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WA Gov. Race: Rossi Calls on Gregoire to Support Revote [FReeper activism required]
Washington State Republican Party | 29 December 2004 | Chris Vance

Posted on 12/29/2004 6:58:10 PM PST by Publius

Re-Vote!

Rossi calls on Gregoire to support a revote

Call your state legislators to urge that they call for a revote. The legislative hotline is 800-562-6000.

The following is the text of a letter sent today to Christine Gregoire from Dino Rossi:

Dino Rossi

December 29, 2004

Attorney General Christine Gregoire
1125 Washington Street
Olympia, WA 98504

Dear Attorney General Gregoire:

The Secretary of State will certify you as governor-elect tomorrow. Although you will be certified, with all the problems that have plagued this process there won’t be many people in our state who believe with certainty that you actually won the election. The uncertainty surrounding this election process isn’t just bad for you and me – it is bad for the entire state. People need to know for sure that the next governor actually won the election.

We’ve now had three counts – I was certified the victor after Counts 1 and 2, and you will be certified tomorrow as the victor of Count 3. Throughout the entire process, King County Elections staff changed the rules about which ballots would count and, at the end, the Supreme Court also changed the rules. As it now stands, some people in King County had the rules changed so their votes could count, while other wrongfully disenfranchised people across the state – including many members of our military – have been denied the opportunity to have their votes counted.

Additionally, I don’t believe you’ll find many people in this state who think the hand recount was more accurate than the first two counts. Even some Democratic elections officials have said hand counts are less accurate. So we’re now in a situation where nobody really knows who won this election.

Our next governor should enter office without any doubt about the legitimacy of his or her office. The people of Washington deserve to know that their governor was elected fair and square. Unfortunately, the events of the past few weeks now make it impossible for you or me to take office on January 12 without being shrouded in suspicion.

The law allows me to contest the election. An election contest would bring every questioned aspect of this election before the Legislature or a court for review. It would take many weeks, perhaps months, to complete. At the end, even if the results were to change back in my favor, the state would have suffered from the long, drawn-out process.

For several weeks, former Secretary of State Ralph Munro has argued that this election will never be seen as legitimate and that the best option is to put it back into the hands of the voters for a revote. If our roles were reversed, if you had won twice and I had only won in the less-accurate hand recount, I would support a revote. I would not want to enter office with so many people viewing my governorship as illegitimate.

The only good answer is for the people to decide, once and for all, who is the next governor. A revote would be the best solution for the people of our state, and would give us a legitimate governorship. If you and I were to join together and ask the Legislature to pass a bill calling for a special election, the bill would pass quickly, as soon as the 2005 session begins. The revote could be held as soon as possible.

I hope you will agree that a revote makes the most sense to build back people’s trust in our election process, and I look forward to your response.

Best regards,

Dino Rossi


TOPICS: Announcements; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: dinorossi; fraud; gregoire; recount; revote; rossi
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Note that besides Rossi asking Gregoire to support him in asking for a revote -- Gregoire will of course say No -- Vance is asking people to contact their legislators. The idea is to take the bat out of Gregoire's hands and go over her head to the legislature. (I know I'm mixing metaphors.)

In addition to using the legislative hotline, the state legislature website permits FReepers to find out who represents them and how to contact them via e-mail.

We need to make life tough for Democratic legislators if we're going to make this happen. I live in the 32nd, represented by 3 Democrats, and I'm going to make sure they know where I stand!

1 posted on 12/29/2004 6:58:11 PM PST by Publius
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To: CyberCowboy777; Libertina; Chad Fairbanks; JosefK; Clemenza; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; MarMema; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 6:59:40 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

Revote! No way. That will open up a can of worms that nobody will be able to shut again. If Rossi can't dig up the votes he needs in court proceedings he loses. We need to accept that winning political races requires a majority of votes, plus a margin to overcome democratic fraud. He is behind right now because his legal team allowed King County to pull a chicago style introduction of new votes into the election.


3 posted on 12/29/2004 7:08:55 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit

I tend to agree. If the problem is vote fraud a revote doesn't fix it. I think a contest is exactly what is needed here. As a gambit today's move is fine, I think he knows the witch will say no. That leaves either a concession or contesting the election. A contest would force Dino to make specific charges of fraud. These should be easily made. The hand count had many problems, many of which have been documented on Free Republic. The path he is going down, of asking for details, is exactly right. If only 200 bogus voters (felons, double registereds, homeless who don't exist, non-citizens) are found the election will be thrown out.

