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Doubts linger as Gregoire win certified (3500 more ballots than voters)
Seattle Times ^ | 12/31/04 | David Postman

Posted on 12/31/2004 12:53:58 AM PST by 4woodenboats

"This is exactly the kind of issue that I think can be brought up in the contested-election statutes," Reed said.

But why did he certify the election if the numbers are in doubt?

"What I signed was a certification for the numbers that were submitted to us by the counties," he said. "I am not in a judicial or an investigative role here."

The latest questions about King County came after the elections office released on Wednesday a list of all registered voters in the county, broken down by those who voted and those who didn't. The Republican Party, among other groups, had requested the information as part of its investigation of voting irregularities.

Conservative blogger Stefan Sharkansky pointed out the discrepancy Wednesday, and by yesterday it was Topic A among Rossi backers and Republican Party officials.

Party Chairman Chris Vance said it could be the "smoking gun" needed to overturn the election.

The number of King County ballots counted in the final tally was 899,199 — 3,539 more than the number of participating voters reported in the county's list

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I talked to the SOS office early evening 12/30. They said they certified the number that was currently on the SOS website, 876,452. We now have a certified election in which one county has a moving total after the certification.
1 posted on 12/31/2004 12:53:59 AM PST by 4woodenboats
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To: 4woodenboats

Thanks...


2 posted on 12/31/2004 1:03:10 AM PST by Josef1235
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To: 4woodenboats

Good find!

Now what?

(But the democratic national press corpse will, of course, ignore it.)

The demo won, right? Nuf said. That's all they want.


3 posted on 12/31/2004 1:03:17 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: 4woodenboats
I can't believe how blatant the dims are in their vote fraud the last three elections. They cheat big time and rob elections, all the while accusing us of what they are really doing. What really gets me is so many idiot voters have no idea what is happening.

Nam Vet

4 posted on 12/31/2004 1:10:47 AM PST by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: 4woodenboats
Republican or Democrat on top -- counting votes differently in different counties in different manners in a recount of votes already counted just is a dumb idea.

I don't expect the Democrats to see any reason on this matter, but I do hope that the legislature of Washington fixes this mess. And I hope that other states get off their collective rumps and make it ironclad in nailing down recount procedures.
5 posted on 12/31/2004 1:41:15 AM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: 4woodenboats; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...

Private list.


6 posted on 12/31/2004 1:43:10 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
"Now what?"

RCW 29A.68.020
Commencement by registered voter -- Causes for.
Any registered voter may contest the right of any person declared elected to an office to be issued a certificate of election for any of the following causes:

  • (1) For misconduct on the part of any member of any precinct election board involved therein.

  • (5) On account of illegal votes.
    (a) Illegal votes include but are not limited to the following:

    (i) More than one vote cast by a single voter;

    (ii) A vote cast by a person disqualified under Article VI, section 3 of the state Constitution.

    (b) Illegal votes do not include votes cast by improperly registered voters who were not properly challenged under RCW 29A.08.810 and 29A.08.820.

All election contests must proceed under RCW 29A.68.010.

7 posted on 12/31/2004 1:44:02 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: 4woodenboats
Wonder if they'll make the American people take this all the way to the Supreme Court, just to get a fair election in the state of WA.

Anyone think, that like the Nazi Party in Germany, that the Dem Party in America should be outlawed? Or am I not taking the 'long historical view'?

8 posted on 12/31/2004 1:48:16 AM PST by sevry
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To: 4woodenboats
"What I signed was a certification for the numbers that were submitted to us by the counties," he said. "I am not in a judicial or an investigative role here."

I am a rubber stamp.

-PJ

9 posted on 12/31/2004 1:51:46 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: sevry

And Where's Ole Jimmy Carter when you need him ? haha.. The Vote certification guy himself...


10 posted on 12/31/2004 1:52:02 AM PST by GoldenOrchid
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To: 4woodenboats
"The number of King County ballots counted in the final tally was 899,199 — 3,539 more than the number of participating voters reported in the county's list."

"I talked to the SOS office early evening 12/30. They said they certified the number that was currently on the SOS website, 876,452. We now have a certified election in which one county has a moving total after the certification."

