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Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick (60 Minutes/Dan Rather investigation nears another anniversary)
Yahoo News ^ | 12/30/04

Posted on 01/01/2005 8:59:39 AM PST by Libloather

Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick
Thu Dec 30, 7:00 PM ET
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It 's been nearly 3 1/2 months since former U.S. Attorney General Dick Thornburgh and retired Associated Press chief executive Louis D. Boccardi were named to an independent panel to investigate the "60 Minutes" story that used forged documents to allege Bush shirked his duties when in the Texas Air National Guard in the 1960s and 1970s.

The panel was named Sept. 22, 14 days after the story aired and two days after Rather finally stopped denying that the documents were bogus and admitted the story was a mistake. The probe was supposed to get at how the story came to be.

In most newsrooms, that would take about 14 minutes, not 14 weeks, and those involved would by now have found new employment in the food-service or hospitality industry.

This screw-up, however, must be really complicated. Indeed, Mary Mapes, the story's producer, reportedly delivered a "60-plus-page defense" of the piece to investigators -- as if that's a lot to pore over.

Or is it that CBS thinks last month's announcement that Rather would be stepping down as anchor of CBS Evening News has effectively taken Memogate off the public radar screen?

If so, it should think again. Yes, we realize that holding people responsible for their actions -- think Sandy Berger or George Tenet -- was passe in '04. But CBS' transgressions date back much further than one story or one year.

As we've often said, and as one of its own, Bernard Goldberg, has damningly laid out in two books, CBS' problem is deep-seated political bias. Any investigation that doesn't address that problem will be dismissed -- at least in this newsroom -- as no investigation at all.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; anniversary; cbs; dan; documents; election; forged; investigation; nears; rather; rathergate; tick
...Rather finally stopped denying that the documents were bogus and admitted the story was a mistake.

Rather Dan - the biggest dope in 2004, continuing into 2005! WAY TO GO DAN!

1 posted on 01/01/2005 8:59:41 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

The last statement I heard him utter was that the authenticity of the documents could not be proven. I don't recall him ever admitting the documents were fakes.


2 posted on 01/01/2005 9:04:39 AM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: Libloather

dan rather's been doing dan rather for decades and getting by with it.

no, the network did not fire him. why?

because that would make it look like he was responsibile and the network at fault.

in order to avoid that perception, he'll retire later this year.

perception is reality.


3 posted on 01/01/2005 9:05:53 AM PST by ken21 (most things today are either stupid or evil)
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To: USNBandit

That's exactly right. He has never admitted anything! cBS thinks we're going to forget about it.
They are wrong.


5 posted on 01/01/2005 9:10:19 AM PST by meema
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To: ken21

Amazing that in a building full of newpersons, not one tiny detail of this investigative report has yet to be leaked?


6 posted on 01/01/2005 9:10:24 AM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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To: Libloather

BTTT


7 posted on 01/01/2005 9:12:10 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: blackdog

it's called "solidarity".

whether on the university campus, in hollywood, or inside abcbscnnnbc, everyone knows who everyone is.

no one outside this clique are hired. when someone sees the light, they're booted out.


8 posted on 01/01/2005 9:13:08 AM PST by ken21 (most things today are either stupid or evil)
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To: Libloather

The hell with CBS's investigation I want an arrest by the DOJ


9 posted on 01/01/2005 9:14:47 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Libloather

Independant panel is a joke. Want to get the truth out in less than 60 minutes? All Powell has to do is say on the Friday before the NFL playoffs that all of CBS programing is completely off the air until Viacom produces an honest and truthful report on the incident that satifys the FCC. CBS would have the report out faster than crap through a goose!


10 posted on 01/01/2005 9:15:27 AM PST by Bommer
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To: Libloather

Mary mapes 60 plus page letter explaining herself in a righteous context is one hell of a lot of 'splainin. By nature of circumstance, a 60 page defense of one's actions is a confession. That's why we have a fifth amendment right in the courtroom. Some day that 60 page mess may come home to haunt her. It may migrate from the confines of an employer/employee relationship into a criminal matter and there is not a damn thing she can do to prevent it.


