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Doctors Kill More People Than Guns Do
NewsMax.com ^ | 12/29/04 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 12/29/2004 2:25:18 PM PST by kattracks

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To: Bushforlife

Interesting. It was indeed bacterical meningitis. Thank you very much, I didn't know all that.


51 posted on 12/29/2004 6:01:40 PM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: kattracks

And one doctor can kill over and over and over and over. Just pay his malpractice insurance, and the AMA will let him practice.


52 posted on 12/29/2004 6:07:45 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close and safe.)
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To: festus
nah just doesn't sound right.......

I know, I was thinking, could there be a concealed carry of your doctor...

(and that didn't sound right either)

I guess always keep your doctor in a safe place and never point your doctor at anyone, even if you think he's not loaded.

8)
53 posted on 12/29/2004 6:25:31 PM PST by F15Eagle
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To: Bushforlife
People are normally rewarded in large measure by the amount of risk they are prepared to take.

I've been in business for myself for somewhat longer than the time you've been practicing medicine. I have done well, but always by taking risks in the marketplace. Risks, I might add, that have never been covered by insurance.

So what was your net taxable income last year?

54 posted on 12/29/2004 7:22:37 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: Bushforlife

I don't envy your position. You are right on. You guys save lives daily that in the "old days" folks wouldn't have made it. I guess we all expect miracles now. Hell, heart bypass surgery by a coworker is now a "routine deal." Mind blowing really.

I wish you well with retirement when it comes. Hang in there!

:)


55 posted on 12/29/2004 7:27:49 PM PST by SideoutFred (Save us from the Looney Left)
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To: Beenliedto
So your position is that the injustice should be tolerated and excused if one has a high income? Interesting thought process.

Having liability insurance is a requirement for physician licensure, not a choice. The state [managed by lawyers] mandates that a physician carry such insurance, so that other attorneys can have access to that deep pocket via lawsuits. The cost of the liability insurance differs by specialty; currently in my specialty it is in excess of $100K. This premium comes out of the physicians' pocket. That cost is passed on to the consumer. But I guess that's ok with you, since one must take "risks in the marketplace".

Your analogy between business marketplace risk and medical malpractice liability does not hold water. You have the ability to choose your risk; taking a risk by investment is indeed one of the essential components of a capitalist system. You can choose the AMOUNT of risk to take. You can choose WHEN to take it. You can choose to diversify your endeavors so as to minimize your exposure to risk.

On the other hand, I do not choose to take risk. I am merely trying to practice medicine, whereas malpractice profiteers choose to profit from the fact that medicine is an art rather than an exact science, and from the fact that at the beginning of the medical encounter one does not know the final answer one is trying to deduce, whereas the medical malpractice profiteer knows what the final outcome turned out to be, and seeks to demonstrate how easy this answer could have been arrived at had the physician only taken THESE SIMPLE STEPS, ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
And once these laypeople of the jury [NOT a jury of my peers, by the way] are subjected to the theatre of the courtroom and convinced that this poor unfortunate outcome could have been avoided ONLY if that doctor had taken these simple steps [arrived at, once again, after the final outcome is well known], or that this poor unfortunate soul needs the insurance money even if the Doctor actually didn't do anything wrong, then the doctor's reputation is besmirched, and he is declared to have been the CAUSE of this persons injury or death. So, Mr. Beenliedto [apt name], what amount of income justifies THAT?

Again, your underlying premise that I should tolerate and excuse medical malpractice profiteering for the sake of a comfortable income is intolerable for anyone of principle. I refuse to be a willing cash cow to be milked by malpractice attorneys at will, and I refuse that role for ANY amount of money.

And by the way, there is one wager, or RISK, that I WOULD be willing to take. Although you have "been in business for myself for somewhat longer than the time you've been practicing medicine", I have no doubt at all that my hourly income is less than yours. And how many 12 hour overnight business shifts have you done? How many Thanksgivings, Easters, and Christmases have you spent on the job? How many unattractive business deals have you chosen to turn down, as opposed to myself who must see anyone who shows up at the door, no matter the ability to pay, no matter how unpleasant the problem. Thirty five per cent of my patients never pay me ANYTHING for their care. In fact, I lose money because of the resources I must expend on them [a non-taxable loss, since no income is thereby produced].How many business deals do you sign onto knowing in advance that they will cost you money, rather than turn a profit?

Good luck on your future analogies.
56 posted on 12/29/2004 8:01:14 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bushforlife

Probally the Reason why I am choosing chemistry.


