Posted on 01/01/2005 1:14:36 AM PST by DBeers
COLORADO SPRINGS - James C. Dobson, the nation's most influential evangelical leader, is threatening to put six potentially vulnerable Democratic senators "in the 'bull's-eye' " if they block conservative appointments to the Supreme Court.
In a letter his aides say is being sent to more than one million of his supporters, Dr. Dobson, the child psychologist and founder of the evangelical organization Focus on the Family, promises "a battle of enormous proportions from sea to shining sea" if President Bush fails to appoint "strict constructionist" jurists or if Democrats filibuster to block conservative nominees.
Dr. Dobson recalled the conservative efforts that helped in the November defeat of Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota, the Senate minority leader who led Democrats in using the filibuster to block 10 of Mr. Bush's judicial nominees.
"Let his colleagues beware," Dr. Dobson warned, "especially those representing 'red' states. Many of them will be in the 'bull's-eye' the next time they seek re-election."
He singled out Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Dayton of Minnesota, Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and Bill Nelson of Florida. All six are up for re-election in 2006.
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Ralph G. Neas, president of the liberal group People for the American Way, which has often opposed conservative court nominees, said, "Mr. Dobson's arrogance knows no limits." He added: "This is the kind of tactic that ultimately backfires. These senators have served their constituents well and have courageously voted their consciences. I don't think they will take kindly to threats from Mr. Dobson, and I don't think the voters will either."
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Ben Nelson, IMO, is not worth going after because he is already persuadable on most issues. Conrad and Byrd are not vulnerable because their constituents are too addicted to pork. The other three on Dobson's list, however, are beatable, especially dumb-as-a-brick Dayton.
what exactly has he been doing with it for the last few years?
Bryd might be surprised how many West Virginians are pro-family and prepared to vote him down. My bet is that Dobson could get 60 percent of the over-40 crowd to jump on his band wagon. Might add an unusual ingredient into the Washington scene.
I agree. I do believe Mr.Byrd would be history and I can't say that I would want to see his history repeated.
Tell it to Daschle, Mr. Neas.
Folks, we target these Libs (whether Democrat or RINO) regardless of the SCOTUS outcome. Clean house from top to bottom, Senate and CIA, every Governator's mansion, every SCHOOL BOARD member has got to have the Constitution held like a gun to their head. If that doesn't work, we must get judges in office that will UPHOLD the Constitutional rope to the neck. Don't trust a one of 'em! Even our "good guys" in office...lest they be corrupted, or forget... Accountability! Accountability! Accountability!
One sure-fire strategy is to get the targeted Dim on-record as to his views on The Passion of The Christ movie. If he says he admires the movie, he alienates Christian-hating secular voters who makeup the Dim base. If the calculating Dim sucks up to the secularists and says he hates the movie, he can kiss his seat goodbye. Either way, the Dumbocrat loses.
It would be more effective for Mr. Dobson to be all action and no talk, rather than the opposite. Issuing threats is going to rile a lot of moderate voters.
snip..."Mr. Dobson's arrogance knows no limits." He added: "This is the kind of tactic that ultimately
Mr. Dobson's arrogance?!?! I would say that Mr. Dobson and the rest of the Conserversative coalition have been entirely too accomodating up until recently. Arrogance, Mr. Neas, is characterized by hateful, cultural socialists like yourself who've been determinedly eradicating Americas' traditional culture, erasing Christmas, demanding removal of all Christian symbols from the public arena,and supporting communistic speech code laws to be used against primarily against Conservatives. That is arrogance Mr. 'I Hate God' Neas.
Yes - now is not the time to hold back -complete devastation of democrats is required...
Ok, but his threats aren't very helpful. They will accomplish nothing except alienate people who otherwise might be persuaded by him. People don't like threats. He should stick to actually doing what he claims he can do.
In the case of Markie Dayton these two things are mutually exclusive.
What a joke. These senators are the poster children for injuring the remainder of the country by bringing pork barrel projects to their states. They deserve to be defeated.
Especially former klansman KKK Byrd.
Minorities are absolutely NUTS to support this man.
