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First-Hand Account of What Goes on Inside a Chula Vista Abortion Clinic (Warning Graphic Content)
San Diego News Notes ^ | January 2005 | MIGUEL VÁZQUEZ

Posted on 01/05/2005 12:47:52 PM PST by NYer

Yeni is a medical assistant and receptionist at the Clínica Médica para la Mujer de Hoy, an abortion clinic in Chula Vista. She's taking care of a customer, a very thin young Mexican, 28 years old, and of disheveled appearance. He's come to get information. He smiles nervously all the while. Yeni deals with him coldly. In Spanish, she greets him, "Hi, good afternoon."

Customer: "Is this where you do abortions?"

Yeni: "Yes."

Customer: "How much does it come out to? She's got about two-and-a half months."

Yeni: "If it hasn't been over three months, the cost is $300. The doctor's not coming in today. He won't be available until Saturday of next week, but what you don't want to happen is for it to go over three months."

Customer: "It's a little over two months."

Yeni: "You can come in a week from this coming Saturday. Come in with the patient and it'll be $300. Do you know her blood type?"

Customer: "No."

Yeni: "No? Well then, if it turns out her blood type is negative, there will be an additional $75 charge. Okay, I'm going to give you a number for you to call in case you want to make the appointment later on since we don't have a doctor right now. But if you want to make the appointment next week, this is the number for the clinic."

Customer: "I can make the appointment by phone?"

Yeni: "Uh-huh. You can make the appointment by phone, but for a week from this Saturday. This coming Saturday you won't be able to do it because we've got a lot of patients."

Customer: "Is it safe?"

Yeni: "It's very safe. It takes five minutes for the termination."

Customer: "Five minutes?"

Yeni: "Five Minutes."

Customer: "Is there any treatment, afterward?"

Yeni: "Yes, she needs to come back in two weeks for a checkup to make sure she's doing okay. We will prescribe medication for pain, and an antibiotic. It's very safe, but she needs to follow the treatment and come back in two weeks, okay?"

Customer: "Yes. Thank you."

Yeni: "Have a nice day."

This young man was her last customer for the day. It's almost dark outside, and the clinic is about to close. Yeni is staying to tidy the reception area. She agrees to an interview next week away from the clinic. What follows is her testimony from that interview.

"I started working at the clinic in 2002. I had just graduated as a medical assistant. I had applied at a lot of places, but I didn't get a job because I didn't have any experience. Then someone told me that Sonia, an acquaintance of mine, needed someone. When I talked to her, she made it clear that it had to do with a clinic where they do abortions, but that they do other things, too. My goal was to gain at least six months' to a year's experience in the medical field. Sonia told me to go to the clinic to try to help out the doctor, and that if I couldn't take it, it was no problem, they would have me do something else. I didn't like the idea, even though having an abortion isn't something I'm unfamiliar with. I myself had an abortion a year before. Sonia had the same thing happen to her, though it wasn't as voluntary as mine. Her parents took her to get the abortion.

"I agreed to try it out," Yeni continued. "The first time I helped the doctor, I almost fainted. I couldn't see, and I couldn't hear. I was overwhelmed by the blood and the girl's screams. They took me out of there and I told Sonia that I couldn't do it, but they advised me to try it once more. By the second abortion I found that I could deal with it. The weeks went by, and even though the job is ugly, I was learning a lot about medicine.

"I made up my mind to withstand the work at the clinic until I got a little experience I could apply somewhere else. Then came the abortions of babies who were five or six months, and it became impossible for me to continue. After three months, I resigned. But the pressure to pay my bills, all my debts, and my situation as a single mother, forced me to go back to work at the clinic.

"To this day, I have left and returned three times," she said, but added, "I myself can't believe that I'm here for the money. That's what is so absurd. I make $8.50 an hour here. But because I wanted a career as a medical assistant, I stayed."

Yeni checked a small notepad where she has made a few notes for the interview. In this little notebook she has written important points she wants to mention, "So," as she put it, "that it can be of use to someone."

She then continued her account. "At first I thought most of the patients would be young, single mothers, but it's not that way. The great majority are married women; say around 29 years-old, the typical woman who doesn't want another child. The ones who are separated, or don't have a man in their life, also come to us. We hardly get really young ones. I think that younger girls appreciate becoming a mother more than the ones who are on their second or third pregnancy.

"We get patients on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. On average, five or six women come in each day. However, since the doctor hasn't been able to come in until tomorrow, which is Saturday, we'll be getting 16 patients," she said.

Yeni then explained what her work entails.