Prima facie fraud = Smoking gun = Re-vote.

Thank you for posting this.

11 posted on 12/31/2004 1:57:42 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

We have to stop referring to them as "Democrats." They are Socialists, as more and more Americans are realizing every day.


12 posted on 12/31/2004 1:57:47 AM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: JennysCool

call them Communists, that's what they are, they and their ACLU buddies.


13 posted on 12/31/2004 2:07:32 AM PST by William of Orange (I'm John Kerry and I approve this message. No I don't. Yes I do. No I don't. Yes I do. Maybe, not.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


14 posted on 12/31/2004 3:09:23 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 4woodenboats

"Black Sheep": life imitating art


15 posted on 12/31/2004 3:31:52 AM PST by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: 4woodenboats

BTTT


16 posted on 12/31/2004 3:36:24 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: 4woodenboats

Since you are from Washington, you've probably already heard this, but just in case: Yesterday, the gent subbing for Ruch mentioned that thousands of voters had registered with the exact same address (a county government building) with hundreds listing the same apartment number (which was an office in the building). Not being familiar with your state, I can't recall the area he mentioned other than the fact he described it as low income.

Unbelievable!


17 posted on 12/31/2004 3:40:56 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla

I'd like to hear more about the address fraud. What in the world is going on in Washington state?


18 posted on 12/31/2004 4:00:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: 4woodenboats

...."Party Chairman Chris Vance said it could be the "smoking gun" needed to overturn the election.
The number of King County ballots counted in the final tally was 899,199 — 3,539 more than the number of participating voters reported in the county's list"....Yeah...smells like dead salmon in Elliot Bay to me....


19 posted on 12/31/2004 4:21:47 AM PST by Route101
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To: BenLurkin
Apparently that cold medicine I was taking yesterday made me a bit prone to exaggerate. ;-) The numbers are in the hundreds rather than thousands, but could still have effected the election outcome. I found this:

Washington Recount Follies

As we heard this morning, it appears King (Ukraine) County found enough votes to hand the Governship to Christine Gregoire. To pad her lead, the Wahsington State Supreme Court has also decied the ballots “found” in various places throughout King (Ukraine) County should be counted. From The Seattle Times.

The state Supreme Court ruled today that King County should count hundreds of recently discovered ballots in the hand recount of the still-undecided governor’s race.

The ballots from the Democratic stronghold of King County could put Democrat Christine Gregoire over the top. Republican Dino Rossi won the first count by 261 votes and won a machine recount by 42 votes.

Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics, who has done a great job covering the Washington re-recount, has done some investigating in a single precinct in Seattle.
Precinct 1823 has 763 registered “Active” voters. 527 of them list as their residence address 500 4th Ave – the King County Administration Building. 241 of these voters specifically note their apartment number as #553, which is the room number of the … King Ukraine County Records and Elections office.

Over 300 of these alleged “voters” give 500 4th Ave. (with or without the Elections office room number) as both their residence and mailing addresses. Several of the other Elections Office residents give overseas mailing addresses, such as Anuj Rathi of Mumbai, India, Rayko Suzuki of Tokyo, Japan, and Pascal Engi of Bern, Switzerland.

He posted an update to this rather odd occurence later in the post.
Elections Superintendent Bill Huennekens explained that the residents of the Elections office are “homeless individuals", and that there is a special section of the administrative code which allows for that. He sees nothing unusual in the fact that some of these so-called homeless individuals also give mailing addresses elsewhere. I asked him what the county did to verify the identities of individuals who list the elections office as their residence and he said that they can’t be treated any differently from anybody else. I take that to mean, that anybody on the planet who wants to vote (or vote again) can simply claim to be a resident of the King County Elections office.
Do you hear that people? If you want to cast more than one vote, you can just register in your local district as a homeless person, especially if you live in a Democratic district. Chances are they won’t check you out.

Well we have just witnessed an election literally stolen by the Democratic party. No point in whining about it. What the Republicans have to realize is for now on, the Democratic party will do anything to win an election when they can’t win it at the ballot box on the actual Election Day. The Republicans better recognize this and take it into account in future elections.

