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Is this internet prodigy about to knock Microsoft off its pedestal? Bill Gates' nightmare? FIREFOX
Times Online ^ | 01.04.05

Posted on 01/04/2005 4:26:26 PM PST by Coleus

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Modest pioneer: Blake Ross. At 7, he was a computer game addict. At 17, he made the breakthrough that created Firefox. At 19, he is a student of computer science (DAVID ADAME)
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Is this internet prodigy about to knock Microsoft off its pedestal?

A Miami teenager has created a free web browser that has been called Bill Gates's worst nightmare
 

A MIAMI teenager is basking in the glory of helping to create a new internet browser at 17 that is now challenging the grip of Microsoft, which once held a virtual monopoly on web surfing.

Computer analysts say that Blake Ross’s browser, Firefox, is a faster, more versatile program that also offers better protection from viruses and unwanted advertising.

Not only that, the system is offered free over the internet and its codes and technology are all accessible as an “open source” programme. Firefox has already been downloaded by an estimated 15 million users since its launch in November, making it the world’s second-most-popular browser.

Industry experts have dubbed the new software “Microsoft’s worst nightmare”, according to the technology magazine Business 2.0. It hailed Mr Ross, now 19, as a software prodigy. He is also a talented pianist and “an unbelievable creative writer”, according to his mother, Ross. “Anything he does, he does well,” she said.

As a seven-year-old Mr Ross became hooked on the popular computer game SimCity, designing and budgeting his own virtual city. By 10, he had created his own website. He later created his own computer applications and online text games.Soon he was reporting computer software flaws to manufacturers online.

At 14 he was offered an internship at Netscape in Silicon Valley. His mother drove him out to California for three summers in succession.

At Netscape, Mr Ross was introduced to the Mozilla Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation that promotes “choice and innovation on the web”.

Mozilla was already trying to develop an open-source alternative browser to Microsoft’s Explorer, which many analysts felt had grown clumsy and outdated. Mr Ross and his friend David Hyatt began working on a small, user-focused browser. What began as an experimental side-project turned into Firefox.

Mr Ross is quick to point out that he was one of a large team at Mozilla who worked on the project for five years. “It’s a big volunteer effort,” he said. In fact, the pair left before the work was completed, but Mozilla credits them with making the breakthrough. After he left to go to university, Mr Ross continued to be a “significant contributor”, according to Mozilla.

The task involved throwing out all the old codes and rewriting the entire system so it would support all websites on the internet. While Firefox still has a long way to go to rival Microsoft, it seems to be catching on. Firefox has received dazzling reviews from industry analysts. Recently some 10,000 Firefox fans raised $250,000 (£131,000) to take out a two-page advertisement in The New York Times. It is not just in dividual users who are taking interest. In December, the information technology department at Pennsylvania State University sent a note to college deans recommending that the entire 100,000-strong staff, faculty and student body switch to Firefox.

Mr Ross, now a student at Stanford University studying computer science, is taking it all in his stride. As a volunteer on an open-source product, there was no financial reward.

Microsoft professes to be unfazed. Windows executive Gary Schare said: “We’re seeing the natural ebb and flow of a competitive marketplace with new products being introduced. It’s not surprising to see curious early adopters checking them out.”

Not content with making a huge dent in Microsoft’s browser share, Mozilla, the foundation behind Firefox, is also going after Microsoft’s Outlook and other e-mail packages.

Called Thunderbird 1.0, the package works on Windows, Macintosh and Linux and has been praised by the industry and press for finally offering a challenge to Microsoft’s dominance in the e-mail arena.

The software provides a number of features which other packages are struggling to offer. Key features include e-mail junk filters that analyse and sort incoming mail and greater security elements.

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KEYWORDS: billgates; firefox; internetexploiter; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; microsoftwindows; webbrowsers; windows
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At $30 billion and counting, I don't think Bill Gates is worrying. Reading threads from many freepers I see a trend where they are switching to Firefox.

Blake? That's a first name for someone?

1 posted on 01/04/2005 4:26:26 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Blake? That's a first name for someone?

