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Doctors Kill More People Than Guns Do
NewsMax.com ^ | 12/29/04 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 12/29/2004 2:25:18 PM PST by kattracks

Back before the November election, many mainstream media pundits – trying desperately to get John Kerry elected – began to harp on President Bush's unwillingness to stop certain federal gun control laws from expiring as scheduled. But their propaganda efforts came to naught because this issue was a non-starter with the American people.

The fact is, in this day of post-9/11 increased security consciousness, most average Americans simply don’t want more gun control. They want more guns on hand to defend themselves and their loved ones in the face of possible life-threatening danger. Soccer moms are now taking handgun proficiency courses down at the local firing range.

Liberals are always complaining about getting to the root of the problem – unless it deals with gun rights. Then they abandon all logical analysis and resort to hysteria, distortion and downright lies.

Today I want to set the record straight and dispel a few of the more common myths with some hard facts.

First, according to statistics provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, there is an interesting correlation between accidental deaths caused by guns and those caused by doctors.

Doctors: (A) There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year. (C) Accidental death percentage per physician is 0.171.

Guns: (A) There are 80 million gun owners in the U.S. (B) There are 1,500 accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups. (C) The percentage of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.0000188.

Statistically, then, doctors are 9,000 times more dangerous to the public health than gun owners are.

Fact: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Following the logic of liberals, we should all be warned: "Guns don't kill people. Doctors do."

More seriously, Dr. Glen Otero of the Claremont Institute has published an enlightening article entitled "Ten Myths About Gun Control." (The entire article can be found at the Web site of Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws, www.dsl.org.) Here are just a few of his well-documented findings.

You get the picture: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. But sometimes law-abiding citizens with guns can save the lives of other innocent people.

It’s time to restore some common sense to the hysterical debate over gun control. When Cain killed Abel with a rock, God didn’t ban all rocks. He dealt with Cain personally. We need to enforce our criminal laws against murder, robbery and assault.

I will cite the testimony of just one more expert witness. No, it’s not another politician or media pundit. Here’s what former Mafia underboss, self-confessed hit man and government informant Sammy "The Bull" Gravano had to say:

"Gun control? It’s the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I’m a bad guy, I’m always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You pull the trigger with a lock on, and I’ll pull the trigger. We’ll see who wins."

It’s time for liberals to go out and buy a gun. And maybe get a life – or at least protect one.

Copyright © 2004 by Nathan Tabor



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
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To: mtbopfuyn; Happy2BMe

Only doctors and lawyers have practices. You don't object to being practiced on, do you?


21 posted on 12/29/2004 2:48:02 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: kattracks

Wonder what the accidental death percentage per stunt team, bomb disposal personnel, fighter pilot, Alaskan crab boat captain etc is?

Dealing with sick people is inherently dangerous. The performance of medical care delivery carries risk.

How many deaths would occur without the presence or participation of imperfect doctors, who make fatal mistakes, in the population at risk for iatrogenic injury/fatalities?

Sorry to post and run but I am on my way out of the office and wanted to express a alternate viewpoint for contemplation.


22 posted on 12/29/2004 2:48:17 PM PST by US admirer
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To: kattracks

Read this back when GOPfun.com was regularly maintained. Always a fun stat to use against the gun control nuts!


23 posted on 12/29/2004 2:52:05 PM PST by TheRatHunter
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To: kattracks; cpforlife.org

"Doctors: (A) There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year. (C) Accidental death percentage per physician is 0.171."

These figures do not take into account the deaths that are caused by doctors ON PURPOSE, in the name of "Woman's right to choose."


24 posted on 12/29/2004 2:55:07 PM PST by shibumi ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - John Galt)
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To: Defendingliberty
More people die in the Cleveland Clinic than the Walk-in clinic

The ones in the Cleveland Clinic are sicker.

If you have a disease that is 100% fatal, and you get a treatment that is 90% effective but has a 10% complication rate, and you die of a complication, were you "killed by the doctor"?