57 posted on 12/29/2004 11:24:57 PM PST by John Will
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To: kattracks

We had an incident in the People's Republic of Eugene a couple of years back, where some doctors group paid for anti-gun advertising to be placed on the back of the local People's Transportation (buses).

There was a retired firebrand down there who was busy making the City Council miserable about it, with considerable encouragement from the rest of us benighted redneck rabble. At the time, he was planning on trying to force the Council to allow him to purchase advertising space on the buses, *pointing out that more people are killed by doctors than by guns*, just as the article states.

I don't know if he succeeded, but if he did, the doctors would have gotten exactly what they deserved.


58 posted on 12/30/2004 12:44:48 AM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: Jim Noble
"More people die in the Cleveland Clinic than the walk-in clinic"
"The ones in the Cleveland Clinic are sicker."

You assume I don't know that. My statement is true, you can't argue with the facts. I have been learning to think like a progressive (AKA liberal) Say something that is true on the face, yet stupid and unrelated to truth. The real truth is people at death's door will do anything to get to the Cleveland Clinic (because of the great treatment) and people with head colds frequent walk-in clinics.
59 posted on 12/30/2004 3:32:47 AM PST by Defendingliberty (www.456th.com)
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To: US admirer
I snipped these from the full chart.

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Leading Causes of Death in the United States

As compiled from data reported by the National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 15, September 16, 2002

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Leading Causes of Death in the United States

Note: In the yellow row, "Total Number of Deaths," the percentages answer the question, "Of the total number of deaths
for all ages in the United States, what percent was attributed to each age group."

In the white rows, percentages answer the question, "Of the total number of deaths for all ages in each 'Cause of Death,
' what percentage was attributed to each age group."

Cause of Death/Age Range All Ages Under 1 Yr 1-4 yrs 5-14yrs 15-24 yrs 25-34 35-44
Total Number of Deaths 2,403,351 100% 28,035 1.2% 4,979 0.2% 7,413 0.3% 3,1307 1.3% 40,451 1.7% 89,798 3.7%
Motor Vehicle Accidents 43,354 1.8% 168 0.6% 651 13.1% 1,772 23.9% 10,560 33.7% 6,884 17.0% 6,927 7.7%
Firearms 28,663 1.2% 13 0.0% 46 0.9% 377 5.1% 6,575 21.0% 5,789 14.3% ,5358 6.0%
NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police

Cause of Death/Age Range 45-54 55-64 65-74 75-84 85 and over Not stated
Total Number of Deaths 160,341 6.7% 240,846 10.0% 441,209 18.4% 700,445 29.1% 658,171 27.4% 356 0.0%
Motor Vehicle Accidents 5,361 3.3% 3,506 1.5% 3,038 0.7% 3,173 0.5% 1,288 0.2% 26 7.3%
Firearms 3,951 2.5% 2,272 0.9% 1,941 0.4% 1,723 0.2% 600 0.1% 18 5.1%

Leading Causes of Accidental Death in the United States

Note: In the yellow row, "Total Number of Deaths," the percentages answer the question, "Of the total number of deaths
for all ages in the United States, what percent was attributed to each age group."

In the white rows, percentages answer the question, "Of the total number of deaths for all ages in each 'Cause of Death,
' what percentage was attributed to each age group."

Cause of Death/Age Range All Ages Under 1 Yr 1-4 yrs 5-14yrs 15-24 yrs 25-34 35-44
Total Number of Deaths 97,900 100%  881 0.9% 1,826 1.9% 2,979 3.0% 14,113 14.4% 11,769 12.0% 15,413 15.7%
Motor Vehicle 43,354 44.3% 168 19.1% 651 35.7% 1,772 59.5% 10,560 74.8% 6,884 58.5% 6,927 44.9%
Unspecified nontransport accid'ts 17,437 17.8% 572 64.9% 266 14.6% 267 9.0% 648 4.6% 895 7.6% 1446 9.4%
Falls 13,322 13.6% 8 0.9% 36 2.0% 37 1.2% 237 1.7% 303 2.6% 608 3.9%
Poisoning and Noxious Subst's 12,757 13.0% 14 1.6% 32 1.8% 45 1.5% 1,160 8.2% 2,380 20.2% 4,663 30.3%
Drowning 3,842 3.9% 75 8.5% 493 27.0% 375 12.6% 646 4.6% 419 3.6% 480 3.1%
Exposure to Smoke, Fire, Flames 3,377 3.4% 37 4.2% 290 15.9% 266 8.9% 192 1.4% 241 2.0% 402 2.6%
Other Land Transport Accidents 1,492 1.5% 2 0.2% 31 1.7% 98 3.3% 243 1.7% 212 1.8% 317 2.1%
Complications of Med/Surg Care 3,059 3.1% 19 2.2% 22 1.2% 31 1.0% 32 0.2% 85 0.7% 149 1.0%
Accidental Discharge of Firearms 776 0.8% 1 0.1% 18 1.0% 67 2.2% 202 1.4% 131 1.1% 153 1.0%

