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Why is this any of the government's business?
Jewish World Review ^ | 1-5-05 | Robert Robb

Posted on 01/05/2005 5:17:27 AM PST by SJackson

A sign of the diminished spirit of liberty is how rarely the question is asked: Why is this any of the government's business?

Take the issue of cell phones on airplanes.

The Federal Communications Commission has been widely condemned for considering the elimination of its ban on the in-flight use of cell phones.

None of the outcry, however, seems to be about safety. No one is asserting that planes will start falling from the sky.

Moreover, the FCC won't be making the safety determination anyway. That will be made by the Federal Aviation Administration. The FCC is just trying to get out of the way in case the FAA decides there is no safety concern.

Instead of safety, the condemnation of the FCC is rooted in concerns about etiquette and customer comity. Simply put, the critics find cell phones annoying and don't want to be seated next to their use on a flight.

In our flaccid age, perhaps there should be a federal Department of Etiquette and Customer Comity, with a Division of Anti-Annoyance. But a government in the business of protecting people against annoying social behavior isn't in the business of protecting liberty.

From the reaction, you'd think the FCC was contemplating a regulation requiring the use of cell phones on airplanes. Instead, it's only thinking about getting out of the regulation business.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; faa; fcc; nannystate

1 posted on 01/05/2005 5:17:27 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

You'd think government would be getting out of the regulation business? Republicans seem to have even more of a zen for government meddling in our lives than the Democrats ever did. You know the old saying: the more things change, the more...


2 posted on 01/05/2005 5:21:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson
Why is "hate crime" any of the government's business?

Don't need no reason or explanation.

3 posted on 01/05/2005 5:23:58 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: SJackson

it don't need no government, airlines could ban cell phones all by themselves.


4 posted on 01/05/2005 5:30:12 AM PST by William of Orange (I'm John Kerry and I approve this message. No I don't. Yes I do. No I don't. Yes I do. Maybe, not.)
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To: goldstategop
As you are so often, here again, like a broken record, you are right. It finally dawned on me after only 31 years in healthcare that regulation during Republican administrations is more onerous, at least for my operations, than during Democrat administrations. It was a startling realization, and I've had to apologize to some of my liberal friends.

I think it has to do less with principle either way than which industries get regulatory payoffs. I also freely admit that your mileage may vary.

5 posted on 01/05/2005 5:33:29 AM PST by jammer
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To: SJackson

Why? Commerce Clause. Duh.


6 posted on 01/05/2005 5:35:39 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: jammer
...in healthcare...regulation during Republican administrations is more onerous...than during Democrat administrations.

Komrade Klinton still gave us HIPAA—the most meddlesome, intrusive, pain-in-the-@$$ regs I've ever had to deal with.

But then I'me only marginally involved in healthcare.

7 posted on 01/05/2005 5:43:27 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: SJackson
Why is this any of the government's business?

You'd be amazed at how much is taken for granted, by conservatives and even ardent libertarians. I just got into an argument of this nature regarding licenses for commercial space travel. I asked what business the government, of all people, had in issuing licenses for private individuals to launch spacecraft. The response? "Well, somebody HAS to regulate THAT."

It's as though the people have lost their sense of in-dependence. As in "not depending on others to solve their problems." Sure, in some cases the government CAN solve the problems. But rarely. And almost never as well as an individual or private-sector effort could.

This article's question needs to be asked about EVERY GOVERNMENT FUNCTION, from postage stamps to street lamps.

8 posted on 01/05/2005 6:12:41 AM PST by IronJack
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To: TonyRo76
A sign of the diminished spirit of liberty is how rarely the question is asked: Why is this any of the government's business?

I ask this question several times a day. It's bizarre and perplexing how so many people think government is the solution for every issue that comes up. In fact, "government as the solution" is their first reaction to almost every problem that arise up here (Canada) and people no longer know what it means to be free.

Yet another side-effect of social engineering.
9 posted on 01/05/2005 6:17:09 AM PST by Stevieboy
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To: IronJack
The response? "Well, somebody HAS to regulate THAT."

Well said. I hear this response so often and when I try to discuss what would happen if no one regulated it (whatever that may be), they expect the destruction of civilization as we know it.

If we didn't have seatbelt laws, for example, no one would wear them and everyone would die. That's their argument, in essence.