Folks, we target these Libs (whether Democrat or RINO) regardless of the SCOTUS outcome. Clean house from top to bottom, Senate and CIA, every Governator's mansion, every SCHOOL BOARD member has got to have the Constitution held like a gun to their head. If that doesn't work, we must get judges in office that will UPHOLD the Constitutional rope to the neck. Don't trust a one of 'em! Even our "good guys" in office...lest they be corrupted, or forget... Accountability! Accountability! Accountability!
What a rant. Seriously, it's a bit long for a slogan but lets use it anyhow.
"One sure-fire strategy is to get the targeted Dim on-record as to his views on The Passion of The Christ movie."
Liz--I LOVE the way you think. Let the interviews begin!
"What a rant. It's a bit long for a slogan but lets use it anyhow."
You honor me, yet I but stand on the shoulders of giants....
Yup, The Passion strategy is a winner, alright.
(Blush) Thanks for the affirmation.
This statement correctly describes the total frustation the lib Dems are experiencing 24/7.
Hooray!
Don't underestimate Dobson's passion or ability to do just what he says....and more power to him if he can pull this off.
He has earned his right to speak out.....
...he has tirelessly worked toward the common good for all families....and has a huge following.
He has been the voice of reason on the airways (radio & TV, plus the lecture circuit) for almost 30 years.
This is a Godly man and I honor him.
Oh yes, and PLEASE let it be true Bill Nelson is on this list......oh please, please!!!!!----We Floridians have had our fill of him!
There's something wrong with this "statement". It doesn't make sense. Does this mean Dobson won't target them if they don't block the nominations. I don't think so. Besides conservatives don't wait for anyone to tell them to act before they do so. I'd target these buzzards no matter what they do.
Ping!
It's time for Byrd and his personal sheets to be buried in the archives of time. Once buried should never come to light to disgrace America for which it stands. Byrd is still a racist's and has fooled many people black and white. He is using his party, the democraps as a vehicle to get blacks and whites to keep him in office. How many black people live next door to Byrd, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Dowd, and the rest of the two faced caucasian democrats. I think what is really funny is how in reality, poverty pimps jackson and sharpton are the,"UT's" of the demo-party.
But they are wasting blood they cannot spare. The courts' bizarre decisions worry, even frighten, the country.
The biggest mistake the left makes is the belief that that the so called religious right votes as a block and votes Republican. That is just not true. Forty years ago what we call the Religious right voted for Democrats by a ratio of about 90 to 10. But the abortion issue allowed Republicans to garner a much as 40 percent of that vote. The trend to vote Republican in Presidnetial elections has continuted and by 2004 perhaps as many as 70 percent of the religious voters voted for George W. Bush.
But the transition to the Republican party is not compelete. Many of the so-called religious right still vote for Democratic Senators, House Members, State and local candidates.
What Dobson can do it make a huge difference in the Red States that have Democratic Senators. He can really hurt Leftist Senators in states like West Virginia. In West Virginia the tide started to turn at the relection of Bill Clinton. To the surprise of Democrats WV went for Bush in 2000 and went for him by a bigger margin in 2004.
What Dobson can do is effect the votes of Religious people in Red States that have Democratic Senators.
If Dobson puts forth a real effort, he can foster a Senate with 62 or 63 Republican Senators and bring forth a filibuster proof Senate. He can bring forth a Senate that the Next Democratic President will have to appease.
But Democrats need to understand that Dobson is not the event they need to fear most of all. He is just setting an example for other religious leaders to follow. Even today Dobson is just one example of Red State pastors getting involved in campaigns for office.
During the 2004 election I often tuned in the Religious Radio stations here in Ohio. It was amazing. For the first time in my life I heard pastor after pastor openly campaigning for George W. Bush on their radio shows. That is a new situation. For the first time in history, Republicans contacted nearly every member of every church in Ohio. Many church members were contacted several times.
There was a major effort by the Bush campaign to get Chruch members out to vote. The Bush campaign made the case over and over that church members would vote for Bush by nearly a 70 to 30 margin. The Bush church effort was to get chruch members to vete.. knowing the margin would greatly favor President Bush. The Bush campaign did not want to offend Church goers so they did not openly try to convince church members to vote for Bush.
