Posted on 12/29/2004 8:01:46 PM PST by woodb01
New Liberal Tax Increase Strategy is morality as Americans pay more than 50%
Americans Pay RIDICULOUSLY HIGH TAX RATES! Nearly 50% total Taxation
NoDNC.com
December 30th, 2004
Radical Socialists in Public Policy and Government can never have enough of your hard earned money. There are never enough tax increases to satisfy their desire for their endless pet projects... But after the recent elections, the hard left (the rabid socialists), are trying a new tactic--, they and their media friends are trying to equate their lust for your hard earned money with the "[im]morality" of poverty.
The left has always had a fascination and a love affair with official theft in the form of taxes. They have correctly decided that their power comes from the expansion of government, and the expansion of government comes directly from diminishing your rights, both property rights (taxation) and your freedoms (regulation and oversight). Nothing seems to please lefties more than using IRS collection agents and employer forced wage withholding to take your money from you.
Before we look at the details of the fact that even the very poorest Americans pay at least a 50% total tax rate, let's look at what constitutes "poverty."
In the vast majority of the non-Western world, most FAMILIES survive on about $3,000 U.S. Dollars a year. They live on a fairly "common" monthly amount of about $250 a month (US). And that is a modest, NON-poverty wage in much of the world. In America, a modest four person family is considered in poverty at $18,810 a year. That is roughly $1,575 a month.
Let's say that we lift every American out of "poverty" so that the poorest in America then earn $50,000 a year. No matter what tax propaganda the Socialist liberals attempt to use, once the poorest in America make $50,000 a year, which will become the poverty level that will elicit shrieks for even more taxation. No matter what the liberals say, it is a cycle that never ends. If liberals sincerely had a desire to end poverty, they would give up their own money and move to third world countries with the truly poor where they could offer real help. That is what you would expect if their real goal was to help the poor. But we do not see them giving up their own comforts and contributing to the truly less fortunate. Instead, liberals routinely call for taking more money from America's hard working families and giving it away to their pet government expansion programs.
Americans are already taxed too much, in America, even the poorest live with around a 50% total taxation rate --, a fact most Americans never realize.
Federal Tax
Lowest tax rate 15%
Social Security, 7.15%
Employer MATCHED contribution (which NEVER shows on your check) another 7.15%
Remaining FICA / Medicare 4-5%
Direct Federal Tax alone is at least 33% for the poorest workers...
State Tax, Sales Tax, Utilities, and Services
State Tax for the majority of states, about 5 - 7% of overall income (and for those states without a State tax, expect higher sales and property taxes)
Add in the sales tax that everyone pays at the grocery store and for any other purchases, another 5 - 10% depending on the state (median 7.5%)
Fuel taxes at the gas pump are about 20%+ in most states (some as high as 40%)
Rent Tax or Property tax, another 5+% of your income.
Taxes on Utilities and services: electric or natural gas, phone, cable, cell, water, sewer, trash, etc., etc., etc.
The various Car Taxes (by LOTS of different names) "emissions testing," registration or tag and license fees.
Hidden Consumption Tax
Then there is the BUILT-IN taxes that is in the cost of EVERY good or service you buy that you are never DIRECTLY charged, but add to the price you pay at the store BECAUSE the Manufacturer has to pay taxes on their income, their suppliers pay taxes on their income, and the distributors and retailers pay taxes on their income. That is all added into the cost of the products and services we buy INDIRECTLY...
And I am certain that I have missed many things here.
So, as you can see, taxation in the neighborhood of OVER 50% for even the absolutely LOWEST tax bracket Americans is a complete reality.
The next time you hear a bleeding heart liberal tell you about taxes, tell them to put their money where their mouth is and for them to overpay the IRS and not get a refund. Tell them to leave you alone and stop being hypocrites. They need to set the example by giving their own money away first, once they stop being the hypocrites they are, by giving up what they have, then I'll think about it.
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=271
What confuses me is: How can the dems be so worried about the poverty-stricken, but also be FOR amnesty for illegal immigrants? Aren't the illegals taking all of the jobs from the poor people so they can't earn any money to get out of poverty?
Don't get it!!!
They also hate tax cuts---don't they want poor people to have their taxes cut so they can make it out of poverty faster?
Don't get it!!!