25 posted on 12/29/2004 2:57:07 PM PST by Jim Noble (Colgate '72)
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To: kattracks

Do Doctors kill more people than cigarettes? Maybe we should outlaw Doctors (especially in the inner city)? Or at least levy hefty tax on people stupid enough to use Doctors. Its for their own good anyway, as using a Doctor has been shown to precede death. For good measure, hospitals should be sued for "distributing" Doctors.

I could go on and on.......


26 posted on 12/29/2004 3:20:39 PM PST by rbg81
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To: kattracks

My wife had a cousin who was ran over by a Doctor in front of the hospital.....I'M SERIOUS !!


27 posted on 12/29/2004 3:40:12 PM PST by Azure Dreams
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To: US admirer
I believe the author wrote this with tongue firmly placed in cheek. He was trying to make a point, imo, not knock doctors in general.
28 posted on 12/29/2004 3:45:44 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

**I believe the author wrote this with tongue firmly placed in cheek. He was trying to make a point, imo, not knock doctors in general.**

Personally, I have more confidence in faith healing, chiropractors,shamans, medicine men and witch doctors ;)


29 posted on 12/29/2004 3:49:10 PM PST by Azure Dreams
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To: secret garden
What about the dreaded doctors with guns? I shudder to think of the possiblities. ;)

I think we need stricter laws that will make it more difficult to see a doctor at a gun show.

30 posted on 12/29/2004 3:55:02 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

Can you imagine a doctor reporting to the OR with a Desert Eagle on his hip?


31 posted on 12/29/2004 3:59:36 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: kattracks
Doctors: (A) There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year. (C) Accidental death percentage per physician is 0.171.

This doesn't even include the "wrong leg taken off" type incidents which don't kill, but maim.

Thanks for posting the article.

az

32 posted on 12/29/2004 4:04:55 PM PST by Arizona
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To: Jim Noble

You have to understand, that Doctors in general make a good living and therefore are among the "privileged". For that reason it certainly is justified to believe any made up derogatory statistics about them.


33 posted on 12/29/2004 4:07:39 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Defendingliberty

Please note, that is why they call it the "Walk-in"clinic and not the "Walk-out" clinic. No guarantees.


34 posted on 12/29/2004 4:26:49 PM PST by Shisan ("The law is the true embodiment of everything that's excellent...")
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To: Jim Noble
If you rupture an abdominal aortic aneurysm outside the hospital, but make it to the hospital alive, the survival rate is less than 50%, due to the nature of the disease. So the surgeons who take these very ill patients to the operating room immediately save 50% of them. That's the rational viewpoint.

On the other hand, we have the irrational, conventional wisdom, emotionally charged sensationalist viewpoint: those surgeons kill half of those patients.

As a practicing physician for 25 years, I truly look forward to retirement. Our society's prevailing victim mentality that physicians are responsible for any bad medical outcome has led me to the point where I actually actively discourage any young person who wishes to practice medicine, including my own children. For those of you who subscribe to the "hate the privileged doctor class warfare mentality", I have this advice: Go Treat Yourselves.
35 posted on 12/29/2004 4:34:04 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: kattracks

BTTT!!!


36 posted on 12/29/2004 4:41:40 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: The Teen Conservative
...although they could turn this around into an anti-tort reform message...

Only if you make the mistaken assumption that every one of those deaths is due to error or negligence on the part of the physician.

Sheer statistical probability dictates that some percentage of a physician's patient base will die during any given year.

Even if that physician is a dermatologist.

: ^ )

37 posted on 12/29/2004 4:51:31 PM PST by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: ConservativeGadfly

Your favorite opponent...


38 posted on 12/29/2004 4:56:45 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: kattracks

Gun ping


39 posted on 12/29/2004 4:59:27 PM PST by Buzwardo
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To: F15Eagle

They can have my doctor when they pry him from my cold dead hands .....

nah just doesn't sound right.......


40 posted on 12/29/2004 5:06:36 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now !)
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