Ask yourself: if a choice must be made, who do you want to have the power to make that choice? You yourself, or someone else? Anyone who willingly gives that choice away is a volunteer slave.
10 posted on 01/05/2005 6:24:26 AM PST by Stevieboy
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To: SJackson

The whole purpose of the FCC was to prevent interference among radio frequency signals. This certainly seems a lot broader than that, just like the FCC "indecency" crackdown. You may think some of these areas require legislation, but it just goes to show that an agency established for one purpose metastisizes into something else entirely.


11 posted on 01/05/2005 6:25:58 AM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: SJackson

Why do people who have cell phones believe they must have a right to bother other people who dont have them? It is annoying to have to listen to these people in Restaurants or planes. The funny part is although its rude to use the cell phone , they think you are rude when you ask them to take it somewhere else. Stupid baskets.


12 posted on 01/05/2005 6:28:55 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

Bingo!


13 posted on 01/05/2005 6:35:25 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: sgtbono2002

when someone uses a cell phone in my presence, i like to pay real close attention to their conversation... it makes them a bit nervous to have someone eaves dropping... also, when there is a break in the conversation, i like to say loudly, 'isn't this the best gay bar you've ever been in?'...

not that there's anything wrong with that...

i was in a bathroom stall, when in the stall next to me, a guy made a call...

i kept flushing like i had the runs and was eating exlax...
let him try telling whoever he was talking to that he was stuck in traffic...

teeman


14 posted on 01/05/2005 6:38:49 AM PST by teeman8r (i don't fault cell phone users, they can do what they want where they want to, but so can i..(flush))
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To: TonyRo76

When you're right, you're right. You involved in healthcare software or something?


15 posted on 01/05/2005 6:41:31 AM PST by jammer
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To: sgtbono2002
Why do people who have cell phones believe they must have a right to bother other people who dont have them?

They don't. I think the authors point is that that's a function of the restaurant or airline, who should ban them if they're a nuisance as theatres do, not the government. Perhaps no phoning tables in restaurants would do.

16 posted on 01/05/2005 6:45:56 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: teeman8r
also, when there is a break in the conversation, i like to say loudly, 'isn't this the best gay bar you've ever been in?'...

I am so stealing that gag...

17 posted on 01/05/2005 6:48:04 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: SJackson; Gabz; SheLion; CSM; Conspiracy Guy
But a government in the business of protecting people against annoying social behavior isn't in the business of protecting liberty.

There have been a few of us (Puff List) that have been on this for quite a while now.

18 posted on 01/05/2005 6:49:28 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

You've got that right brother!


19 posted on 01/05/2005 6:53:26 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW.)
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To: Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; ...
There have been a few of us (Puff List) that have been on this for quite a while now.

We sure have, Joe. And for quite a long time.

20 posted on 01/05/2005 6:53:37 AM PST by SheLion (Please donate to Free Republic. Keep our spirits alive and our friends close.)
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To: SheLion

yep


21 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:08 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW.)
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To: SheLion

Bump!


22 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:42 AM PST by The Mayor (When trouble overtakes you, let God take over)
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To: SJackson
there should be a federal Department of Etiquette and Customer Comity, with a Division of Anti-Annoyance.

Remember when Newt Gingrich was talking about the federal Department of Homework-Checking?

I thought that was one of his funniest lines.

23 posted on 01/05/2005 7:31:07 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: jammer
regulation during Republican administrations is more onerous,

In my lifetime, the Republicans have given us wage and price controls (Nixon) and the god-awful ADA (Bush).

And if I'm not mistaken, didn't Nixon also have something to do with OSHA?

24 posted on 01/05/2005 7:33:10 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: William of Orange
"it don't need no government, airlines could ban cell phones all by themselves."

My first thought was "Who wants to fly any more anyway?"

My next thought was the same as yours, but the airlines are probably pushing for the legislation so that the government will be the bad guy, not them.

25 posted on 01/05/2005 7:45:53 AM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Stevieboy
It's bizarre and perplexing how so many people think government is the solution for every issue that comes up.

Could hardly say it better. Weak-minded Sheeple really make me sick, looking to Government for satisfaction of human needs rather than to God—exactly like Lenin and Trotsky would've wanted.