That's the 'in' thing to do--give your kid a surname as a first name, or, as another freeper calls it--a "soap opera name".

2 posted on 01/04/2005 4:31:51 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Coleus

Thanks to recommendations of freepers, I switched to Firefox a couple months ago and LOVE IT! Not only is it troublefree so far, my spyware shows it has decreased spyware being picked up by more than 90%.


3 posted on 01/04/2005 4:33:07 PM PST by Maigret
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To: Coleus
I don't think Bill Gates is worrying.

Nor do I. IE comes pre-installed on every Windows machine. Sadly, many people are unaware of the threat IEs' numerous vulnerabilities (e.g. ActiveX) pose, and that safe alternatives to MSIE exist.
4 posted on 01/04/2005 4:34:00 PM PST by holymoly (If you didn't know it, you do now.)
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To: Maigret

I skimmed through the article. Where did you get Firefox? How much did it cost? I'm about sick of Windows.


5 posted on 01/04/2005 4:36:52 PM PST by silent_jonny (Happy New Year!)
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To: Coleus

This is impossible! Microsoft has a monopoly! The Clinton Administration said so!


6 posted on 01/04/2005 4:37:57 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Coleus

Boy this free software war is getting intense! Sombody's going to lose...well...nothing!


7 posted on 01/04/2005 4:38:25 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Maigret

I also agree. Thanks to the others on FreeRepublic, I gained confidence and downloaded FireFox. It is an incredibly sweet browser and within the first five minutes, it became our DEFAULT browser.


8 posted on 01/04/2005 4:38:37 PM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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To: silent_jonny

Here ya' go:

http://www.mozilla.org/


9 posted on 01/04/2005 4:40:35 PM PST by groanup
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To: silent_jonny
I skimmed through the article. Where did you get Firefox? How much did it cost? I'm about sick of Windows.

Firefox....and it costs Zero.
10 posted on 01/04/2005 4:41:11 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: silent_jonny

Well, just do a google search for FireFox and download it from their website. The program imports all your bookmarks from IE. Sorry I did not give you a URL.


11 posted on 01/04/2005 4:41:20 PM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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To: Coleus
Since I.E. and firefox are both free,I don't see Gates worrying,not that he would ith his billions.

A new O.S. to rival windows may cause some concern,but I don't see that happening.

12 posted on 01/04/2005 4:41:30 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: Edgewood Pilot

I use Netscape for the email package mainly. I'll wait for Firefox's email program to come out to try it. I HATE OUTLOOK!


13 posted on 01/04/2005 4:42:50 PM PST by Wingy
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To: Doohickey
Boy this free software war is getting intense! Sombody's going to lose...well...nothing!

There is a lot to lose. Microsoft dominates the browser market, so it can have a huge influence on forcing standards that are favorable to it....and if it can't force a standard, it can just violate it and make it the default standard. If they lose the majority, that power goes away. Thats worth quite a lot.
14 posted on 01/04/2005 4:43:07 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Coleus
Is this internet prodigy about to knock Microsoft off its pedestal? Bill Gates' nightmare? FIREFOX

Browser war ended years ago - nobody cares and there is nothing to gain

They give FireFox away for free - if every American got a copy of FireFox this guy would make zero dollars. Some clown actually thinks Bill Gates is losing sleep over this?

If this guy wants to "knock Microsoft off its pedestal" he might consider creating something he does not give away for free. Reinventing the wheel is not that exciting - no matter how cool the new wheel is.

BTW: I use FireFox. I like it. From what I understand it currently has CSS problems so it is not a business contender.

Microsoft's success is not build on the browser they give away for free.

In the late-90's Linux was going to knock Microsoft off its pedestal (funny how the free software model never really works out as planned)

15 posted on 01/04/2005 4:43:16 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Edgewood Pilot
I think the biggest barrier to software like this is inertia. You can say what you will about Microsoft, but lazy and compliant users are what keeps them on top.
16 posted on 01/04/2005 4:44:14 PM PST by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: Coleus

I used Firefox and I got a bigger, firmer, better quality web surfing experience.