It will also serve as a huge wake up call to those sleeping through this that there are huge problems with our voting system if an election can be stolen.

I believe a contested election is to be preferred to a revote, as it will tend to shine more light on the illegal activities of the Democrats, and hopefully lead to voting reform in Washington.


4 posted on 12/29/2004 7:18:32 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Publius

What does it take to get Vance or the Rossi campaign to listen for 15 minutes? The kid running the Rossi campaign office today is an idiot. It's frustrating to have information that will make Gregoire go away and those idiots are so short-sighted they can't see the big picture.


5 posted on 12/29/2004 7:25:04 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Publius

I'd suggest one hand of five-card draw, nothing wild.


6 posted on 12/29/2004 7:26:42 PM PST by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: Jack Black
It should be pretty easy to dig up a combination of voters whose votes weren't counted plus voters whose votes should not have been counted and come up with a number greater than 200.

I would imagine the first place to start is in King County. They seem to be able to come up with votes out of thin air. I know there have already been questions about the addresses of some voters being rental storage facilities. It is very much like shady registrations made up by the democratic MUSV (make-up-some-votes) effort.

7 posted on 12/29/2004 7:27:20 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit
>>> We need to accept that winning political races requires a majority of votes, plus a margin to overcome democratic fraud.<<<

So I take it that, if you were a retail business, you would just stand idly by while the shoplifters stole you blind and correct the situation by raising prices on your customers.

Do you have a clue where your brilliance would lead?

8 posted on 12/29/2004 7:37:37 PM PST by HardStarboard (PASS)
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To: Jack Black
Is there any way, theoretically, to have an election that isn't subject to corruption? I kind of like the idea of dipping the right hand in indelible ink to prevent revoting. I like even better an automatic death sentence for voter fraud.

But seriously, what laws can be made that can't be evaded by evil people.

9 posted on 12/29/2004 8:01:34 PM PST by boojumsnark (Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Publius

Thanks Dude, I e-mailed my district.


10 posted on 12/29/2004 8:27:09 PM PST by cmsgop (When The Cracker Gets Old, Get Off Your A$$ and Buy a New Box........)
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To: HardStarboard
You may want to read my post again. I said political races. In order to keep elections out of the courts one needs to win decisively. The idea of a revote opens up the possibility of endless elections going on as long as a politician's legal team finds a friendly court.

I didn't say retail business, but I have a question for you. Do you pay taxes, or social security taxes? If so you, like most of us, are being shoplifted everyday by your government.

I know where my brilliance leads me. Not sure where yours is leading you.

11 posted on 12/29/2004 8:31:06 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: Jack Black; USNBandit

But... the only outcome of a contested election (if successful in court) is that the judge would throw out the election and force a re-vote.

Rossi's challenge merely cuts to the chase.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 8:46:21 PM PST by Ramius
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To: USNBandit

It pains me to agree, but I do. Revotes are not a good idea. We've had a great year, but it looks like we're going to lose this one in Washington. Let's find out where the fraud took place and hammer them on it; we win in the long run that way. Opening a revote can-o-worms could come back to haunt us in a big way. I would cringe if whining dems had revotes at their disposal as a possible "remedy" to whatever horsesh*t tin hat theories they come up with; and they come up with a lot of them.


13 posted on 12/30/2004 6:56:18 AM PST by SAR
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To: Publius

Since when does 1 out of 3 win, anyway?

Dan


14 posted on 12/30/2004 6:58:49 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Since when does 1 out of 3 win, anyway?

Anytime it elects a Democrat.

15 posted on 12/30/2004 7:22:09 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Publius
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing"

Revote is the only way to stop this fraud. Nothing is a threat to our democracy as robbing millions of their civil rights.

16 posted on 12/30/2004 7:25:36 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Publius

Contacted Senator & Rep by e-mail. Thank you for your post.