26 posted on 01/05/2005 8:21:49 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: jammer
Healthcare marketing/communications and advertising, actually. Just enough to know a little ;)
27 posted on 01/05/2005 8:23:19 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Stevieboy
If we didn't have seatbelt laws, for example, no one would wear them and everyone would die. That's their argument, in essence.

If we didn't require motocycle helmets, cyclists would be splattering their brains all over the sidewalks. If we didn't regulate food and drugs, vendors would be selling maggot-ridden meat and cyanide as children's vitamins. If we didn't issue business licenses, the city would be overrun by ... businesses. Yep. That's the line all right.

Ask yourself: if a choice must be made, who do you want to have the power to make that choice? You yourself, or someone else?

If you say anyone but yourself, then you are acting like a child. Children don't like making decisions, so they abdicate that responsibility to adults. We must be a society of overgrown children, because an amazing number of citizens are reluctant to make decisions, and leave them instead to Big Daddy Government.

Anyone who willingly gives that choice away is a volunteer slave.

And undeserving of the title "American." The liberties we shed blood for are to be treasured, not to be yielded to tyrants for the sake of a little convenience or the illusion of safety.

28 posted on 01/05/2005 8:23:46 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
If you say anyone but yourself, then you are acting like a child. Children don't like making decisions, so they abdicate that responsibility to adults. We must be a society of overgrown children, because an amazing number of citizens are reluctant to make decisions, and leave them instead to Big Daddy Government.

Which brings something to mind for me:  remember when the Klintoon's said "It takes a village to raise a child?"  Were they talking about true children, or all of us.  Just a thought.

29 posted on 01/05/2005 8:44:35 AM PST by SheLion (Please donate to Free Republic. Keep our spirits alive and our friends close.)
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To: Just another Joe; Conspiracy Guy; SheLion; The Mayor

And for as long as we have been sdaying things would go this far we have been laughed at as tin-foil hat wearing the skyisfalling chicken littles.

I'm not one to say I toldl you so, but..................

I TOLD YOU SO.


30 posted on 01/05/2005 8:47:00 AM PST by Gabz
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To: goldstategop
You'd think government would be getting out of the regulation business? Republicans seem to have even more of a zen for government meddling in our lives than the Democrats ever did. You know the old saying: the more things change, the more...

You seem to have forgotten when the democrats controlled the presidency, house and senate. The bills were being written so fast that they were trying to get votes done while carrying to drafts into the room. Pages were falling on the floor as they rushed them out. It was a mess seen on national TV and that is why they got booted out. But never mind, once a republican basher, always a republican basher, facts be darned.

31 posted on 01/05/2005 8:50:41 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Gabz

The sky is falling.


32 posted on 01/05/2005 9:04:22 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Yup!!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 01/05/2005 9:05:48 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Stevieboy
IMHO, it's not one of the side effects, it's one of the main points. Refuse to be assimilated.
34 posted on 01/05/2005 9:14:31 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; SheLion; CSM; Conspiracy Guy; Madame Dufarge

Thank JimRob for FR! More and more people are coming out of the ether.


35 posted on 01/05/2005 9:29:45 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Yes indeed.


36 posted on 01/05/2005 9:32:35 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW.)
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To: HIDEK6

Yes, Nixon gave us OSHA and the EPA.


37 posted on 01/05/2005 9:49:33 AM PST by jammer
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To: jammer
...which industries get regulatory payoffs...

Defines the difference between liberals and conservatives.

38 posted on 01/05/2005 9:51:33 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: metesky; SheLion; Gabz

But,but----how are we going to take care of ourselves without the government telling us what to do?

I have hard time thinking for myself,making simple life-style decisions,knowing what to eat etc. How would I survive without the government telling me what to do?It just boggles my feeble little mind.

(Sarcasm off)


39 posted on 01/05/2005 9:53:00 AM PST by Mears
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To: Gabz

And for as long as we have been sdaying things would go this far we have been laughed at as tin-foil hat wearing the skyisfalling chicken littles
____________________________________________________________

Too true. LOL


40 posted on 01/05/2005 10:02:06 AM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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To: Mears

Those nice young men in their clean white suits.........are coming to take you away!!!!!!!


41 posted on 01/05/2005 10:04:33 AM PST by Gabz
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To: exnavychick

It is truly sad, IMO.


42 posted on 01/05/2005 10:05:53 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz

Agreed. :)


43 posted on 01/05/2005 10:06:56 AM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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