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To: Defendingliberty
More people die in the Cleveland Clinic than the Walk-in clinic

The ones in the Cleveland Clinic are sicker.

If you have a disease that is 100% fatal, and you get a treatment that is 90% effective but has a 10% complication rate, and you die of a complication, were you "killed by the doctor"?

25 posted on 12/29/2004 2:57:07 PM PST by Jim Noble (Colgate '72)
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To: Jim Noble

You have to understand, that Doctors in general make a good living and therefore are among the "privileged". For that reason it certainly is justified to believe any made up derogatory statistics about them.


33 posted on 12/29/2004 4:07:39 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Noble
If you rupture an abdominal aortic aneurysm outside the hospital, but make it to the hospital alive, the survival rate is less than 50%, due to the nature of the disease. So the surgeons who take these very ill patients to the operating room immediately save 50% of them. That's the rational viewpoint.

On the other hand, we have the irrational, conventional wisdom, emotionally charged sensationalist viewpoint: those surgeons kill half of those patients.

As a practicing physician for 25 years, I truly look forward to retirement. Our society's prevailing victim mentality that physicians are responsible for any bad medical outcome has led me to the point where I actually actively discourage any young person who wishes to practice medicine, including my own children. For those of you who subscribe to the "hate the privileged doctor class warfare mentality", I have this advice: Go Treat Yourselves.
35 posted on 12/29/2004 4:34:04 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Noble
"More people die in the Cleveland Clinic than the walk-in clinic"
"The ones in the Cleveland Clinic are sicker."

You assume I don't know that. My statement is true, you can't argue with the facts. I have been learning to think like a progressive (AKA liberal) Say something that is true on the face, yet stupid and unrelated to truth. The real truth is people at death's door will do anything to get to the Cleveland Clinic (because of the great treatment) and people with head colds frequent walk-in clinics.
59 posted on 12/30/2004 3:32:47 AM PST by Defendingliberty (www.456th.com)
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