17 posted on 12/30/2004 7:50:35 AM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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To: Publius

YES!!!....A revote is the only way because of the outright voter fraud by radical leftists in King County trying to maintain business as usual.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 9:23:36 AM PST by Route101
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To: Jack Black

200 bogus voters????....My guess is a lot more than that...Especially in the Land Of Lenin...Fremont.


19 posted on 12/30/2004 9:26:47 AM PST by Route101
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To: Publius

Either a revote or contested election.....but DO NOT go queitly into the night!....screw these damn radical leftists and their corrupt stooges in government here!...Patty Murray or Jim McDermott to name a few...


20 posted on 12/30/2004 9:31:09 AM PST by Route101
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To: Pride in the USA
Let 'em hear from you:

crouse_la@leg.wa.gov
schindle_ly@leg.wa.gov
mccaslin_bo@leg.wa.gov

21 posted on 12/30/2004 9:48:25 AM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: lonevoice


22 posted on 12/30/2004 10:53:55 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: USNBandit; HardStarboard
HardStarboard's analogy was inelegant, but much more apt than yours.

You say that it would be better to have more people vote for our guy than they would have vote for theirs (well duh!), and then have a margin for fraud. While this might be an interesting tactic to use for a future election, it does nothing to address the fraud that is occurring now! (BTW: Even if we accepted your premise, what stops the 'rats from padding their vote totals to overcome your vote totals?)

HardStarboard's analogy suggests that, in the midst of a theft, instead of confronting the thief you recommend a passive "We should work harder to do better next time" approach.

What we have on our plates right now is what we have to deal with. Sure we'll learn from the mistakes that were made, and the tactics that were employed, but why shouldn't we avail ourselves of the courts when we've been ripped off?

IMO Rossi made a classic PR move in inviting Da Grinch to play fair (she declined). IF he hadn't offered, she wouldn't have been put on the spot that makes her look small. If all he had done was to make the pitch, he would have come off looking like the wuss some here have claimed. Instead, he did a one-two punch that was the only reasonable thing to do - make an offer to do the right thing, while simultaneously setting in motion the legal protest.

I'm surprised that more here at FreeRepublic can't read the strategies being played.....
23 posted on 12/30/2004 11:18:18 AM PST by rockrr (Merry Freeper Christmas!)
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To: rockrr

What would you have said in 2000 if Gore asked for a revote in Florida?.........


24 posted on 12/30/2004 11:25:35 AM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit

Dino WON this race - twice. He only "lost" a corrupted, inaccurate hand recount, after liberal King County "found" additional ballots NINE TIMES. Over 500 people in one precinct were listed as having the same address - and that precinct went Gregoire in a landslide.

You can't compare Dino to Gore. Dino WON.


25 posted on 12/30/2004 11:30:39 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I don't know where you get the impression I think Rossi received a minority of legal votes. I am just as sure as you that he got robbed. Where I disagree is the remedy.

Okay, you want a revote. Let's say the next result is back to 42 votes for Rossi. Do we get another revote for that? When does it all end? If Rossi can ask for a revote why couldn't Gore ask for a revote in Florida based on stupid democratic voters and the supposed "butterfly" ballot.

Revotes won't cure fraud. Tightening the voting laws will. In the last 10-15 years we have allowed the democrats to loosen voter laws to the point we don't know who is voting or how often. Motor Voter, voter registration through third parties, absentee ballots handled by political parties, no requirements for i.d. at polling places, provisional ballots. These are all the open doors to fraud which I am 99% sure none of the members of this board have ever had to use. If you want to fix fraud, then fix it. If you want to see endless elections year round start revoting.

26 posted on 12/30/2004 12:42:06 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: rockrr; USNBandit
>>>HardStarboard's analogy was inelegant, but much more apt than yours. <<<

Rockrr, I will grant you two things: 1) yes, my analogy was inelegant and 2) your elegance with words captures perfectly what I intended to imply but didn't take the time.

Thanks

My impression of things as they stand now is that Rossi has offered Gregoire ("Fraudoire" is my preferred appellation), the shoplifter, a chance to put the stolen goods down and exit the store and return as an honest shopper. The shoplifter has refused and thus Rossi has every right to pursue justice. We'll find out on Jan. 22nd what weapon he elects to use.

27 posted on 12/30/2004 1:53:30 PM PST by HardStarboard (PASS)
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To: USNBandit
Okay, you want a revote. Let's say the next result is back to 42 votes for Rossi. Do we get another revote for that?

