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Senator Says Lifetime Terror Detentions 'Bad Idea'(RINO Alert!)
Reuters ^ | January 2, 2004

Posted on 01/02/2005 8:02:41 PM PST by The Loan Arranger

A reported U.S. plan to keep some suspected terrorists imprisoned for a lifetime even if the government lacks evidence to charge them in courts was swiftly condemned on Sunday as a "bad idea" by a leading Republican senator. The Pentagon and the CIA have asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for those it was unwilling to set free or turn over to U.S. or foreign courts, the Washington Post said in a report that cited intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials.

Some detentions could potentially last a lifetime, the newspaper said.

Influential senators denounced the idea as probably unconstitutional.

"It's a bad idea. So we ought to get over it and we ought to have a very careful, constitutional look at this," Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said on "Fox News Sunday."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghan; carllevin; cia; congress; dod; guantanamo; richardlugar; saudiyemeni
Do these people realize we are in a war to the death with Islamic fundamentalism? If so, who's side are they on? If not, they need to resign.
1 posted on 01/02/2005 8:02:42 PM PST by The Loan Arranger
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To: The Loan Arranger
I guess Lugar is next in line--he's now described as a "leading Republican," which is how they used to describe McCain and Spector, who now get the full-name treatment.

Funny how they never call Zell Miller a leading democrat.

2 posted on 01/02/2005 8:05:58 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Rand-ie, you're a fine girl)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, I noticed that "leading Republican senator" phrase too. Leading in what way? Access to the MSM?


3 posted on 01/02/2005 8:08:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I think he can be called "leading" because he is Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


4 posted on 01/02/2005 8:10:37 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: The Loan Arranger

Well, one should look at his words with the open mind. He is understandably unhappy with the idea of lifetime detention; maybe one could settle for shortened lifetimes?


5 posted on 01/02/2005 8:11:40 PM PST by GSlob
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To: The Loan Arranger
I'm all for rounding up terrorists and putting them away for good. Just beware the law of unintended consequences. I can visualize this being used by a future Dem administration to lock up abortion protesters, RKBA advocates, and a host of others.

Don't set any precedents you don't want used against you.

6 posted on 01/02/2005 8:11:49 PM PST by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

there was a thread on this going yesterday - you will find a lot of freepers who think that these people have constitutional rights.


7 posted on 01/02/2005 8:15:15 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Denver Ditdat

are those abortion protestors Saudis, captured in Pakistan? you have to differentiate cases like Padilla - from foreign terrorists captured on the battlefield overseas. the cases are different.


8 posted on 01/02/2005 8:17:41 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Denver Ditdat

This is why you kill terrorists. You never give them a chance to surrender, you just kill them with overwhelming force.


9 posted on 01/02/2005 8:18:00 PM PST by LenS
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To: The Loan Arranger

Indefinately.... Long as war is go he/they are stay.


10 posted on 01/02/2005 8:19:57 PM PST by Waco
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To: The Loan Arranger

Be wary of those farts who are so damned concerned for the enemy.


11 posted on 01/02/2005 8:21:58 PM PST by Waco
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To: The Loan Arranger

If you can't detain them the only other answer is take no prisnors. Kill all of them caught in the act of terrorism or taking up arms against the United States.


12 posted on 01/02/2005 8:24:37 PM PST by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: The Loan Arranger

I'll bet Lugar thinks Laden and his boys are part of 'we the people'. Go figure.


13 posted on 01/02/2005 8:24:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservat)
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To: DoughtyOne

alot of freepers do also - check the other thread on this.


14 posted on 01/02/2005 8:25:42 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Kath

if the US courts get jurisdiction over them - and they are permitted to have full criminal trials and rules of evidence, and US juries where you can't exclude muslims or liberals, they will go free.


15 posted on 01/02/2005 8:27:34 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Exactally which is why I say use overwhelming force and kill terrorists rather then take them prisnor.


16 posted on 01/02/2005 8:30:08 PM PST by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Lugar is an ass.

Does he think we can rehabilitate muslims?
Teach them... what? A useful trade or skill?

How about teaching them a new religion - does he think we can do that?
In how many years?

Doesn't he realize how humanitarian we're being?
At any other time in history, mankind would have moved swiftly to exterminate the verminous adherents to Islam just as we'd use DDT to exterminate disease-carrying mosquitoes.


17 posted on 01/02/2005 8:33:29 PM PST by Redbob
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To: The Loan Arranger

There should be no CITIZEN of the united states held for life on SUSPICION of terror charges, they should be tried and sentenced appropriately, but forigners who are suspected of terrorism is a whole other story.


18 posted on 01/02/2005 8:35:46 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Alabama - in 2006 vote ROY MOORE governor! - don't let us down!)
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To: Denver Ditdat
"I can visualize this being used by a future Dem administration to lock up abortion protesters, RKBA advocates, and a host of others."

You know what?
Any time abortion protesters or gun owners start flying airliners into office buildings and beheading innocents, I wouldn't have a problem with that!

19 posted on 01/02/2005 8:36:07 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Kath

well, in some cases, you want to take leadership targets alive if possible. they are valuable for questioning. and I might be inclined to let the foreign fighters have military tribunals, but the rules of evidence, in comparison to US criminal trials, would have to be much lower.

still, I think this lifetime detainment idea is something they only want to apply to the top AQ leaders captured: KSM, Zubayda, Bin-Alsheeb, etc. What do you do with these guys now?


20 posted on 01/02/2005 8:39:23 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Kath
"...the only other answer is take no prisnors. Kill all of them caught in the act of terrorism or taking up arms against the United States."

Seems nobody remembers that is exactly what our Afghan allies were doing with that group of opponents they rounded up, early in the conflict, at that fortification (can't remember the name) where the U.S. CIA guy was killed - one of our first casualties.

We could learn from them.

21 posted on 01/02/2005 8:40:24 PM PST by Redbob
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To: oceanview
"...in some cases, you want to take leadership targets alive if possible. they are valuable for questioning."

And after learning what we can from them, we should release them -

from 10,000 feet or so.

22 posted on 01/02/2005 8:43:07 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob

23 posted on 01/02/2005 8:50:38 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Redbob
Any time abortion protesters or gun owners start flying airliners into office buildings and beheading innocents, I wouldn't have a problem with that!

True. I don't have any doubt that our idea of who the terrorists are is focused, limited, and targeted to people who define the word .

The response from the 'rats would likely be - "Oh? Well, how about bombings of abortion clinics? How about murdered doctors? How about X number of people killed by gun violence this year alone?"

Janet Reno's willingness to tar abortion protesters with RICO is the kind of abuse I have in mind.

24 posted on 01/02/2005 9:43:49 PM PST by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: Denver Ditdat

I'm all for locking bad guys away for life, but you should have evidence to do it. Giving anyone a life sentence when you've got nothing on them is too much power. People change and are replaced but laws stay the same, and sooner or later someone's going to abuse a law like that, it's inevitable.


25 posted on 01/02/2005 11:29:41 PM PST by grizzly84
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To: The Loan Arranger
Senator Says Lifetime Terror Detentions 'Bad Idea'

He's right-it is a bad idea.

As soon as they stop providing useful information, they should be killed.

27 posted on 01/03/2005 8:07:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (Colgate '72)
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To: Waco

We're in a war... indefinitely long, yes, but it's not right to keep these people forever if it can at all be helped.

-- Joe


28 posted on 01/03/2005 6:23:59 PM PST by Joe Republc
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