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20 posted on 12/31/2004 4:24:07 AM PST by Quilla
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To: 4woodenboats

I hope the state has a recall/impeachment provision. She campaigned like a crook. Bet she governs like one, too.


21 posted on 12/31/2004 4:24:41 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: 4woodenboats

3,500 more votes than registered voters, assuming 100% of registered voters actually voted. Since it is certain that fewer than 100% of registered voters actually voted, it is reasonable to think that tens of thousands of fake votes may have been manufactured. How else can it be explained?


22 posted on 12/31/2004 4:29:28 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: 4woodenboats

To hell with overturning the election , Gregoire and her consorts need to go to jail.


23 posted on 12/31/2004 4:29:31 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Quilla
"Over 300 of these alleged “voters” give 500 4th Ave. (with or without the Elections office room number) as both their residence and mailing addresses. Elections Superintendent Bill Huennekens explained that the residents of the Elections office are “homeless individuals" . . . "

Classic democrat fraud. Drag a wino in of the streets and buy a vote for a carton of cigarettes.

24 posted on 12/31/2004 4:32:53 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: 4woodenboats

"moving total after the certification"

And some will need to move fast to observe how these numbers are being reconciled.

I will bet with certainty that as I type on this keyboard that someone else is reconciling these lists and that they are doing it to cover a criminal fraud.

The lawyers for the Rossi campaign need to file for an ex parte motion for a court master to seize and hold election records pending an official investigation.

And they must be damned quick about it.

They must also quickly identify King County workers that are involved in the maintenance of these lists and prepare legal depositions for these workers.

Rossi lawyers need to move fast.


25 posted on 12/31/2004 4:35:06 AM PST by Hostage
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To: 4woodenboats
"Reed, a Republican, said the election was fair. He said there were serious errors during the initial count and two recounts, but that the system worked well and those problems were fixed. "I do not feel that this is a botched election," he said

If that's your response Reed all I have to say is you better update your resume. Your main task is to see to fair elections. If this is the best you can do, I want you OUT.

26 posted on 12/31/2004 4:35:45 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: Hostage

I'm sure you're right. I also hope that Rossi's people move quickly.


27 posted on 12/31/2004 4:37:36 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: Klickitat
Rossi said his campaign asked for the list almost a month ago and the county had plenty of time to update its records. "You shouldn't be able to certify an election with 3,500 mystery votes," he said.
28 posted on 12/31/2004 4:42:27 AM PST by Klickitat
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To: StAnDeliver

(b) Illegal votes do not include votes cast by improperly registered voters who were not properly challenged under RCW 29A.08.810 and 29A.08.820.




Is this for real?

So voters that are not properly registered and are not properly 'challenged' are not considered illegal voters?

Maybe there is a good legal basis for such rules but I can see none.

This may yet be another case of RCW statutes that are written by liberals to protect themselves and their power.


29 posted on 12/31/2004 4:43:40 AM PST by Hostage
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To: 4woodenboats
Site Meter

More votes than voters...is the Ukraine great or what?
Sharper Minds Daily...
30 posted on 12/31/2004 4:51:05 AM PST by KMC1
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To: Klickitat

Exactly!....Hit the road Reed!.....


31 posted on 12/31/2004 4:52:22 AM PST by Route101
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To: 4woodenboats

"We believe in your activity, responsibility and caring, candidate!"
32 posted on 12/31/2004 4:59:07 AM PST by Gritty ("After being losers for thirty years, are we just too timid and polite to be winners?"-Gary Aldrich)
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To: Nam Vet
Some people really want to believe a lie rather than admit that they may have the wrong idea. It's all about hatred. I lost someone I considered a good friend because of Bush winning the election. He was sending me political e-mails as long as he thought Kerry was going to win. When Kerry lost, he asked me not to e-mail him anymore because he had no time to answer them. In 4 yrs I sent this man maybe 6 e-mails which was not political. I still see him but it is different. It's all about them.
33 posted on 12/31/2004 5:01:23 AM PST by onegwh000
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To: BenLurkin
Classic democrat fraud. Drag a wino in of the streets and buy a vote for a carton of cigarettes.