What amazed me was the number of Pastors who were not reluctant to urge their members to vote for President Bush. Day after day I heard pastor after pastor on the air talking about abortion and that the only hope to save millions of unborn lives was to vote for the anti abortion candidate. They then painted Kerry as a man with a pro aborion record and Bush as a man with an anti abortion record. They constantly referred to Bush's open confession of his faith.
I remember the media going balistic when in the 2000 primaries then Governor Bush listed Jesus Christ as the author of his political philosophy. The media called that a very DUMB move. But nothing could have impressed pastors in the heartland more than a politican willing to earh the wrath of the main stream media by confessing is faith in Christ.
It is also true that a huge percentage of church going men, are also hunters. They got contacted by the NRA, their local buddies and their pastor to vote for George W. Bush.
The problem for the left is not really Dr. Dobson. He is but the tip of the iceburg and Democrats will in coming years feel the effect of hundreds of thousands of Pastors at along last trying to prevent the death of the unborn.
The Democrats can only hope to ignore abortion so it is a non issue. But by motivating Pastors with their abortion on demand positions the Democrats have fixed it so abortion will be a major issue until it is overturned.
Good for Dobson; it's time the Republicans found a way to get these mainstream Americans confirmed.
Regarding Mr. Neas' comment: "Mr. Dobson's arrogance knows no limits." He added: "This is the kind of tactic that ultimately backfires. These senators have served their constituents well and have courageously voted their consciences. I don't think they will take kindly to threats from Mr. Dobson, and I don't think the voters will either." I would like to remind him of Tom Daschle. The American people are tired of having a minority view shove mainstream America into the corner and when Democrats decide that loyalty to each other is more important than loyalty to the public-at-large, there are millions of us who have discovered that we do have the power to set things right again. Beware the hubris of thinking your opinion outweighs the opinions of the citizens who you purport to serve.
It might be interesting if a bunch of other folks did likewise :-)
Happy New year and God bless...
Oh, dear. Can't risking alienanting them moderste voters, now, can we?
If '04 proved anything, it proved that when stark choices are presented, this nation goes for traditional values.
Or are your "moderates" those who want to keep abortion legal, in case they need one some day? Not to worry, what is going to happen when Roe is overturned, is to return the question to the states. Rest assured that babies will still be killed in the blue states, but will be safe in a large proportion of "Jesusland."
Much of the realignment of Evangelical Protestants, (particularly Southern Baptists) is due to the growing loony left influence of the RAT party. The loony left has no tolerance for pro-life views. Nancy Pelosi wants pro-life people to shut up and vote RAT. It is this attitude that drives religious conservatives to the GOP. If the state RAT party makes pro-lifers feel welcome, then realignment will be stalled. This is why Nancy Pelosi is developing a plan to soften the RAT pro-abortion stance. Much of it is promoting a steamless garment agenda that says universal healthcare and expanding govt programs can decrease the number of abortions.
First I want to say absolutely that the dems and rinos that are sabotaging the appointment of judges need to be castigatted and dealt with in the most severe terms. They need to know that the voters will take them out as they did Dashelle and others.
Now the issue of Dr. James Dobson, and the Christain collatiion calling the shots in national politics or even local politics is troubling in the least.
We need as Christians to do the right thing we need to vote for righteous leaders judges etc. But there is a clear line in scripture that has been crossed time and again in church history with the most ungodly immoral consequences.
Mark 10:42-45 Calling them to Himself, Jesus said to them, "You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them; and their great men exercise authority over them. "But it is not this way among you, (AN)but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant; and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be slave of all. "For even the Son of Man (AO)did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
Among beleivers this passage is not a suggestion or a guideline -- this is a an unyeilding commandment. This is a core beleif and those that can or feel they can violate this remove themselves from being the disciples of Christ.
Tough words?
John 14:23-25 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
If we keep not his sayings we love him not -- looking at the rest of this verse the father will love him not and neither Christ nor the father will make their abode with him
Christ said that he that keeps not my commandments is not worthy of me.
When A christain exercises authority over non-beleivers, when they wave the sword, make threats, do powerplays, act as political brokers, set up "christian law" as upposed to righteous law over non-beleivers they have crossed into territory that doesn't belong to the church or beleivers.
The Church wants to rule like the catholics of old, Like the Lutherans of old, like the reformed church of old etc. The church wants to disctate laws and elgislation for the unsaved -- they want the unsaved to act like bleivers while the church and those who are supposedly enlightened can persecute those that don't follow their laws.