17 posted on 01/04/2005 4:44:50 PM PST by Honcho Bongs (See your doctor if surfing experience exceeds four hours)
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To: Coleus
It hailed Mr Ross, now 19, as a software prodigy. He is also a talented pianist and “an unbelievable creative writer”, according to his mother, Ross. “Anything he does, he does well,” she said. As a seven-year-old Mr Ross became hooked on the popular computer game SimCity, designing and budgeting his own virtual city. By 10, he had created his own website. He later created his own computer applications and online text games.Soon he was reporting computer software flaws to manufacturers online. At 14 he was offered an internship at Netscape in Silicon Valley. His mother drove him out to California for three summers in succession.

I'm a waste.

18 posted on 01/04/2005 4:45:03 PM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: silent_jonny

I installed Firefox two weeks ago and have never used IE since. I no longer worry about the security problems and most especially the hated pop-ups that frequently occured with IE. Also the abominable hijacking and re-routing of websites have now stopped.

The nice thing about Firefox is you can use it just like IE, no programing knowledge required. But much safer and with some nice features like the tabbed pages.

Go to http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ and click on the "Get Firefox" button.

Ed:-)


19 posted on 01/04/2005 4:45:55 PM PST by Edward Watson
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To: Edgewood Pilot

Edgewood, MD?


20 posted on 01/04/2005 4:45:56 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Wingy
I use Netscape for the email package mainly. I'll wait for Firefox's email program to come out to try it. I HATE OUTLOOK!

Mozilla's ThunderBird Email package works as well or better than Netscape..!

21 posted on 01/04/2005 4:46:47 PM PST by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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To: Wingy
I'll wait for Firefox's email program to come out to try it.

Isn't Thunderbird out already? Or are you talking about a different one?

If you hate Outlook/Outlook Express (both of which are as un-safe as IE), you might want to check out Pegasus Mail and/or Popcorn. Both are free. (I'm hooked on Popcorn.)

Pegasus:
http://www.pmail.com/index.htm

Popcorn:
http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/
22 posted on 01/04/2005 4:47:04 PM PST by holymoly (If you didn't know it, you do now.)
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To: Coleus

I've tried Foxfire on two occasions now and for some reason I find it "lacking." It's hard to pinpoint the exact reason but I keep returning to IE. I do keep Windows XP Pro and IE patched and have never experienced problems.


23 posted on 01/04/2005 4:47:12 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: mdittmar
A new O.S. to rival windows may cause some concern,but I don't see that happening.

Linux could be a real threat....and is in certain very profitable segments...but in the home segment Linux is not able to compete at this time. Linux is currently for geeks and very experienced users. Its developers do not seem to have concentrated as much on ease of use and consumer friendliness. Until they do, they aren't a threat.

Also, Linux developers seem to take some pleasure in doing things different or opposite from Microsoft just because....well....its different or opposite than Microsoft.

Thats great, but users have been trained to expect their computers to behave in a certain...Microsofty way. Some times you need to give the user what they expect, even if its Microsofty in feel.
24 posted on 01/04/2005 4:48:11 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: silent_jonny
I skimmed through the article. Where did you get Firefox? How much did it cost? I'm about sick of Windows.

FireFox is a browser

Windows is an operating system

I understand how silly headlines can confuse people.

Get FireFox at http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

FireFox is currently less vulnerable because it does less (that is pretty much how the model works - expanded functionality means expanded vulnerability and less options means less vulnerability - this is not rocket science). Home users - by all means switch to FireFox.

25 posted on 01/04/2005 4:49:42 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Browser war ended years ago - nobody cares and there is nothing to gain

I disagree, Microsoft has accumulated a lot of power and influence over what the industry does due to its overwhelming majority in the browser market. Microsoft sets the tone.

If they drop below 50%, then they lose a lot of that. And thats worth a lot.
26 posted on 01/04/2005 4:51:01 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
Windows is the operating system, Internet Explorer is the browser.

I'd like to try firefox but I don't want two browsers as I like a "lean" computer

I also want to keep my active desktop.

