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No, It Wasn't French vs. Indians
The New York Times ^ | January 1, 2005 | GLENN COLLINS

Posted on 01/01/2005 6:44:12 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: RaceBannon; Restorer

Your history books were written by white men. Indians did not write their side of the story down. There is a bias by the authors of your books. Books can be made to say anything.


141 posted on 03/29/2005 12:55:00 PM PST by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Redcitizen

I'm (more or less) on your side on this one. French and Indian atrocities have been remembered and nursed in America.

English/American atrocities against the other two groups have been forgotten.

The same thing is true of Indians, of course. They tend to remember the atrocities committed against them, not those they committed.

I believe it's called human nature.


142 posted on 03/29/2005 1:08:22 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Floyd R Turbo; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Okay, so he was prejudiced. At least he was honest.


143 posted on 03/29/2005 1:35:45 PM PST by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Redcitizen

So, the Indians would have no bias?

Besides, which Indians? The ones who sided with the French or the ones who sided with the English?

Or the ones who wanted to stay out of it?

So, which ones are you referring to?

Or do you eman the fictional Indian who never went to war or ever did anything wrong and ate clean, pure water and was at one with nature?


144 posted on 03/29/2005 2:18:05 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Restorer
The same thing is true of Indians, of course. They tend to remember the atrocities committed against them, not those they committed.

I can't speak for any of the other American Indians around here, but my people remember both those we committed, and those against us...

145 posted on 03/29/2005 2:19:58 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: RaceBannon; Redcitizen
Or do you eman the fictional Indian who never went to war or ever did anything wrong and ate clean, pure water and was at one with nature?

Good God, I hope not!!!

146 posted on 03/29/2005 2:20:49 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: RaceBannon

Never said we didn't have a bias.It is human nature. Just pointing out the fact that the books of which you are so fond of is slanted toward the English point of view.
Take your pick of any group.Whichever one you pick, the end results are the same. The history books are written by the white man.


147 posted on 03/29/2005 4:25:48 PM PST by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Redcitizen
No offense, but I also have books which speak well of Indians, written by white men, but they still document the savage nature of the civilization that was the American Indian.

If I ever stick to one point, it will be that today's American Indians are trying to re-write their own history to make it sound like they were pure souls, when the reality is they were savages who smeared feces in their hair, killed people at whim, tortured their victims by slicing them open and sticking hot coals in their wounds, killed small babies by swinging the babies by the feet and smashing the baby's head against a tree...

That is something that cannot be imagined away unless you refuse to write about it, and today's American Indian refuses to write about it.

The first Indian wars were slaughters of white settlers in New England by Indians, forcing the white men to go to war to stay alive. AND, that 50% of the Indians alive then helped the white men kill off the tribes that were warring against the white men because those same warring tribes were attacking and killing other Indian tribes.

Today's American Indians refuse to write about that.

When today's American Indian start to write the truth about their history, and include all of it and not just the broken promises of a small number of white leaders once the white leaders were a majority, then you will have my respect. Until then, people need to know how vicious and brutal the American Indians were against the minority white settlers, and how they immediately killed all African slaves they captured because they thought that black men and women were from the devil.
148 posted on 03/29/2005 7:33:36 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: nathanbedford

Of the books I have read, I dont remember any cases of canibalism by Amrican Indians.

Gross stuff, sure, but I dont remember any canabilism.


149 posted on 03/29/2005 7:36:58 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Concerning bio-warfare, how many times?

And when?

Jeffrey Amherst is a singular incident, while the attacks on New England farmhouses were in the hundreds.

NO comparison.


150 posted on 03/29/2005 7:41:12 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon
Please see my comment number 106. I have read nothing which alters my opinion as stated in comment 52.

I am curious, what has animated you to revisit this thread three months later?


151 posted on 03/29/2005 9:01:31 PM PST by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: Redcitizen
Kindly review my comment number 52, on which I stand.

Why has this been revived three months later?


152 posted on 03/29/2005 9:05:12 PM PST by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: RaceBannon

True. The Amherst incident was an attempt at Genocide, whereas the attacks on New England Farmmhouses, with were usually happening at the same time as attacks on indian villages, were part of warfare...

That being said, there were good and bad on both sides. The indians certainly were far from perfect, and committed our share of attrocities - I know that and you know that - however, some people seem to think that it was only indians that committed attrocities - and you and I both know that is patently false.

How ya been, by the way? Havn't seen you around much. Things good? :)


153 posted on 03/29/2005 10:03:00 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: nathanbedford

I was just reading up on what this site is all about. It is all new to me. Say, what is the definition of trolls on this site. Thank you.


154 posted on 03/30/2005 7:11:18 AM PST by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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To: Redcitizen
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155 posted on 03/30/2005 9:20:48 AM PST by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
...whereas the attacks on New England Farmmhouses, with were usually happening at the same time as attacks on indian villages, were part of warfare... ...

Umm, no, they were attempts at GENOCIDE, they were trying to wipe out ALL the white men and women, and it started DECADES before the French and Indian Wars of the 1700's, in fact, the first attempt to wipe out the White settlers happened 2 years after Plymouth Rock, when the Pilgrims discovered a plot of the 4 surrounding tribes planning to wipe them out just because they were white.

Jeffrey Amherst did that Smallpox blanket thing to only one tribe, he didn't do it more than once, and he didn't do it to multiple tribes in multiple states, while the Indians of New England tried to kill the settlers in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

My personal belief, is that because of the murders and ambushes of the 1600's and early 1700's by the New England and Virginia Indians, all Indians who were seen after that were immediately considered the enemy.

One scary thought I can imagine, is a friendly Indian, calmly walking down the street in the town he was raised near, dressed as an Indian, coming in to town to trade furs or whatever with the townfolk he grew up next to, is suddenly seen by a European immigrant, his FIRST Indian sighting, and because of the $.10 novels he read on the boat ride, thinks ALL Indians are evil, and then shoots that friendly Indian.

In fact, I would be willing to bet that those incidents certainly colored all treaties with every tribe afterwards, there was no consideration of the individual tribes or 'Nation' of Indians as they thought of themselves.

156 posted on 03/30/2005 3:33:38 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: nathanbedford
I am curious, what has animated you to revisit this thread three months later?

Somebody pinged me, I didnt even go back and read what I previously posted, I was wondering why I was pinged myself! :)

157 posted on 03/30/2005 3:34:35 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Pharmboy
None other than the inexperienced 22-year-old George Washington was a catalyst, triggering the war on May 28, 1754, . . .

Well, he had an interesting life.

158 posted on 03/30/2005 3:39:44 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Redcitizen; nathanbedford; RaceBannon; redheadtoo
Allan W. Eckert Official Website

Several excellent books and "historical novels" about the history of relations between the North American Indians and new settlers from Europe and elsewhere.

BTW, some Indians did write down what were their thoughts and remembrances. Several knew and spoke English and French very well.

As to the beginning of the French and Indian War, events began with the work done by the French, on an expedition down the Ohio River valley, during which they planted several large lead tablets, on which were inscribed, declarations of the realm of his Most Christian King.

The British Crown objected to that intrusion [in its view] and to the additional expeditions by the French, intended to establish a system of forts and trading posts in defense of the claims.

George Washington was given the assignment of passing the word to the French.

159 posted on 03/30/2005 4:05:00 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Tribune7

He really did lead a most interesting and important life. And, one of the most fascinating things about him is that his second love (after Martha) was his farm.


160 posted on 03/30/2005 5:40:10 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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