We at FR or all people understand that the founders did not want any state sposored religion because of carnality sin and beinga ble to follow the bible they would in fact dictate laws and persecute all those who were not of their faith. the founding fathers wasnted freedom of relgion that all of faith could express themselves and worship as they pleased without a state church exercising authority over them and more particularly the legislators judges etc.
When we cheering Dr. Dobson and the christain collation on for something we like -- we give them further license and presidence to do things that we as american don't like. And there are hundreds of laws that historically have been enacted. I am thinking of the blue laws in the south.
Mr. Dobson has been frequently quoted on FR and I have been somewhat of a fan of his. But this is not the first time that he has violated or advocated violating core christain principals to try to get something more easily done that he wants to get done.
In the old testament there are a dozen or more lessons where people took short cuts and were rejected by god for doing so. King Saul in not waiting for the prophet samuel and doing the sacrifices on his own. Samson played with delilah and his gift and office in Go he had received trying to get all of the world and all of God and he was destroyed for doing so. The peoblem with the church is that there is this percistant beleive spawned from hell that we as beleivers are special and that becasue we beleive we don't really have to obey God's word -- see that's for unbeleivers and the unsaved. I have heard that preached in fundamentalists chueches again and again all over the country. There is an evil beleif that Christ will wink at our sins that -- somehow we have become drinking buddies or hunting partners with God and that entitles us to get away with things like the personal use of pornography, alcahol, premarital sex, adultery, lying stealing bearing false witness etc.
Part of that is due to the Teaching of John Calvin -- everyone seems to beleive that once they say a few magic words that they have got their ticket punched for heaven -- tha no matter what they day or do -- that Jesus like some crazy bride locked in the closet will always love them no matter what and always be faithful and always be faithful -- being faith being redefined as letting them go to heaven. This doctrine has swept the entire church regardless of denomination and in all those churches that preach against this -- in their heart of hearts they belive it.
This is my Dr. Dobson and the christain coalition -- which has been pounded repeated on this forum in times past for their heavy handed two faced dealings
let me finish with this Jesus did not die on the cross that you could be a millionaire. Christ did not die that your pastor could ride around in a loaded lexus or a leer jet. Salvation was not given to build huge temples that reach up to the sky, Jesus did not die to create a christian empire on on earth. "You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them;(exercise authority, rule, or lead) and their great men exercise authority over them. "But it is not this way among you,
Absolutely. But we have to target the dem party only. We can't go after RINOs. There's no reason to hand a Senate or House leadership just because we can't get conservatives elected in Blue States.
The only logical time to go against a RINO is during the primaries.
If there is no view because the senator hasn't seen the movie,what then?
I don't imagine the radical left spent much time viewing Mel's work about Jesus.
James C. Dobson, the nation's most influential evangelical leader, is threatening to put six potentially vulnerable Democratic senators "in the 'bull's-eye'
Do you know why he is the most influential christian leader? Becasue Pat Robertson destryed himself doing this very thing. Ralph reed did the same thing Jerry falwell did the same thing. we can make a list of preachers and chrstian orgainizations that have tried since just the 1980's to seize control.
The church is not to rule by seizing authority
The church gains on its knees -- when Christ is our source and we seek him he adds all these things unto us.
For the Church Jesus is the door. And anyone who tries entering in any other way is a their and a robber. This is not just salvation it includes our daily bread, our shelter our raiment, and it goes to our need for righteous government. Jesus is the door and if we try by our own strength and own authorty to get things enacted we are theives and robbers.
Mr. Dobson will shortly lose his prestiege and Join Pat Jerry and the long list of others.
Not to worry there are doezens that eagerly await the title of most influential christian and will seek to enact for themselves and their fan club as well.
I wish that were a true statement. Do you have anything that will back up that statement that women have less abortions in red states than blue states?
Do you have anything that will prove republican women don't have abortions? If we are going to make such statements to others we need to be able to prove it with some type of numbers or something because I dont make statements unless I can back them with something.
As a pro-lifer my ultimate prayer is that women stop aborting their children however because they are from a red state, are Christian women doesn't necassarily mean that they wont abort. Therefore if you have such information please do share it.
