Skip to comments.No, It Wasn't French vs. Indians
Posted on 01/01/2005 6:44:12 AM PST by Pharmboy
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Yes, I've read about it. The British attacked St. Louis which was Spanish territory then and were repulsed.
Not much of a battle compared to Yorktown or Bunker Hill.
OK, I will when in the vicinity, although Syracuse is not my favorite place (in fact the whole state is not either)
-btw Are you familiar with the term 'Drawing and Quartering' ? It was quite popular in Europe around the same time period, as was the practice of placing heads on spikes, and burning folks at the stake.
And, it's not that far from Schenectady.
And, good luck at the casinos. Even though the Oneidas were (and are) our friends, I don't mind if you take some of their coin...
And let's not forget "The XYZ Affair", also under President Adams. When the American deligation to France was told, in increasingly less and less uncertain terms that if they wanted any business started/continued/concluded the Americans had better wake up and pony-up more than a few,er, "inducements".
Wasn't the old film "Drums Along the Mohawk" (when I lived in Utica, NY they would have special showings) set in that period, not to mention "Last of the Mohicans"? It was indeed completely pivotal to English speaking America becoming more than a North American version of Chile, and for a host of reasons the "Seven Years War", "French and Indian War", or whatever anyone wants to call it led directly to our Revolution.
The same is true of the British Raj in India as well: Better technology and ancient, deep rooted hatred between not only tribes/princelings, but between religious groups as well.
Eminent domain?? Did you mean Manifest Destiny or, perhaps, The Monroe Doctrine?
The full sentence passed upon those convicted of High Treason up to 1870 was as follows: That you be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the Kings pleasure. So not for the feint hearted then!!
As you will see from the sentence it should properly be called drawing, hanging and quartering as the condemned was drawn to the place of execution tied to the hurdle which was dragged by a horse. This is confirmed by contemporary law books. Drawing does not refer to the removal of the intestines in this context and remained part of the sentence for High Treason long after the disemboweling and dismemberment had ceased. The hurdle was similar to a piece of fencing made from thin branches interwoven to form a panel to which the prisoner was tied to be dragged behind a horse to the place of execution. Once there, the prisoner(s) were hanged in the normal way (i.e. without a drop to ensure that the neck was not broken) but cut down whilst still conscious. The penis and testicles were cut off and the stomach was slit open. The intestines and heart were removed and burned before them. The other organs were torn out and finally the head was cut off and the body divided into four quarters. The head and quarters were parboiled to prevent them rotting too quickly and then displayed upon the city gates as a grim warning to all.
At some point in this agonising process the prisoner inevitably died of strangulation and/or haemorrhage and/or shock and damage to vital organs."
Perhaps after dismembering and filleting their prisoners the English lost their appetite to eat them.
Honesty is fine. Better that bigots come right out and say what's on their minds. Then no one is guessing.
Familiarize yourself with Edward Sheriff Curtis, Floyd, then come back and tell me Twain's Indian sounds anything like the culture documented in photographs by this remarkable man - whom I dare say immersed himself in American Indian culture far more than Mark Twain ever could have.
I have yet to view a Curtis photograph of a scrawny, dirty Indian holding his pants up with one hand, wearing a belt made of sardine cans.
P.S. Did you know the Iroquois developed their own constitution that influenced the content of ours?
You should be used to this sort of commentary on FR. I sure am.
Oh, I'm used to it, my friend. I just refuse to let it go unchallenged.
Yep I understand.
bump...i just love history.
The community was named after Douw Fonda, settler who was scalped in an Indian raid
Maybe not a new ancestor but a derivative of the spelling of Dowd
Still cool just the same.
One of my early ancestors was killed by Indians in the Shenendoah. Also, a grandson of his fought at what some consider to be the first battle of the Revolution at Point Pleasant, VA (WV) against them in 1774.
The story is that this group of indians, lead by Chief Cornstalk, were sponsored by the Tory Gov. of VA, Dunmore, to take on the Virginia colonists. Dunmore and the colonist General Lewis, lead two columns up toward the Ohio to engage the Indians. At some point, the columns split-up with Dunmore taking a northern route.
Sometime after this, Lewis discovered that Dunmore was meeting with Cornstalk, ostensibly to hammer out a treaty.
Gen Lewis smelled a rat and disobeying Dunmore's orders to stand fast, advanced his column. At Point Pleasant they were attacked by Cornstalk's force.
Lewis' men won the battle. Supposedly, if they had not, then VA would have spent the Revolutionary War tied-up on her western frontier with Inidan attacks and thus unable to contribute troops to fight the British in the east.