"Basically, what I do is to assist the doctor in the terminations [abortions]. After the patient fills out the forms and waits for her turn, I lead her into the private room where the procedure is carried out. I tell the patient to take her clothes off from the waist down. I tell her where she needs to sit and ask her to wait for the doctor.

"As soon as the doctor arrives, he has her lie down for the ultrasound to see how many months she is pregnant. If the baby is less than three months, the abortion can be done the same day.

"The doctor sits in front of the patient. The patient is lying there conscious — as if she were about to give birth. I hand the doctor the local anesthesia and I hand him the instruments as needed. I am seeing everything.

"Our doctor is quite old. He's 84 and uses an antiquated method." (The doctor to whom Yeni is referring is Dr. Phillip Rand. On Sept. 29, the California Medical Board suspended his license to practice medicine, noting that Rand is "incapable of practicing medicine safely.")

"First he puts the mirror in place. Then he measures the depth of the uterus. Next he opens the neck of the uterus with a dilator to make it easier. Then he introduces a small rod with an abrasive ring at the end. The ring isn't sharp, but the scraping hurts a lot of women and they cry or scream.

"When the baby is less than three months, the baby disintegrates completely. When the doctor feels that the baby has been dislodged completely, he introduces something similar to a straw. The exterior opening of the straw connects to a vacuum. Then he vacuums up everything that has broken apart. All that he vacuums goes into a jar. You see blood, and bits and pieces of tissue that look like chopped meat. It all comes out in pieces.

"This is the procedure for eight weeks or less, " she said. "When they're about 12 weeks, then the doctor takes the baby out with forceps. He takes the baby out in pieces. He checks each part and he places each one in a tray down below. When he finishes the procedure, I have to drain everything. We drain it to separate body parts from blood. We place all the parts in a jar that goes to the laboratory.

"It's impressive how well-defined they are. You can't believe what you are seeing. You see perfect little hands, tinier than those of a Barbie doll. You can see intestines, tiny ribs, their little faces, and their tiny squashed heads. You can distinguish among the parts if the baby was a boy or girl.

"It makes me so sad to see the jars. It's very hard for me to do all this. To see all that falls on the floor, or for example, to remove a tiny foot from the instruments. A girl who worked here told me that she came home with a tiny foot stuck to her uniform, close to her shoulder. She, of course, hadn't noticed until her husband told her."

Yeni continued getting off her chest what happens inside the clinic: "When the patient is less than three months pregnant, we have to prepare her so that she can come back the next day when she is dilated. The really large terminations are impressive. I have seen three fetuses come out whole. In one instance, you could see the little hand coming out of the uterus. The little hand was moving. But the most impressive thing was the baby that came out breathing. That time, the doctor got sick.

"The girl lived in Tijuana. They put dilators in her for two days. The baby was five and a half months. She didn't have a car and came walking to the clinic. Then it seemed like she was going through labor. When the doctor started to work on her, the baby came out without any help. The child came out breathing and died right there. After a minute, he changed color. He turned purple. The assistants felt very bad. They didn't want to put him in the receptacle. The doctor had to do it. All of us were very affected by it.

"Later, I saw the doctor in his office. His gaze was lost and fixed on the wall. Afterward, he was on the phone with someone telling them what had happened."

Yeni pauses. She wants to continue talking, but it's as if she has a lump in her throat. The interview took a bitter and sad turn.

"Since a few days ago," she said, "a substitute doctor has been coming in. He's younger and has a different technique. He doesn't scrape the uterus, he just uses the vacuum. Last Sunday, he couldn't take it any more because we did some rather large terminations — around four months. He used a technique I hadn't seen. He divided the ultrasound screen in two parts and used an apparatus during the entire procedure. Usually, what you see with the ultrasound is the child sucking his finger, or playing, but on this occasion when the doctor began vacuuming, you could see the baby was moving as if he hurt because it was pulling him or tearing something off. It was horrible, horrible.

"During the procedure, I feel as if they were doing it to me. I want it to finish quickly. I don't want to see it, and yet I have to see it. It's as if it were a penance for the abortion I had myself. With every patient I relive the same thing, and I feel the same thing. It's as if they're doing it to me again. It's as if it were so that I never forget, that I never forget what happened. And it hurts. Every day I wake up thinking, 'I have to go work there again.'

"When I started working at the clinic, Sonia and I made up our minds to help people. We were going to try to persuade them not to get an abortion. We often tried to secretly do a good deed. We'd ask the girls, 'Are you sure?' We would tell them to think it over carefully. Sometimes we would tell them it was going to hurt them terribly. We scared them. A few here and there would regret it and not go through with it. We even helped a few of them, who arrived under pressure from their mother or their husband, to escape out the back door.