If I thought I could keep the best of I.E. and delete the rest I would,but trying separate I.E. from Windows without causing major problems in Windows could be tricky.

27 posted on 01/04/2005 4:51:16 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Microsoft's success is not build on the browser they give away for free.

The amount of effort, time and expense Microsoft went through to create, debug and embed Internet explorer into Windows, suggest that there was a reason why it was created.

You are not employed by Microsoft are you?
If it makes no sense for a student to go to all that trouble for zero profit, why would a publicly held company do it?

Hmmmmmmmm?

28 posted on 01/04/2005 4:52:13 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Arkinsaw

In a market, goods and services are bought and sold. Opera is about the only outfit in the browser "market".

Sure, Microsoft makes standards, violates ("extends" them) or ignores them completely. Technological leaders always do, whether it's Microsoft, IBM or whoever. So, when (if) open source becomes the technology leader they'll call the shots and cycle starts anew. I don't see this as "forcing" anything. Its progress.


29 posted on 01/04/2005 4:52:16 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Coleus

I like Firefox, but I don't like the way page fonts are rendered. Maxthon is a good 'tabbed' version of IE.


30 posted on 01/04/2005 4:52:19 PM PST by KStorm (Most people who plan to seek God at the 11th hour of their lives die at 10:30.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
FireFox is a browser Windows is an operating system

Yeah, I know, my mistake. But Windows and IE are almost synonymous.

31 posted on 01/04/2005 4:53:29 PM PST by silent_jonny (Happy New Year!)
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To: Wingy

Your wait is officially now OVER.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/


32 posted on 01/04/2005 4:53:53 PM PST by KStorm (Most people who plan to seek God at the 11th hour of their lives die at 10:30.)
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To: Wingy
I'll wait for Firefox's email program to come out to try it.

It's out. I use it.

Thunderbird - Reclaim Your Inbox

33 posted on 01/04/2005 4:55:01 PM PST by ecurbh (.. .-.. --- ...- . .... .- .. .-. --- ..-. - .... . -.. --- --.)
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To: Arkinsaw
There is a lot to lose. Microsoft dominates the browser market, so it can have a huge influence on forcing standards that are favorable to it....and if it can't force a standard, it can just violate it and make it the default standard. If they lose the majority, that power goes away. Thats worth quite a lot.

Microsoft dominates the browser "market"

Amount Microsoft makes off of IE (monthly - multiply by 12 for annual amount): $0.00

If FireFox takes over the world and nobody used IE ever again - amount Microsoft will lose: $0.00

The browser is nearly valueless - what is in the browser and what serves up the content for the browser is where the value lies.

34 posted on 01/04/2005 4:55:11 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Coleus
I agree that MS isn't the least bit concerned about Firefox. IE has never made a dime for MS as far as I know because MS makes its money on the operating system that loads IE.

That being said, I have been using Firefox for about six months now and love it. In addition to being fast and easy, I just ran Ad-aware for the first time in two months and it found 0 new objects. I'm sure hackers will target Firefox for viruses if its use becomes ubiquitous, but that's probably way off.

35 posted on 01/04/2005 4:55:13 PM PST by KevinB
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To: groanup; Arkinsaw; Edgewood Pilot; Edward Watson

Thanks everybody!


36 posted on 01/04/2005 4:55:36 PM PST by silent_jonny (Happy New Year!)
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To: holymoly

I'm trying to convince my wife to give up IE and Outlook. I use Netscape and Eudora Pro.


37 posted on 01/04/2005 4:55:49 PM PST by Chuckster ("Silence is not golden. It is yellow" Senator Zell Miller)
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To: Coleus

I use both Firefox and IE. I think IE is the better browser, but I do like Firefox because I can keep it stripped down to the bare minimum, so no shockwave or other plug-ins there.

I've used the Google toolbar for a couple of years now, and with SP-2 IE finally got the popup blocker it needed so I don't have the nightmares others will tell about.

Basically, I use Firefox for online shopping, reading the news, etc. and IE for fun.


