Skip to comments.WA Gov. Race: Rossi Calls on Gregoire to Support Revote [FReeper activism required]
Posted on 12/29/2004 6:58:10 PM PST by Publius
Call your state legislators to urge that they call for a revote. The legislative hotline is 800-562-6000.
The following is the text of a letter sent today to Christine Gregoire from Dino Rossi:
December 29, 2004
Attorney General Christine Gregoire
1125 Washington Street
Olympia, WA 98504
Dear Attorney General Gregoire:
The Secretary of State will certify you as governor-elect tomorrow. Although you will be certified, with all the problems that have plagued this process there wont be many people in our state who believe with certainty that you actually won the election. The uncertainty surrounding this election process isnt just bad for you and me it is bad for the entire state. People need to know for sure that the next governor actually won the election.
Weve now had three counts I was certified the victor after Counts 1 and 2, and you will be certified tomorrow as the victor of Count 3. Throughout the entire process, King County Elections staff changed the rules about which ballots would count and, at the end, the Supreme Court also changed the rules. As it now stands, some people in King County had the rules changed so their votes could count, while other wrongfully disenfranchised people across the state including many members of our military have been denied the opportunity to have their votes counted.
Additionally, I dont believe youll find many people in this state who think the hand recount was more accurate than the first two counts. Even some Democratic elections officials have said hand counts are less accurate. So were now in a situation where nobody really knows who won this election.
Our next governor should enter office without any doubt about the legitimacy of his or her office. The people of Washington deserve to know that their governor was elected fair and square. Unfortunately, the events of the past few weeks now make it impossible for you or me to take office on January 12 without being shrouded in suspicion.
The law allows me to contest the election. An election contest would bring every questioned aspect of this election before the Legislature or a court for review. It would take many weeks, perhaps months, to complete. At the end, even if the results were to change back in my favor, the state would have suffered from the long, drawn-out process.
For several weeks, former Secretary of State Ralph Munro has argued that this election will never be seen as legitimate and that the best option is to put it back into the hands of the voters for a revote. If our roles were reversed, if you had won twice and I had only won in the less-accurate hand recount, I would support a revote. I would not want to enter office with so many people viewing my governorship as illegitimate.
The only good answer is for the people to decide, once and for all, who is the next governor. A revote would be the best solution for the people of our state, and would give us a legitimate governorship. If you and I were to join together and ask the Legislature to pass a bill calling for a special election, the bill would pass quickly, as soon as the 2005 session begins. The revote could be held as soon as possible.
I hope you will agree that a revote makes the most sense to build back peoples trust in our election process, and I look forward to your response.
In addition to using the legislative hotline, the state legislature website permits FReepers to find out who represents them and how to contact them via e-mail.
We need to make life tough for Democratic legislators if we're going to make this happen. I live in the 32nd, represented by 3 Democrats, and I'm going to make sure they know where I stand!
Revote! No way. That will open up a can of worms that nobody will be able to shut again. If Rossi can't dig up the votes he needs in court proceedings he loses. We need to accept that winning political races requires a majority of votes, plus a margin to overcome democratic fraud. He is behind right now because his legal team allowed King County to pull a chicago style introduction of new votes into the election.
I tend to agree. If the problem is vote fraud a revote doesn't fix it. I think a contest is exactly what is needed here. As a gambit today's move is fine, I think he knows the witch will say no. That leaves either a concession or contesting the election. A contest would force Dino to make specific charges of fraud. These should be easily made. The hand count had many problems, many of which have been documented on Free Republic. The path he is going down, of asking for details, is exactly right. If only 200 bogus voters (felons, double registereds, homeless who don't exist, non-citizens) are found the election will be thrown out.
It will also serve as a huge wake up call to those sleeping through this that there are huge problems with our voting system if an election can be stolen.
I believe a contested election is to be preferred to a revote, as it will tend to shine more light on the illegal activities of the Democrats, and hopefully lead to voting reform in Washington.
What does it take to get Vance or the Rossi campaign to listen for 15 minutes? The kid running the Rossi campaign office today is an idiot. It's frustrating to have information that will make Gregoire go away and those idiots are so short-sighted they can't see the big picture.
I'd suggest one hand of five-card draw, nothing wild.
