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Bush 'Undermining UN with Aid Coalition'
scotsman.com ^ | 30/12/04 | Jamie Lyons

Posted on 12/30/2004 10:19:28 AM PST by flitton

United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.

The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world’s response.

But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.

“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,” she said.

“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM programme.

“It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.”

Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on responding to international disasters.

She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone” and India had its own problems to deal with.

“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aid; australia; boohoo; corruption; corruptun; crookedun; crymeatsunami; foodforoil; humanitrianrelief; india; japan; shaddup; sumatraquake; un
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Clare Short formerly a (Labour) minister in charge of international aid offers her view.
1 posted on 12/30/2004 10:19:29 AM PST by flitton
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To: flitton

We have invited the UN to join the coalition.


2 posted on 12/30/2004 10:20:32 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: flitton

I wouldn't trust Kofi and his racketeers with a jr. high bake sale much less with a billion dollars in relief funds.


3 posted on 12/30/2004 10:20:54 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: flitton
Bush 'Undermining UN..." I like the sound of that!
4 posted on 12/30/2004 10:21:09 AM PST by knittnmom
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To: flitton
It is the only body that has the moral authority

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

STAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHP! YERKILLINME!

5 posted on 12/30/2004 10:21:30 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: flitton
Unbelievable. We need to suspend payments to the UN again. Kofi and his Klowns have been begging to be cutoff. I wish Jesse Helms was still the Foreign Affairs chairman - he'd put the Klowns in their place.
6 posted on 12/30/2004 10:22:18 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: flitton

Let the UN bitch about not getting their skim off the top.

Forge ahead W, let the world know that the UN ain't needed no-more!


7 posted on 12/30/2004 10:22:32 AM PST by aShepard
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To: flitton

Kofi Annan is on C-Span live right now. The UN is going to have another meeting next week.

That's right.

5 million homeless people without food or water and the UN is going to have a meeting.

And they have yet to mention air drops to get food and water to these people.

And they have the nerve, the gall, to say the president is undermining them?


8 posted on 12/30/2004 10:22:45 AM PST by Peach
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To: flitton
The US could not wait for Annan to visit with the EU before addressing the immediate, tragic needs of suffering people.
9 posted on 12/30/2004 10:22:51 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: flitton

Hey Clare...STFU plz.


10 posted on 12/30/2004 10:23:23 AM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: flitton

What the Un is really sore about is that it will now be very hard to devert money to numbered Swiss accounts this way.


11 posted on 12/30/2004 10:23:41 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: flitton

***“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM programme.***

I suppose she also believes that only really the UN could disarm Saddam? And where does she get off saying the US has a poor record of coordinating relief efforts? Just because we aren't as good at siphoning funds into our pockets as Coffee Anon?


12 posted on 12/30/2004 10:24:17 AM PST by Zeppelin (If builders built the way programmers program, the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.)
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To: flitton

It's obvious the U.N. is incapable of doing humanitarian work, in fact, I wonder if it is capable of anything?


13 posted on 12/30/2004 10:24:28 AM PST by marvlus
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To: flitton
“It is the only body that has the moral authority...."

To...............give oil for food? Food for oil?

Cash to th UN?

14 posted on 12/30/2004 10:24:31 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: flitton
She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone"
Yeah, and UN is very, very good at coordinating with others...like Saddam Hussein.
15 posted on 12/30/2004 10:24:49 AM PST by KJC1
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To: flitton
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,” she said.

Right now the best system I have got for flying is my car. It sucks for the job, but it is the best system I've got. If I decide to fly, I will not build up my car, I will buy an airplane.

Shalom.

16 posted on 12/30/2004 10:25:31 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: MEG33
We have invited the UN to join the coalition.

Will the UN demand a 2.2% cut right off the top along with all they can steal as they did in the UN Oil for Food Scam?

17 posted on 12/30/2004 10:25:45 AM PST by RJL
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To: MEG33

Perhaps the problem is that there is a fear that the US, Japan, Australia and India will prove more efficient if the areas are divided up. Ther is no reason that would necessarily have to be so if the UN is as good as is claimed. However few would bet on it.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 10:25:55 AM PST by flitton (Happy New Year)
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To: flitton
“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.

Seems as though Ms. Short has a good understanding of the totally obvious.

19 posted on 12/30/2004 10:26:58 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: flitton

Never fear, the UN won't get cut out. Powell just announced it is being added to the coalition.

Powell can't be replaced soon enough, IMHO.


20 posted on 12/30/2004 10:27:31 AM PST by livius
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To: flitton
"It is the only body that has the moral authority."

I love when people simply and flatly declare falsehoods like this. It makes you suddenly understand the twisted result of what happens when fallen human nature is crossed with false ideologies..

21 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:00 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: flitton

Only the U.N. could take money meant for food and medicinces and divert it into their private bank accounts. Only the U.N. could call Americans "stingy" in the middle of a crisis when we are among most generous in world. Only the U.S. (and our allies) can be depended upon to liberate millions of oppressed peoples.

WTG Mr. President!! He knows damn well where that money would end up, and bypassed them to help the people directly with like minded nations interested in helping these people rather than letting them die.


22 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:03 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Peach
"5 million homeless people without food or water and the UN is going to have a meeting."

First things first, right?

It's hard to think about disasters without first filling the belly with caviar and hor d'oerves, and washing it down with a bit of Champagne....

Then there's the blunt matter of who gets what "cut." Swiss bank are waiting, you know...

23 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:14 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: KJC1

The UN needs the cash. They've gotten used to certain lifestyle ripping off the oil-for-food program and it would be unfair to deprive them of that just because it was illegal.