11 posted on 01/01/2005 9:17:45 AM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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To: Libloather

One of two things is happening. Thornburgh is using that Utah professor as a technical adviser. And CBS is aping government bureaucracy that they adore, with a case of the slows.


12 posted on 01/01/2005 9:18:52 AM PST by Elvis van Foster
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To: blackdog
Amazing that in a building full of newpersons,

Thornburgh/Boccardi know better. And the lawyers for DanCo. learned from the Viet Cong how to sow fear
in the populace.

Not that I watch SNL, but they should start a "Week XX, and still no report on Blather's Blunder..."

13 posted on 01/01/2005 9:19:22 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
CBS's hopes.............

NFL playoff's......

Innauguration complicated with protesters and violence.......

Recounts on everything including wether schoolkids went number one or number two.........

Complete meltdown on Iraqi elections....

Superbowl mixed with rumors of terrorism.

A vice presidential heart attack on Valentines day. The following month long expose' on Viagra and it's dangers will fill the nuwz until Rather departs and the no-need to discuss any report......

And the assasination of Punxatawney Phil by a sharpshooter on February 2nd.

14 posted on 01/01/2005 9:26:49 AM PST by blackdog (May Islam meet Tennyson's "Ninth Wave" in my lifetime.)
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To: Libloather
Don`t expect much.It will be more of the same "mistakes were made,no malicious intent,blah,blah,blah"
Expect a complete whitewash,possibly a low level sacrifice and the equivalent to the most horrible penalty imaginable in the work world,suspension with pay.
15 posted on 01/01/2005 9:30:46 AM PST by carlr
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To: Libloather
Hey, it's a new year, time for a new clock!!!!

Let the countdown begin.

It is a non issue for CBS, they are off the front page. Expect nothing to happen.

16 posted on 01/01/2005 9:35:00 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: Libloather
Check out this short video commentary on 60 Minutes and the MSM:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/coolcaddy/Crumbling/download.html

These are exciting times. Not only are we witnessing the birth of democracy in places where it was thought to be impossible to exist, but we're also witnessing a historical sea change in the way we get our news, and a breaking free from the tyranny of a handful of powerful networks and print media.
17 posted on 01/01/2005 9:37:09 AM PST by Democracy In Iraq
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To: Libloather

If CBS New had a story about Republicans faking Memos to trash Democrats, they would have a full blown investigation, complete with story in a matter of days. Here, all they have to go down the hall and interview their own employees. They could at least give us something.


18 posted on 01/01/2005 9:42:24 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Libloather

They will definitely release this investigation before Dan leaves. The last thing they want to do is remind him that he ever existed after he's gone.


19 posted on 01/01/2005 9:43:45 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Libloather
Meanwhile, no one seems to notice that Sandy Berger has gotten off scot-free also.

For the curious:

Like "hopscotch", this word for "without incurring any penalty" has no connection with frugal Scotsmen. In 12th-century England, a "scot" or "sceot" was a municipal tax paid to the local bailiff or sheriff (the word came from an Old Norse cognate of "shoot"/"shot", and meant "money thrown down").

The word "scot-free", which is recorded from the 13th century, referred to someone who succeeded in dodging these taxes. Later, the term was given wider currency when "scot" was used to mean the amount owed by a customer in a tavern: anyone who had a drink on the house went "scot-free". This "scot" was reinforced by the fact that the drinks ordered were "scotched", or marked on a slate, so that the landlord could keep track of how much the customer owed.
20 posted on 01/01/2005 9:45:14 AM PST by Jeff Blogworthy
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To: Libloather
There will never be a public accounting of this blatant attempt to defeat President Bush.

CBS chose it's investigators well.