I would imagine the first place to start is in King County. They seem to be able to come up with votes out of thin air. I know there have already been questions about the addresses of some voters being rental storage facilities. It is very much like shady registrations made up by the democratic MUSV (make-up-some-votes) effort.
So I take it that, if you were a retail business, you would just stand idly by while the shoplifters stole you blind and correct the situation by raising prices on your customers.
Do you have a clue where your brilliance would lead?
But seriously, what laws can be made that can't be evaded by evil people.
Thanks Dude, I e-mailed my district.
I didn't say retail business, but I have a question for you. Do you pay taxes, or social security taxes? If so you, like most of us, are being shoplifted everyday by your government.
I know where my brilliance leads me. Not sure where yours is leading you.
But... the only outcome of a contested election (if successful in court) is that the judge would throw out the election and force a re-vote.
Rossi's challenge merely cuts to the chase.
It pains me to agree, but I do. Revotes are not a good idea. We've had a great year, but it looks like we're going to lose this one in Washington. Let's find out where the fraud took place and hammer them on it; we win in the long run that way. Opening a revote can-o-worms could come back to haunt us in a big way. I would cringe if whining dems had revotes at their disposal as a possible "remedy" to whatever horsesh*t tin hat theories they come up with; and they come up with a lot of them.
Since when does 1 out of 3 win, anyway?
Anytime it elects a Democrat.
Revote is the only way to stop this fraud. Nothing is a threat to our democracy as robbing millions of their civil rights.
Contacted Senator & Rep by e-mail. Thank you for your post.
YES!!!....A revote is the only way because of the outright voter fraud by radical leftists in King County trying to maintain business as usual.
200 bogus voters????....My guess is a lot more than that...Especially in the Land Of Lenin...Fremont.
Either a revote or contested election.....but DO NOT go queitly into the night!....screw these damn radical leftists and their corrupt stooges in government here!...Patty Murray or Jim McDermott to name a few...
What would you have said in 2000 if Gore asked for a revote in Florida?.........
Dino WON this race - twice. He only "lost" a corrupted, inaccurate hand recount, after liberal King County "found" additional ballots NINE TIMES. Over 500 people in one precinct were listed as having the same address - and that precinct went Gregoire in a landslide.
You can't compare Dino to Gore. Dino WON.
Okay, you want a revote. Let's say the next result is back to 42 votes for Rossi. Do we get another revote for that? When does it all end? If Rossi can ask for a revote why couldn't Gore ask for a revote in Florida based on stupid democratic voters and the supposed "butterfly" ballot.
Revotes won't cure fraud. Tightening the voting laws will. In the last 10-15 years we have allowed the democrats to loosen voter laws to the point we don't know who is voting or how often. Motor Voter, voter registration through third parties, absentee ballots handled by political parties, no requirements for i.d. at polling places, provisional ballots. These are all the open doors to fraud which I am 99% sure none of the members of this board have ever had to use. If you want to fix fraud, then fix it. If you want to see endless elections year round start revoting.
Rockrr, I will grant you two things: 1) yes, my analogy was inelegant and 2) your elegance with words captures perfectly what I intended to imply but didn't take the time.
My impression of things as they stand now is that Rossi has offered Gregoire ("Fraudoire" is my preferred appellation), the shoplifter, a chance to put the stolen goods down and exit the store and return as an honest shopper. The shoplifter has refused and thus Rossi has every right to pursue justice. We'll find out on Jan. 22nd what weapon he elects to use.
You don't live in Washington, so I don't know who you mean by "we".
Maybe you don't understand. Right now, the result is so tarnished, so flawed, so corrupted, that the ONLY remedy would be to start from scratch.
You're just plain wrong.
We should really just roll over, for the sake of the country. That makes sense.
So when you revote, are you going to fix any of your ballot handling problems? Sounds like your election laws either need to be rewritten or they weren't followed in the first place.
They were changed mid-process to benefit Gregoire.
I'm not saying those things don't need to be changed - they do. I am saying that walking away from this fight would be the wrong decision. Most Washington Freepers agree with me, because we are here and have witnessed everything that has happened. We can't let them just HAVE this without a fight.
We know that one corrupt county, run by extreme liberals, is in control of the whole state - and they stole the election for their candidate. We don't want to send a message that we're all right with that.