Cause of Death/Age Range 45-54 55-64 65-74 75-84 85 and over Not stated
Total Number of Deaths 12,278 12.5% 7,505 7.7% 7,698 7.9% 11,758 12.0% 11,595 0.5% 85 0.1%
Motor Vehicle 5,361 43.7% 3,506 46.7% 3,038 39.5% 3,173 27.0% 1,288 11.1% 26 30.6%
Unspecified accidents 1,510 12.3% 1,349 18.0% 1,824 23.7% 3,678 31.3% 4,966 42.8% 16 18.8%
Falls 871 7.1% 949 12.6% 1,660 21.6% 3,841 32.7% 4,772 41.2% 0 0.0%
Poisoning and Noxious Subst's 3,061 24.9% 688 9.2% 278 3.6% 245 2.1% 184 1.6% 7 8.2%
Drowning 354 2.9% 217 2.9% 179 2.3% 156 1.3% 64 0.6% 24 28.2%
Exposure to Smoke, Fire, Flames 439 3.6% 369 4.9% 401 5.2% 472 4.0% 263 2.3% 5 5.9%
Other Land Transport Accidents 234 1.9% 122 1.6% 100 1.3% 91 0.8% 35 0.3% 7 8.2%
Complications of Med/Surg Care 295 2.4% 376 5.0% 647 8.4% 825 7.0% 578 5.0% 0 0.0%
Accidental Discharge of Firearms 78 0.6% 50 0.7% 41 0.5% 24 0.2% 11 0.1% 0 0.0%


60 posted on 12/30/2004 6:00:14 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Bushforlife

Doc, are you just being a bit oversensitive today or is this your normal frame of mind? Imagine what your life would have been if you were a cop or a trucker. Imagine getting cussed at all day long by everyone around you.

I know you literally worked your ass off to become a doctor. Did you think it was going to be a smooth ride once you got into private practice. Should criticism of your profession vanish because you joined it?

I have seen more doctors who I considered not worthy of the title than ones who were. Imagine being a vet where the patient couldn't tell you where it hurt and how bad.

My old grey hair family doctor died a decade ago. He was one of the few that I always called Sir if any other patients were within hearing distance. My current chiropractor is another who fits the title also. These men and their families were/are familiy friends.

We're all in the same income bracket but I wouldn't join your profession for triple the income. The stress level is much higher than I would want to tolerate.

You know if you're a good doctor or not, I can't make that decision without being your patient and talking with your fellowmen and the RN's. I hope you are because if you are then your sense of satisfaction at the end of each day can be tremendous.

Hear's hoping you have a Happy New Year.


61 posted on 12/30/2004 6:26:45 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: kattracks

The author has a two digit IQ. But don't worry, he makes up for it in pure ego.

What a putz.


62 posted on 12/30/2004 7:14:40 PM PST by ConservativeGadfly (Want to join the judicial nominations battle? Go to www.fairjudiciary.com!!!!!)
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To: B4Ranch

Perhaps you could offer some analysis and conclusion for the data that you present.

Thanks.


63 posted on 12/30/2004 7:18:49 PM PST by US admirer
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To: US admirer

analysis and conclusion

Live by the Commandments because death could be the in next step you take.


64 posted on 12/30/2004 8:15:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Beenliedto; Bushforlife
re: No need to go defensive. No one's after you.)))

Huh. Somehow I think a lot of bad actors are after his good doctor. He walks around with a big bull's eye on his back.

65 posted on 02/23/2006 9:33:04 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Bushforlife
Looks like you're in a tough state for Docs. Rendell is in the back pocket of the Trial Lawyers--Here's a prayer for Swann!

(You could try a better state--leave all those doc-hating Pennsylvanians behind.)

66 posted on 02/23/2006 9:35:28 AM PST by Mamzelle
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