You don't live in Washington, so I don't know who you mean by "we".

Maybe you don't understand. Right now, the result is so tarnished, so flawed, so corrupted, that the ONLY remedy would be to start from scratch.

You're just plain wrong.

28 posted on 12/30/2004 2:12:11 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Okay, you're right, I'm wrong. You folks don't want to hear from me. Solve it your own way. Revote all you want, but please put it in your state laws and don't drag it into federal court. The last thing the rest of the country needs is legal precedence set for revoting every election from now until eternity.
29 posted on 12/30/2004 2:18:48 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit
No, I guess maybe we don't want to hear from people out of state who don't give a rat's ass that ballots were pemanently altered, White Out was used to turn overvotes into Gregoire votes, military voters were screwed, over 500 "voters" were registered to one building in one precinct that went for Gregoire - I could go on.

We should really just roll over, for the sake of the country. That makes sense.

30 posted on 12/30/2004 2:26:03 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

So when you revote, are you going to fix any of your ballot handling problems? Sounds like your election laws either need to be rewritten or they weren't followed in the first place.


31 posted on 12/30/2004 2:44:59 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit

They were changed mid-process to benefit Gregoire.

I'm not saying those things don't need to be changed - they do. I am saying that walking away from this fight would be the wrong decision. Most Washington Freepers agree with me, because we are here and have witnessed everything that has happened. We can't let them just HAVE this without a fight.

We know that one corrupt county, run by extreme liberals, is in control of the whole state - and they stole the election for their candidate. We don't want to send a message that we're all right with that.


32 posted on 12/30/2004 2:50:28 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Right, and I am not saying to walk away either. I think it would be better to have the courts look at those ballots and throw them out.

Peace, sister.

33 posted on 12/30/2004 3:28:15 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: Publius

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Just like the Florida of 2000...

all Military Votes must be counted...

in the Washington of 2004.


.."For after all,

they're the ones out there...

risking their lives...

for that Right"..


...stated "ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer in a KNBC-TV Channel 4 Interview at Freerepublic.com's 'Sore-Loserman/Count the Military Votes' Demonstration held outside the Los Angeles Federal Bldg during November 2000.


.


34 posted on 12/30/2004 4:03:28 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: USNBandit

Peace...(this sucks, actually).


35 posted on 12/30/2004 5:20:04 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: HardStarboard
Will someone explain why it is so important for Rossi to be governor here and now? The re-voters here make me shudder as much as Gore et. al., did in 2000. The political system is such that no one person can do much damage/good during a single term. There is another election in 4 years, there is your re-vote. WA Republicans need to figure out a way to win by a good margin like G in NYC did after his first defeat. I just assume let the Rat wear the illegitimate-badge for a few years.
36 posted on 12/30/2004 7:00:36 PM PST by sefarkas (why vote Democrat-lite???)
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To: sefarkas
Most of them are afraid of new taxes with a dem gov and state legislature. Of course, the present Governor is dem as well, but Locke at times has acted more like a fiscal conservative than some Republicans.
37 posted on 12/30/2004 7:03:10 PM PST by steve86
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To: sefarkas

Years ago I got on a demo mailing list because I agreed with someone on one issue -- a land conservation thing. Anyway, I used to read some of the messages and they were constantly talking about a state income tax. I think they temporarily dropped the idea while Locke was in office. It would surprise me if the idea doesn't return at the highest level.


38 posted on 12/30/2004 8:02:43 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

No, I don't think so - some of that stuff is probably true, but I think the greater issue is that none of us want to accept such an obviously corrupted result. That's my biggest issue, anyway. We don't have to take this, and we shouldn't.


39 posted on 12/30/2004 11:59:52 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: sefarkas

It's not as important for Rossi to be governor here and now as it is important for us to know the true will of the people, and the Democrats have corrupted the result. King County bungled this badly (we have witnessed what I believe to be blatant cheating), and things across the state have not been handled in an even-handed way. It's not fair to Dino, but more importantly, it's not fair to those who voted for him.

Re-vote. It's the only solution, at this point.