21 posted on 01/01/2005 9:53:19 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Libloather

Wow!! To me this is actually good news!

Here's why, this delay shows that what was discovered has been so damaging, and so troubling that they can not and will not make anything public without some minimal measure of internal correct, and scrubbing the report.

This also leads me to believe that the damaging stuff is being reported up the food chain so that even if the public never finds out, old Andrew Hayward's getting an earful and the rest of the board of directors is probably very angry...

HOWEVER, maybe we should start a campaign that notes any misleading statements in that report could constitute violations of Sarbanes Oxley... Now THAT would be fun...

Re-Designed (stage 1) ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com


22 posted on 01/01/2005 10:07:25 AM PST by woodb01 (Re-Designed (stage 1) ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: SouthTexas
" they are off the front page. Expect nothing to happen."

If they do complete their "investigation" I will hear about it on Fox News or FR.

My viewer ship and trust of CBS News began falling in the mid to late '60s. It has been close to absolute zero before 1980.

23 posted on 01/01/2005 10:08:41 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Libloather

Note to affiliates: Still twistin'....


24 posted on 01/01/2005 10:09:29 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
"Note to affiliates: Still twistin'...."

Here in the Central Time Zone the Evening News with Dan Rather precedes the local news.

Note FROM affiliates: why are OUR ratings so low?

The local affiliates have suffered because of Dan, part of the Rather Legacy.

25 posted on 01/01/2005 10:15:35 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: TYVets

One of these days they might grow a brain. But they better not wait too long....


26 posted on 01/01/2005 10:18:15 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Libloather
Indeed, Mary Mapes, the story's producer, reportedly delivered a "60-plus-page defense" of the piece to investigators . . . .

IMO, Mapes has managed to alter the focus of the investigation and has gotten the "memogate" investigation team to investigate whether or not Bush's NG service is a real story or not. I also don't believe that SeeBS has any intention of taking any punitive or corrective action on the investigation "results" and the whole thing is a dog and pony show intended to hush up Rather's/SeeBS' critics long enough for the furor to die off.

It took bloggers about an hour to expose the false nature of the story; it wouldn't take us 3-1/2 months to determine whether proper journalistic procedures were carried out prior to vetting the story.

For those holding their breath waiting for a giant expose resulting from SeeBS' internal investigation, you can go ahead and breath again. SeeBS has announced its results with Rather's "retirement" from his anchor chair. But, make no mistake, he will still be pulling the strings on whichever marionette they get to replace him.
27 posted on 01/01/2005 10:19:13 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Libloather

You guys just don't understand the free market system.

This "investigation" is being carried out by a law firm, Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Nicholson Graham (http://www.klng.com/)which just so happens to have one of the investigation leaders, Richard Thornburg, as a member of the firm. It is entirely funded by CBS.

These K street law firms get like $400/hour. Why should they hurry this investigation when it pays off at that rate. And what gets released is under the client, CBS's, total control, as they are the purchaser of the lawyers product.

Expect a whitewash type "mistakes were made" conclusion, with no details or specificity, like what questions were asked of what witnesses.

If they really wanted an accurate result, they should have turned all the money over to Freepers and turned them loose.


28 posted on 01/01/2005 10:21:10 AM PST by oldbill
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To: Libloather
Imagine what DNCixty Minions would be doing if Haliburton had Stonewalled a Forgery this long???

Pray for W and Our Troops

29 posted on 01/01/2005 10:24:58 AM PST by bray (The First of 4 More Years!)
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To: meema
That's exactly right. He has never admitted anything! cBS thinks we're going to forget about it. They are wrong.

Copy the above article and send it to:

grain@cbsnews.com

along with the statement:

We will NOT FORGET, We are STILL Waiting.

30 posted on 01/01/2005 10:30:11 AM PST by LoneSome Journey
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To: TYVets
I actually watched SeeBS more 'after' the issue came up than ever before, only to watch them prove themselves idiots. I still expect nothing to come of this.
31 posted on 01/01/2005 10:31:22 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: SouthTexas
I agree with you but don't watch CBS News at all.