38 posted on 01/04/2005 4:57:12 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Coleus
I downloaded Firefox but I also have the Avant Browser which has an Internet Explorer base. Avant has most of the bells and whistles of Firefox. It probably is not as secure as Firefox but I like it better. Avant is much better at blocking pop ups than IE.
39 posted on 01/04/2005 4:59:10 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: KevinB
I'm sure hackers will target Firefox for viruses if its use becomes ubiquitous, but that's probably way off.

Even if they do, Firefox/Mozilla and/or Opera will never be as vulnerable as IE.

US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#713878
(Scroll down to: "Use a different web browser")

You may also find this of interest:
An extended explanation on why Internet Explorer is insecure
40 posted on 01/04/2005 4:59:43 PM PST by holymoly (If I keep saying it, it's because it's still true.)
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To: Coleus
Blake? That's a first name for someone?

Yes and no: Blake Edwards, born William Blake McEdwards.

41 posted on 01/04/2005 4:59:58 PM PST by dighton
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bump


42 posted on 01/04/2005 5:00:05 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Arkinsaw
but users have been trained to expect their computers to behave in a certain...Microsofty way.

and there is the genius of Gates.

He had the vision to see what was to come, got there first,made,bought,stoled,depending on ones point of view,a great product,and now he owns the market.

43 posted on 01/04/2005 5:02:51 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: Last Visible Dog

Free products like Firefox keeps Interent Explorer free.

It's good to have a big American software corporation to compete against the rest of the world. If Microsoft were owned by anyone else and had as huge a monopoly, then I would want and demand more competition. If other countries could hold a monopoly over anyone else, with like let's say oil, then they would make others pay through the nose. I guess that's how OPEC treats Europe. Thus, it's good to have an American Microsoft. Knowing that it's good and important to have a big American Corporation that exerts so much influence, I can understand more and more why anti-Americans (like American ultra-leftists) absolutely hate Microsoft even though Bill Gates is a solidly left-of-center guy in politics.


44 posted on 01/04/2005 5:03:47 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: Coleus
Reading threads from many freepers I see a trend where they are switching to Firefox.

I switched to Firefox a few weeks ago on the advice of several Freepers. Smartest Web move I've ever done. I LOVE Firefox.

45 posted on 01/04/2005 5:05:50 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: holymoly
Thunderbird 1.0 is better than Outlook, IMO.

It is similar to Firefox relative to IE - faster, smaller, and equally functional for many users.
46 posted on 01/04/2005 5:07:14 PM PST by clyde asbury (As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.)
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To: Maigret
Not only is it troublefree so far, my spyware shows it has decreased spyware being picked up by more than 90%.

I just did a Spyware Sweep and it showed only 6 spywares for a period of over a week. Before Firefox I would have had at least 2 dozen spywares in that same timeframe.

47 posted on 01/04/2005 5:07:39 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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I disagree, Microsoft has accumulated a lot of power and influence over what the industry does due to its overwhelming majority in the browser market. Microsoft sets the tone.

If they drop below 50%, then they lose a lot of that. And thats worth a lot.

Nonsense. Content is all that matters - not the container for the content.

Netscape controlled the browsers "market" and at one time Netscape had a better product. Microsoft started from the position of 0% and cleaned Netscape's clock but good.

Microsoft makes its money on operating systems, development environments, and services to provide web content (as well as office software). If everybody was using FireFox, Microsoft will make the same amount of money.

Content is king, not the thing that displays the content.

Let's review:

Amount Microsoft made off of IE last year: $0,000.00

Amount FireFox dude will make if every human downloads a copy of FireFox: $0,000.00

48 posted on 01/04/2005 5:07:49 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Edward Watson

Do you elect to open it or to save it to your computer?


49 posted on 01/04/2005 5:08:26 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Coleus
Blake? That's a first name for someone?

It was 17 years ago.




But I digress...

Just last Friday I spent the evening cleaning spyware and other junk out of a friend's computer. (Internet Exploder was lifting its skirt for anyone and anything on the Internet.) Once I was done, I installed Firefox and threatened bodily harm if they use the 'net slut again.

50 posted on 01/04/2005 5:10:02 PM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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