40 posted on 12/31/2004 12:02:53 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

...Dino WON this race - twice. He only "lost" a corrupted, inaccurate hand recount, after liberal King County "found" additional ballots NINE TIMES. Over 500 people in one precinct were listed as having the same address - and that precinct went Gregoire in a landslide.

You can't compare Dino to Gore. Dino WON...

I'd have to agree. They took this election the old fashioned way. They stole it. It's a shame.

Time for Washington to clean up their election laws and process, and maybe next time this can be stopped.


41 posted on 12/31/2004 9:11:07 AM PST by planekT
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To: Ramius; Jack Black; USNBandit

Thank you Ramius...I am about to pull my hair out at the sheer ignorance I keep seeing displayed by out-of-staters on these things, over and over again. Guys, hang on to your opinion until you know the facts of the situation: In Washington a contested election does not lead to courts cherry-picking votes that go in and votes that go out...it leads to the entire election being tossed out -- and that's what a revote is. If you have a preponderance of evidence the courts here don't declare a new winner -- they toss the entire thing out and do it over.


42 posted on 12/31/2004 9:19:15 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: USNBandit
Right, and I am not saying to walk away either. I think it would be better to have the courts look at those ballots and throw them out.

That would be lovely...except for the small problem that the courts don't deal with contested elections in that way. When an election is contested the issue before the court is whether the evidence presented is sufficient to throw out the entire election. The courts are simply looking to see if the process was so tainted by fraud or incompetence that the result cannot be trusted. They have two choices before them: Let the election stand or throw the election out. If they throw it out, then the legislature sets the ground rules for a new election.

43 posted on 12/31/2004 9:27:20 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Throughout the entire process, King County Elections staff changed the rules about which ballots would count and, at the end, the Supreme Court also changed the rules

Maybe you can excuse us "out-of-staters" for misinterpreting the sequence of events. From the above statement made by Mr. Rossi it seemed the validity of certain ballots had been addressed in court.

44 posted on 12/31/2004 9:47:46 AM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit
When the courts were dealing with those matters relating to the Rossi quote you posted the election was not at the point of being contested. Those were cases brought prior to the final certification of the 2nd (hand) recount. At that point, the court could have opted to disallow ballots (cherry pick) as being outside of the proper process for recounts -- in fact, the court SHOULD have done that at that time. Had they done so, we likely would not be needing to contest the election now.

Now we are at a different point in the process -- Rossi did not call for a revote until we reached this point. His call for a revote is perfectly appropriate given the point we are at now -- where a formal contest to the election is the next move. The court cannot go back and unring the bell -- they have just one decision to make in a contest of the election and that is to let it stand or throw it out and do it over.

You have taken a quote given about what happened at one stage in the process - a stage that is past - and applied it one given about the next stage in the process - a stage that has just now begun.

In that way, you are reading the quote out of context.

45 posted on 12/31/2004 10:06:59 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
but I think the greater issue is that none of us want to accept such an obviously corrupted result.

I believe that you are completely sincere in your repugnance to the corruption; however, I think there are those who use it as a convenient excuse and could care less about the integrity of the election process.

46 posted on 12/31/2004 10:23:29 AM PST by steve86
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To: SAR; USNBandit

Ukraine


47 posted on 12/31/2004 11:44:50 AM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: loboinok

There's a pretty high standard, but then I don't live in Washington so how would I know.


48 posted on 12/31/2004 11:50:38 AM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: Jack Black; USNBandit

Do you really think Rossi expected Gregoire to accept his propsal for a re-vote? He's no dummy. What he did was grease the skids for the contest - Gregoire could have avoided it by accepting the revote, but she chose otherwise. It means he likely has some very good cards in his hand.

The Chrissy strategy is to whether the storm - delay, delay, delay. I just heard on KVI that King County is helping to end: they won't get Dino the list of 3,500 unaccounted ballots until next week. 3,500 is the difference between the 896,000 voters on the roles and 899,500+ ballots cast. The 1,000 battered women whose identities are protected do not account for the difference.


49 posted on 12/31/2004 12:15:35 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

This election has been decided. For us to petition the D's in office for a revote is fantasy. And forming a circular firing squad in this forum is silly...and just what the D's want us to do. Let's all stop acting like Democrats after Florida/2000 and start recruiting quality candidates for the next election.


50 posted on 12/31/2004 12:40:25 PM PST by Snardius
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