24 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:20 AM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: flitton

Our "assets" are being asked for to set up temporary housing for workers/medical workers..It makes a lot of sense Mr Egeland says that the US took the lead in this...(stingy though we may be)?


25 posted on 12/30/2004 10:28:44 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: flitton
Three words: Oil For Food.

That was a relief effort, too, I believe. Food out of the mouths of babies...there is no depth to which the UN will not sink.

26 posted on 12/30/2004 10:29:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: F16Fighter

Exactly. One for the victims, one for the UN. Etc.


27 posted on 12/30/2004 10:29:11 AM PST by Peach
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To: livius

The UN is irrelevant.


28 posted on 12/30/2004 10:29:27 AM PST by lwoodham
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To: flitton
I love the subtle craftiness of this administration. Bush said the UN was in danger of becoming irrelevant when the Iraq resolutions were yet to be enforced.

He is doing exactly that - marking them for irrelevance in his own way. Khofi meets next week to discuss how the UN WILL help in this tragedy. The US is already doing it.
29 posted on 12/30/2004 10:29:49 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Peach

It takes a while to gather together the right refreshments for a top level meeeting you know. /sarcasm/


30 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:23 AM PST by flitton (Happy New Year)
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To: livius

Didn't hear that. I agree.


31 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:26 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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[The UN]. . .It is the only body that has the moral authority.

EXCUSE ME?!!! THE ONLY BODY WITH THE MORAL AUTHORITY? I am at a loss for words hearing the crap streaming from the UN today.

32 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:27 AM PST by misharu (I've been here a while . . .you just haven't noticed me.)
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To: Peach

"5 million homeless people without food or water and the UN is going to have a meeting."

The US is sending ships, capable of generating 90,000 gallons of drinking water, per day.

Somewhere between 5 and 10 such ships. They are sailing to the area, at present.

But the UN will meet next week, to discuss France's $138,000 contribution, and to criticize the US.


33 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:47 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: flitton
“It is the only body that has the moral authority

Yeah Claire, it's not about effectivly helping the people in need--It's all about claiming the moral authority to say you will help those people. A$$.

34 posted on 12/30/2004 10:31:00 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: flitton
Bush 'Undermining UN with Aid Coalition'

GOOD!

35 posted on 12/30/2004 10:31:03 AM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: truth_seeker

Yup. We've also sent forensic scientists to help identify the dead. Those people will be transported, housed, and paid a salary. Equipment donated. Millions right there.


36 posted on 12/30/2004 10:32:18 AM PST by Peach
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To: flitton

I love Bush


37 posted on 12/30/2004 10:32:40 AM PST by Porterville (Liberal babyboomers... creating hoops for professionals, to protect their unqualified positions)
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To: The Old Hoosier
"It (the UN) is the only body that has the moral authority."

This statement is patently absurd. The UN has no moral authority whatsoever.
38 posted on 12/30/2004 10:32:54 AM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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To: flitton

Ms. Clare, One prairie dog could undermine the U.N.!


39 posted on 12/30/2004 10:33:05 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (And McCain's opinion is important because....? ><BCC>)
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To: flitton
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN"

I understand why they are so upset after I seen how they robbed the oil-for-food program....

40 posted on 12/30/2004 10:33:22 AM PST by Always Right
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To: flitton

President Bush would actually like to see the money and aid GET to the victims instead of lining the pockets of the UN. How dare he!


41 posted on 12/30/2004 10:34:20 AM PST by imskylark
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To: CaptRon
It is the only body that has the moral authority

Did she say it with a straight face?

42 posted on 12/30/2004 10:34:20 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: flitton

"It is the only body that has the moral authority."

The only good thing that may come out of this horrible disaster is that the UN may self-destruct. We need to help this process by demanding that our representatives initiate action to stop funding the UN, withdraw from the UN and throw them out of the country.


43 posted on 12/30/2004 10:35:10 AM PST by ArmedNReady (Islam, the cancer on humanity...)
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To: flitton

Ah, yes, that big thinker, Clare Short. This entire mess would be funny were it not so tragic. They reveal what they are every time they open their mouths and stick their feet inside.


44 posted on 12/30/2004 10:35:44 AM PST by hershey
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To: flitton

"I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up," she said.

I'm actually thinking that the fact that we are already getting aid to these people while the UN is planning a meeting next week to discuss how to go about getting aid to these people might lead one to conclude that UN might not actually be the best system for this type of thing.

That's just me of course.

(These people have some unbelievable nerve to say sh#t like that)


45 posted on 12/30/2004 10:38:09 AM PST by wolf24
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To: Peach

Kofi is desperate. The train is leaving the station without him. They're irrelevant, which the entire world should be able to see...except for the likes of Clare Short.


46 posted on 12/30/2004 10:38:11 AM PST by hershey
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To: flitton
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,” she said.

Hmm, sounds a lot like the logic used for Public Schools sucking up more money vs. efficient self-choice of vouchers.
47 posted on 12/30/2004 10:38:13 AM PST by time4good
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To: flitton

Undermining the UN.......I should hope so!!!


48 posted on 12/30/2004 10:38:46 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: flitton

“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN..."
Why, yes it is...how perceptive of you.

"...when it is the best system we have got..." Well, thats a laugh line, right?


"... and the one that needs building up,” she said." No, it needs to be scrapped, destroyed and scuttled.


49 posted on 12/30/2004 10:40:14 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: flitton
Kofi is going to the emergency UN Aid HQ at Credit Suisse. Please send all donations to him there in unmarked, non-sequential bills.
50 posted on 12/30/2004 10:40:24 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In a just world, Arafat would have died at the end of a rope.)
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