Oh, please....the fact they didn't see the film is a defining political statement in and of itself, and should be shouted far and wide.
Get it?
Issuing threats is dumber than dumb.
That's not what I am talking about. My point is that if a state goes abortion free, there will be fewer women aborting their babies in those states. This was the status quo before R v W; and that's how it will be when R v W is overturned.
Do you have anything that will prove republican women don't have abortions?
Never said they don't.
What threat?
"I don't think they will take kindly to threats from Mr. Dobson, and I don't think the voters will either."
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WRONG!
No Liz I sure don't get it. Your position is about like asking a man if he is still beating his wife.
Your proposition is faulty. Seeking to decide if a person should be voted for based upon their take on a movie is pointless. Some people don't watch the cinema while others are actually too busy to watch them. To others it's none of your damn business what they think about a movie.
If you ask me if I saw " The Passion of the Christ" I would answer in the affirmative. If you ask if I liked it the answer would be negative. I didn't like a thing about it. If you ask if I thought it was a great movie I would say yes. It is simply a movie I didn't enjoy because of the vivid portrayal of Christ's suffering.
On the other hand if you ask me about the movie I might well be the person to tell you it's none of your damn business.
I too went to their site and they really are in LALA land. We need to give them a continuous wake up call.
Take your argument to its logical conclusion and Christians cannot pledge allegiance to the flag, vote or enter the military. There are some sects that do it that way, but it is not orthodox (small "o") Christianity.
As a layman, Dobson is doing what he should be doing; influencing the secular, temporal world with the spiritual and eternal values that the Church proclaim.
This talk of "seizing authority" (upthread), is just giving life to the strawman that the loony left has created to try to scare the libertines. Don't fall for that.
But .. this proves Mr. Ralph Neas just doesn't get it .. exposing the fact that the dems in general still don't get it. It's no longer business as usual .. and the dems are not in power anymore.
The problem for the Democrats is their is no solution to the problem. The elitest Democrats DEMAND support for abortion on demand.
The Democrats problem is very hard to solve. They are in an either or situation. They can loose the far left in order to get more of the Evangelical Protestants, or get the far left and lose the Evangelical Protestants.
Their problem is there is ZERO way to please both groups. If the Democrats abandon their immoral anti religious positions, the far Leftist Democrats will sit on their hands each election day... If they do not abandon their immoral anti religious positions the Evangelical Christians will vote the straight Republican ticket.
Nancy Pelosi's proposed solution is the one Southern Demorats took in an effort to preserve the Solid Democratic South for the Democrats in all but presidential elections. It did not work. The South today is nearly as Solid a Republican South as it was a Solid Democratic South fifty years ago.
The southern re-alignment is moving north. Look at West Virginia, and Missouri. Soon Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan will follow that pattern. As the realingment that started in the South in 1948 continues the Democratic party will be reduced to little more than California, New York and the rest of new England. They will be limited to perhaps as few as 30 or 35 Senators and 17 or 18 Governors.
The Democratic party is starting to look like the Republican pary of 1936. In the 1936 presidential race the Repubicans only won New England. The polls of 1936, by the way, predicted a Republican win.
The problem for democrats is their party is made up of various groups that hold very divergent views on many important issues.
Democrats can do well if they are running an incumbent. . ie Clinton in 1996. On the other hand to take the presidency from Repubublicans they need a bad economy. If the Economy is bad Democrats tend to surpress their differences. But if the economy is good, they have no issues that bind them together and many that drive them appart. There are many wedge issues that can be used on Democrats. There are only a few that can effect Republicans.
That is why it was so important for the MSM and Kerry to paint the economy as being bad. The Democrats know that a bad economy is required for them to win.
Democratic voters (the rank and file) do not use the media as their gauge for the economy. If they are working and the company they are working for is hiring or not laying off, then the economy is good.
Here Ross County Ohio, the local Paper, Democratic party, the union, the state and national media all tried to convince the local workers that the economy was bad.
But it did not convince the local factory employees. Here, the workers main complaint was way too much overtime.
The Economy in 2006 and again in 2008 is apt to be very good. It will be very hard for Hillary to win.
Thanks for the ping. Adding this 'cause' to my prayer list!
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