you very much for your translation, and the context of what the question was, that Arnold responded to. Looks like the German article preserved more of the context, than when our MSM got hold of it, and omitted the parts giving it context.


49 posted on 12/29/2004 2:47:35 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nickcarraway

The title of the article is correct. My comment in paranthesis, helping people get an idea, what the article is about is ALSO correct, it's a quote from the article itself.

What you are really objecting to is exactly that I am letting people find out the truth, and correct the falsehood, which people here latched onto, by believing what the MSM told them, because this time the MSM said something they wanted to believe, that Arnold was not behaving as a "true Republican".

The truth is that Arnold is more of a "real Republican", than those who would prefer the Republican party to slip into oblivion, by only catering to the extreme right.


50 posted on 12/29/2004 2:51:48 PM PST by FairOpinion
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