In Texas, Carlos Uresti (D), San Antonio is proposing a one dollar a pack tax on cigarettes to fund reforms in the State's Child Protective Services agency.
I do smoke cigarettes, and find it ridiculous, that my fellow smokers and I are expected to fund the revamp of an entire state agency.
They'd have to make nearly $40,000 before they had a Federal Income Tax liability, thanks to Earned Income and Additional Child Tax Credits.
Also see the "SOCIALISM ISN'T CHRISTIANITY" thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1309831/posts
It makes sense when you realize that they really don't want to eliminate poverty.
They would be out of a job if poverty is reduced.
They encourage a dependency that they satisfy with taxpayer dollars.
How many trillions of dollars have gone to public assistance over the years? What is the net return? Don't have any stats here. But, I bet it isn't good. '90s welfare reform helped.
Prior to the sixties, people were expected to work. It was believed that a person wouldn't be happy if he/she didn't work for what he/she earned. It was "morally" unacceptable to sponge off of the government. Even the Democrats believed in a hard day's work.
I pity these people if times do get rough. They won't survive.
I believe this is an example of why socialism isn't good. Socialism, in the above definition, creates apathy and lack of motivation.
Actually, they've got our home-grown poor right where they want them, idle and on the dole, and voting 'Rat every time, just as a "dependent class" would. They can't get rid of ALL unemployment comp and welfare, or red tape and paperwork for live-in servants, or these folks would actually have to go and take the menial jobs the immigrants are now the only ones willing to do.
Loose lips sink ships wrote:
How many trillions of dollars have gone to public assistance over the years? What is the net return? Don't have any stats here. But, I bet it isn't good. '90s welfare reform helped.
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I don't recall the source, and it has been some time ago, but there was some research a few years back that showed that the "war on poverty" over the last 30 years amounted to just slightly more than the entire National Debt. I believe this research was done, and then quietly dismissed when the debt was around 5.5 or 6 Trillion dollars.
OOOppps, should have been
dhs12345 wrote...
Poverty is a mental disorder (so sayeth Neal Boortz). People who live in poverty, absent some catastrophic injury or illness pretty much are getting what they deserve and have earned. They refuse education, job skills enhancement, and proper decision making. Along comes the DNC and the NAACP to whine about race and "the less fortunate." As Neal Boortz also says, they should be called the "more irresponsible."
If they're trying to 'guilt' us into paying more taxes, they can save their breath. Conservatives are very generous people to the charities they prefer. They do not, however, consider it 'generosity' to feed more money into a bloated governmental system that gets one third of our tax dollar to the people who actually need it, when they can give directly to those in need, or at least with only one layer between the recipient of the money and the needy.
Whatever moral authority there is for helping the poor vanishes when they try to move to putting the middle class on the dole because they have found out that the poor don't vote. A big part of the problem of huge deficits in Social Security and Medicare come from extending them to people who do not need them for political purposes.
How about over their dead and rotting bodies, will I ever subcome to their tax increase!
One reference might be this one: http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=20 -- which, when it came out in 1997, the $5.4 Trillion it referred to was exactly the same as what the National Debt Clock ( at http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ) said the national debt was at the time.
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Thank God for taxes, without them my daughter would spend me out of house and home.
Show me how.
Oh, you haven't been sold yet? Tax cuts are ONLY, ONLY for the rich...
President Bush said as much in his radio address, broadcast on Foxnews on TV yesterday afternoon and I loved listening President Bush state it.
LOL! I didn't know that! GMTA and all that! ;o)
I think President Bush is getting tired of being demonized by the mainstream (socialist) media at every turn.
Yeah, I've noticed a subtle change in his demeanor. It's like he's going to use that mandate in more ways than just to get his legislation through Congress. GOOD! I'm glad to see him push back. Of course the media will yell even louder, "SEE! We told you he was divisive!"
I'm lovin it! They haven't even SEEN divisive, yet!
One reference might be this one: http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=20 -- which, when it came out in 1997, the $5.4 Trillion it referred to was exactly the same as what the National Debt Clock ( at http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ) said the national debt was at the time.
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This is good, but I vaguely recall that there was actually a more formal study done and compiled to show the amount of money spent on the "war on poverty"... I think that might have even been how it was phrased. I might do a search on that term to see if it turns up anything...
Thanks though for the link...
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