And if you can do it once, give him a different name and do it again. Classic reason Alabama requires photo ID when registering and a photo ID if casting a provisional ballot. So were each of these "homelsee" photo ID'd when they were registered at an office address?

34 posted on 12/31/2004 5:09:07 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: 4woodenboats
For some reason Huey Long, Joe Kennedy and Richard Daley just popped into my mind.

5.56mm

35 posted on 12/31/2004 5:13:17 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: JennysCool

Also, please note that the NAZI's in Germany were socialists too!


36 posted on 12/31/2004 5:26:33 AM PST by stockpirate (Check out my homepage and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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To: onegwh000
I had the same situation. My best man from my wedding. I live in Tx. and he lives in Wa. I talked to this guy 3 or 4 times a month, even convinced him to vote for the first time ever. I found out a couple of weeks before the election he was backing Kerry. The guy mocked me over the phone and I had not heard from him since that day, until I called him to wish him a Merry Christmas. I won't call again, I just consider him a lost friend, but I have many, he does not.
37 posted on 12/31/2004 5:27:07 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Quilla
hundreds listing the same apartment number (which was an office in the building

I had heard on Fox there were 500 voters with the same address which was a gov't office building. When asked to explain, this was the homeless voters.

38 posted on 12/31/2004 5:36:16 AM PST by Alissa
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To: Quilla

Yes I heard that being discussed on the radio last night. Simply amazing...just simply amazing...they CERTAINLY don't want to count the oversea votes from our military men and women overseas but knock themselves out to count the vote of a "phantom" homeless person...this is BEYOND an insult to law abiding American citizens.


39 posted on 12/31/2004 6:17:44 AM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Alissa

HMMM I beginning to believe a national ID card IS the way to go...and WITH a fingerprint...this is so damn discouraging!


40 posted on 12/31/2004 6:18:58 AM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: GoldenOrchid

"Ahhh see no pwoblem wit the vote in Washington State. It is much more accurate than Florida or Ohio." Jimmah


41 posted on 12/31/2004 6:19:30 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: JennysCool

National Socialist is even more fitting
And if they come back to power expect them to be just as much
Barbarian


42 posted on 12/31/2004 6:25:53 AM PST by 1903A3
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To: 4woodenboats

The media here in Chicago reporting that Gregoire has a mandate to govern. Yet they report on how Bush has no mandate because he couldn't win IL. LOL!


45 posted on 12/31/2004 7:22:34 AM PST by Kuksool (Fro Dino Rossi, Seattle is the scene of the crime)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
3,500 more votes than registered voters

It's not more votes than registered voters. It's a discrepancy between the number of votes counted and the number of names on a separate list of those who voted.

46 posted on 12/31/2004 7:26:52 AM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: Nam Vet
They cheat big time and rob elections, all the while accusing us of what they are really doing.

And they'll continue to do so until one or more of them are punished for it. I've said it many times before, but this seems a perfect time to say again that the last four years should have been used to clean up elections in this country, and that includes prosecution of the thugs behind all this chicanery. But the GOP steadily shirks its duty to do this because they're so afraid of being called partisan. The net effect is that Democrats can do anything they darn well please and get away with it, and they know it.

MM

47 posted on 12/31/2004 7:31:17 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

MSM has its work cut out - to bury and minimize this story.


48 posted on 12/31/2004 7:33:45 AM PST by Swanks
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To: JennysCool

But as they wear the "Democrat" label, many voters think they are for the "little guys." They see them as two- generation descendants of the sainted FDR.


49 posted on 12/31/2004 7:36:51 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: 4woodenboats
This is an outrage. The f--king Democrats are a bunch of crooks and I can't believe more people don't see that. How does one hand recount invalidate two machine recounts???

If Gregoire becomes governor, I certainly hope that it spells the end of the Democratic party in WA.

50 posted on 12/31/2004 7:38:28 AM PST by RockinRight (Let's start now-Mark Sanford for President in 2008!)
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