Just like the Florida of 2000...
all Military Votes must be counted...
in the Washington of 2004.
.."For after all,
they're the ones out there...
risking their lives...
for that Right"..
...stated "ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer in a KNBC-TV Channel 4 Interview at Freerepublic.com's 'Sore-Loserman/Count the Military Votes' Demonstration held outside the Los Angeles Federal Bldg during November 2000.
Peace...(this sucks, actually).
Years ago I got on a demo mailing list because I agreed with someone on one issue -- a land conservation thing. Anyway, I used to read some of the messages and they were constantly talking about a state income tax. I think they temporarily dropped the idea while Locke was in office. It would surprise me if the idea doesn't return at the highest level.
No, I don't think so - some of that stuff is probably true, but I think the greater issue is that none of us want to accept such an obviously corrupted result. That's my biggest issue, anyway. We don't have to take this, and we shouldn't.
It's not as important for Rossi to be governor here and now as it is important for us to know the true will of the people, and the Democrats have corrupted the result. King County bungled this badly (we have witnessed what I believe to be blatant cheating), and things across the state have not been handled in an even-handed way. It's not fair to Dino, but more importantly, it's not fair to those who voted for him.
Re-vote. It's the only solution, at this point.
...Dino WON this race - twice. He only "lost" a corrupted, inaccurate hand recount, after liberal King County "found" additional ballots NINE TIMES. Over 500 people in one precinct were listed as having the same address - and that precinct went Gregoire in a landslide.
You can't compare Dino to Gore. Dino WON...
I'd have to agree. They took this election the old fashioned way. They stole it. It's a shame.
Time for Washington to clean up their election laws and process, and maybe next time this can be stopped.
Thank you Ramius...I am about to pull my hair out at the sheer ignorance I keep seeing displayed by out-of-staters on these things, over and over again. Guys, hang on to your opinion until you know the facts of the situation: In Washington a contested election does not lead to courts cherry-picking votes that go in and votes that go out...it leads to the entire election being tossed out -- and that's what a revote is. If you have a preponderance of evidence the courts here don't declare a new winner -- they toss the entire thing out and do it over.
That would be lovely...except for the small problem that the courts don't deal with contested elections in that way. When an election is contested the issue before the court is whether the evidence presented is sufficient to throw out the entire election. The courts are simply looking to see if the process was so tainted by fraud or incompetence that the result cannot be trusted. They have two choices before them: Let the election stand or throw the election out. If they throw it out, then the legislature sets the ground rules for a new election.
Maybe you can excuse us "out-of-staters" for misinterpreting the sequence of events. From the above statement made by Mr. Rossi it seemed the validity of certain ballots had been addressed in court.
Now we are at a different point in the process -- Rossi did not call for a revote until we reached this point. His call for a revote is perfectly appropriate given the point we are at now -- where a formal contest to the election is the next move. The court cannot go back and unring the bell -- they have just one decision to make in a contest of the election and that is to let it stand or throw it out and do it over.
You have taken a quote given about what happened at one stage in the process - a stage that is past - and applied it one given about the next stage in the process - a stage that has just now begun.
In that way, you are reading the quote out of context.
I believe that you are completely sincere in your repugnance to the corruption; however, I think there are those who use it as a convenient excuse and could care less about the integrity of the election process.
There's a pretty high standard, but then I don't live in Washington so how would I know.
Do you really think Rossi expected Gregoire to accept his propsal for a re-vote? He's no dummy. What he did was grease the skids for the contest - Gregoire could have avoided it by accepting the revote, but she chose otherwise. It means he likely has some very good cards in his hand.
The Chrissy strategy is to whether the storm - delay, delay, delay. I just heard on KVI that King County is helping to end: they won't get Dino the list of 3,500 unaccounted ballots until next week. 3,500 is the difference between the 896,000 voters on the roles and 899,500+ ballots cast. The 1,000 battered women whose identities are protected do not account for the difference.
This election has been decided. For us to petition the D's in office for a revote is fantasy. And forming a circular firing squad in this forum is silly...and just what the D's want us to do. Let's all stop acting like Democrats after Florida/2000 and start recruiting quality candidates for the next election.
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