I do however watch CNN, MSNBC, PBS and FNN quite a bit. They are all liberal although MSNBC does have Scarborough Country and FNN has Hannity (though tightly reined in). His Radio show is not Biased his TV show is.

I consider ABC, CBS and NBC news to be mostly fiction. The same with Cable news but do enjoy the occasional guest and pictures which do not always lie.
32 posted on 01/01/2005 11:07:49 AM PST by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: ImphClinton
I have given up on most of the TV news completely, with the exception of local issues. I just cannot stand every lib coming on and talking about the "proven" point of no weapons in Iraq, which of course continually goes unanswered. More of the "repeat it enough" and it will become truth. Not ONE of the supposedly right wing pundits ever ask "Well, where did they go?"
33 posted on 01/01/2005 11:51:47 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: SouthTexas
"I have given up on most of the TV news completely, with the exception of local issues."

35 years ago I watched more local news on TV than I do today.

The reason: today I watch Bret Hume and then forget to click the remote for local news.

The Rather legacy.

34 posted on 01/01/2005 12:00:14 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Libloather

Wasn't the panels report supposed to be released on December 10th? Silly me, I thought that was 12-10-2004. Perhaps it was to be released in 12-10-2005,6,7 or what ever.


35 posted on 01/01/2005 12:06:35 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Baynative
"Liberals are nature's prank on the rest of us."

Good quote for a tagline.

36 posted on 01/01/2005 12:35:44 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Jeff Blogworthy
Meanwhile, no one seems to notice that Sandy Berger has gotten off scot-free also.

I haven't forgotten. The Clintonista Sandy Berger is hoping to march in John Deutch's shoes and evade prosecution for what he did.

37 posted on 01/01/2005 12:39:39 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Baynative

The basic trait of a liberal is unbridled evil whether it is done knowingly or unknowingly. They feel, they touch, they empathize, they will 'fight for you' (regardless if it's against other Americans), and they think they are right and they will enslave you if you don't agree. In fact, they ARE evil and should be treated as such. They rationalize every evil act they perpetrate with the knowledge that what they are doing is for the good of humanity when it is, in reality, against anything good. NEVER trust a liberal.


38 posted on 01/01/2005 12:48:43 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: LoneSome Journey

Good suggestion, LSJ, we each have to let them know how we feel about them, and how they are 'handling' this slight problem of theirs.

I also have the email address of my 'local' cBS from their reply to my last email on this subject.


39 posted on 01/01/2005 1:06:48 PM PST by meema
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To: TYVets

Our local comes on right after Hume. It's not like I have to get up and change it, like 35 years ago. But children were the first cure to that problem, before the invention of the remote.


40 posted on 01/01/2005 2:32:14 PM PST by SouthTexas
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To: Libloather


41 posted on 01/01/2005 2:43:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - Dubya... F**K YEAH!!!)
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To: Libloather

I don't think he admitted a "mistake."


42 posted on 01/01/2005 3:26:23 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Libloather

BUMP


43 posted on 01/01/2005 3:34:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Libloather

Thornburgh and Boccardi's mission is obviously to whitewash the whole mess for CBS (and by extension, the rest of the dying "old" news media). That they have dawdled and screwed around for so long speaks volumes about how deep the corruption at CBS must run. Apparently, Thornburgh and Boccardi are just as corrupt as CBS. This whitewash should have been wrapped up long ago.

I hope nobody has been holding their breath.


44 posted on 01/01/2005 3:40:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SouthTexas
You are absolutely correct.

It amazes me that even the informed people on the right seldom have the guts to suggest these WMD's might just be in Syria. That is far more likely than them having been destroyed. That or their burial right in Iraq.
45 posted on 01/02/2005 5:42:15 PM PST by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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