"But this attitude of helping out was off and on for short periods of time. This is because you see how, when a patient has made up her mind, there's not much you can do. That has discouraged us. What's more, I would tell the ones who got an abortion, 'Be careful; make sure you don't have to go through this again. Look at me; I did it and it has really affected me.' According to me, I was providing them with therapy. That has passed in me. I don't feel sorry for them, as I did at first. Now they make me angry.

"In most of the cases we handle there is no really pressing need. We used to ask them what their situation was, but I don't ask them any more because they're the same dumb responses. I'm angry that they come to get an abortion so unashamed, joking, and laughing. One that was in the reception area told me, clowning around, 'Kick me, why don't you, so it comes out.'

"When I did it [had an abortion], I was totally in shock. I can't justify it, but here I see almost all of them come in as if they were getting a facial. They're very selfish. One 38-year-old woman told me, 'It's either the baby, or it's my daughter's quinceañera (A traditional Mexican debutant party for 15-year-old girls). It's not my daughter's fault that I got pregnant.' Some of them have gotten mad at us because they're seven months pregnant, and we can no longer do it. We have had women who come in as patients and later bring their daughter. We have patients who come back here in three months. There's one patient who has had eight abortions. Even the doctor said the tenth one will be free. Another one came because she was going to get married and wanted the abortion before the honeymoon.

"One woman was afraid and said, 'Oh my God, please don't let it hurt, don't let it hurt.' Sonia answered, 'Ma'am, you leave God out of these things.'

"Others ask, 'How did it come out?', like they want to see it. I don't answer them. I only say to myself 'Don't worry, the baby came out in pieces. What do you want to see? The baby in pieces?' After the abortion, they'll ask, 'Can I go to a party? Can I drink alcohol?'

"I can't help being angry — at the patient, at the doctor, and at myself. It's useless to be here. We aren't doing anything good. I'm very mad at myself. I feel wasted away. I feel as if I'm not the same person."

At another time in her life, Yeni was part of a youth group at a Tijuana parish. Imbedded in her mind are many happy moments, innocent and full of hope. One recent event has made her think long and hard about the meaning of her life.

"Three days after it opened, we went to see Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. Believe me, it was very hard. When we saw how they beat Jesus and the instruments they used, we compared it to the instruments the doctor used. I saw everything we did in the clinic in that movie — so much blood spilled. I couldn't stop crying in the theater. I also saw the devil portrayed as a fetus. I wanted to die. The following day, I told Sonia that we had to stop working at the clinic. She also saw the movie and we remembered that in the picture they said 'He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.' We were very afraid because just a few months before, the manager of the clinic was killed by her husband. We felt something was going to happen to us because of what we were doing", she said.

"Before my abortion, and before working here, I wasn't afraid of death. Whenever I thought of the day God would come for me, even while knowing I have sinned, with all of my sins, I wasn't afraid. Now, I live with that fear. I feel that I don't want to die because I wonder how I would face God if I should see him. I don't have peace.

"Last week, I visited my brother and wanted to hug my nephew. The child was crying almost hysterically. My sister-in-law said the child was scared because he felt I have the devil inside because I kill babies for a living. I was really angry at my sister-in-law, but I felt it was true to some extent."

Yeni wants to leave her present situation and has started to take the first steps.

"A few days ago, I went to see a guy from the church group that I used to go to. He told me that he was happy that I worked for God and that I was doing well. I felt as if I were choking! I told him I worked at something that I had to leave before I can get closer to God again. He told me to talk to a priest, but I'm afraid. I can't see how I can in all conscience walk into a church. I know the trouble that I'm in. I know the situation I'm in, and what it is I need to do.

"I applied for a job where they take care of the elderly in San Diego. I told the woman who interviewed me about the type of work I do at the clinic, and I pleaded with her to help me get out of here. I told her my hope was with this new job. She was very kind, and she said she would do all she can. No matter what happens, if I don't get the job, I'm going to look for a job in whatever I can. It doesn't matter if it's not as a medical assistant. I'm fed up with the situation here.

"Sonia also had an interview somewhere else. It is for a totally different job. She told me that when she was walking back from her interview, she was telling God, 'My dear God, please, you don't want me to return to the clinic. Give me this job. Please give it to me.' She also told me, 'You'll see; they're going to give us those jobs.'

"We're both sick of our jobs, but for one reason or another, we're still here. I agreed to talk to La Cruz because I think it's necessary that people know the horrors that we have experienced here. Both of us feel a great need to do something good to start compensating God for everything we have done in this job."

Yeni said she wanted to make one important comment before concluding the interview:

"I want to add that some religious groups deliver pamphlets to women before they enter the clinic. I've seen that they look at those pamphlets that show the formation of a baby week after week. Some reconsider and leave the clinic. They are few, but sometimes it happens."

Yeni and Sonia left their job at the clinic a week after this interview, which was conducted on September 27, 2004. The woman who was their supervisor is considering resigning, as well. She has told this to the coordinator of one of the two prayer groups that get together in front of the clinic. They continue to pray for the clinic to be closed permanently.


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1 posted on 01/05/2005 12:47:52 PM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
“Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (18)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general.”

HUMANAE VITAE

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 01/05/2005 12:50:11 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus
"I want to add that some religious groups deliver pamphlets to women before they enter the clinic. I've seen that they look at those pamphlets that show the formation of a baby week after week. Some reconsider and leave the clinic. They are few, but sometimes it happens."

Keep up the good work! You do make a difference.

3 posted on 01/05/2005 12:51:41 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer
I make $8.50 an hour here. But because I wanted a career as a medical assistant, I stayed."

Go Work in a McDonalds if the money is that good...This woman is absolutely nutz!!!

4 posted on 01/05/2005 12:53:23 PM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: NYer
The really large terminations are impressive.

Not the wording that I would choose...

5 posted on 01/05/2005 12:56:47 PM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: NYer
Great now compound the issue of illegals entering into our country to get an abortion??

When will this madness stop?

Why wont our government stop this TSUNAMI FLOOD OF ILLEGALS

6 posted on 01/05/2005 12:58:44 PM PST by stopem
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To: NYer

Words fail me......


7 posted on 01/05/2005 1:03:58 PM PST by NRA1995 ("Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan & Ah think yer gonna fin'lly understand")
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To: Coleus; cpforlife.org

Ping!


8 posted on 01/05/2005 1:04:46 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: NYer

please put me on this ping list. this account was so moving. thanks for posting it!


9 posted on 01/05/2005 1:07:49 PM PST by jeffie77
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To: AnnaZ

Just heartbreaking.


10 posted on 01/05/2005 1:09:59 PM PST by Feiny (MERRY NEW YEAR!!)
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To: NYer
I remember seeing Silent Scream when I was 15 years old in the Christian Morality class at my Catholic high school. I couldn't believe what I saw, and it was one of the few time I felt ill after watching something. I have been pro-life ever since.
11 posted on 01/05/2005 1:10:40 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: NYer
He told me to talk to a priest, but I'm afraid. I can't see how I can in all conscience walk into a church. I know the trouble that I'm in. I know the situation I'm in, and what it is I need to do.

Yeni, dear, you absolutely, desperately need to walk into a Church ... and head straight for the confessional. Deciding to make a good Confession will be one of the hardest things you do ... actually making it will probably be surprisingly easy, and the best thing you will ever have done.

12 posted on 01/05/2005 1:23:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

** mujer de hoy **

Today's woman?


13 posted on 01/05/2005 1:26:35 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: NYer
NOTE #1: Joe Schiendler's group (PLA?) makes videos of interviews with people who have left the abortion industry. They are called "The Abortion Providers." numbers 1, 2, etc.

NOTE #2: One of the abortionist interviewed told about how the first abortion he saw hurt like a hot coal, the next wasn't quite as bad, the next hurt even less. He had the same reaction when he actually did the abortions. Similar to what Yeni felt maybe.

NOTE #3: A Chicago Newspaper printed a series of articles in 1980 or so, called "The Abortion Providers." Does anyone know if this is online anywhere? I have a bad copy of the articles and they are definately worth sharing.

14 posted on 01/05/2005 1:28:31 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: NYer

Oooops, the newspaper articles were called "The Abortion Profiteers," November 1978.


15 posted on 01/05/2005 1:31:20 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: NYer

Wow. I am sitting here at work with tears in my eyes. The moral state of this country is just getting worse and worse. 50 years ago, homosexuality was thought of by most as disgusting and abortion was illegal. Now, abortion is legal and anyone who thinks or speaks out against homosexuality is looked down upon and persecuted. I'd hate to see America in another 50 years...


16 posted on 01/05/2005 1:38:53 PM PST by bkny23m
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To: feinswinesuksass
I could not read the whole thing.

17 posted on 01/05/2005 1:41:43 PM PST by AnnaZ (Repent. The end is nigh. Again.)
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To: bkny23m

America won't be here as you know it in another 50 years.


19 posted on 01/05/2005 1:48:41 PM PST by MikeWUSAF (Brunettes, Guns and FR: These are a few of my favorite things...)
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To: NYer

Horrifying.


21 posted on 01/05/2005 1:50:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: NYer

The shades are pulled aside slightly on America's hidden holocaust...


23 posted on 01/05/2005 1:52:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: sockmonkey

...asesino de hoy....


24 posted on 01/05/2005 1:56:37 PM PST by onedoug
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To: NYer

I saw our second child on the ultrasound two days ago. It was such a joy to see her/him for the first time. The child's tiny heart beating was clearly visible at 2 1/2 months. How anyone could terminate that is beyond my comprehension.


25 posted on 01/05/2005 2:01:41 PM PST by balk
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To: NYer

God forgive us for allowing this to happen. Blessed are the innocent children.


26 posted on 01/05/2005 2:03:52 PM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: NYer
HMmmm...
 
The world has lost around 150,000 people from a tsunami - The US loses 10 times that many, every year, from CHOICE!
 
 
Now then; just WHO is it that needs some kind of aid?

27 posted on 01/05/2005 2:09:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: seamole
Yeni and Sonia left their job at the clinic a week after this interview, which was conducted on September 27, 2004. The woman who was their supervisor is considering resigning, as well. She has told this to the coordinator of one of the two prayer groups that get together in front of the clinic. They continue to pray for the clinic to be closed permanently.

Praise the Lord! I will include them in my prayers.

"Love your enemies. Bless those who curse you and pray for those who mistreat you."

28 posted on 01/05/2005 2:22:07 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: balk
My wife just found out today that she is pregnant. I am about to be a Father (again) at the age of 43. My wife is 40 and is considered high risk. For some, that fact alone justifies an abortion. For me, even though this was an unplanned pregnancy, I will do everything in my power to help make this yet-to-be-born child's journey towards birth as safe and uneventful as possible.

When it comes down to it, all that matters is life and our responsibility to protect it.
29 posted on 01/05/2005 2:28:49 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Rap - the other Disco)
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To: reagan_fanatic
I gotta admit that I clicked on your webpage and thought, "Man, that guy looks a lot older than 43!" I scrolled down though and figured it out.

Congrats on the baby. That's wonderful news.

30 posted on 01/05/2005 2:33:09 PM PST by Artist
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To: EternalVigilance
"The shades are pulled aside slightly on America's hidden holocaust..."

And there's nothing like feeling like a "good German" again....

What a horrible mess we're in.

31 posted on 01/05/2005 2:34:54 PM PST by Artist
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To: Artist

Indeed we are, indeed we are...


32 posted on 01/05/2005 2:37:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Shaking nine point oh - With a deadly wave goodbye - oh four departed...)
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To: frog_jerk_2004

I wonder if the interview was done in Spanish and that's the translation?


33 posted on 01/05/2005 2:48:46 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: Artist
I gotta admit that I clicked on your webpage and thought, "Man, that guy looks a lot older than 43!" I scrolled down though and figured it out

LOL - thanks for the laugh, I sure could use one right about now!!
34 posted on 01/05/2005 2:49:21 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Rap - the other Disco)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Congrats!!!!!! Joy of today is that older women can have successful pregnancies! Got a list of names ready?


35 posted on 01/05/2005 2:51:23 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: NYer

I live in Chula Vista, perhaps blocks from this very clinic.
Can't find an address, and I don't speak Spanish.

Probably a good thing, I'm so disgusted.


36 posted on 01/05/2005 2:52:48 PM PST by b9 (Happy New You)
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To: Artist

OOooopps!

Forgot to add, that older women in the past have had successful pregnancies (like those in Biblical stories). I think that there's a lot of hype and scare tactics for carrying a child. The abortion and MSM industry want you to be scared. I think the odds are in your favor.


37 posted on 01/05/2005 2:53:36 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: SaltyJoe
Got a list of names ready

LORD NO!!!

It's all still kinda sinking in right now. I am pretty certain it won't be Muhammed or Hillary though!
39 posted on 01/05/2005 2:55:09 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Rap - the other Disco)
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To: bkny23m
The moral state of this country is just getting worse and worse. 50 years ago, homosexuality was thought of by most as disgusting and abortion was illegal. Now, abortion is legal and anyone who thinks or speaks out against homosexuality is looked down upon and persecuted. I'd hate to see America in another 50 years...

It wont be here.

40 posted on 01/05/2005 3:17:22 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: reagan_fanatic

LOL, Actually the real St Hillary (not the one married to a former American president) is having her feast day on the 13th of January.

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=55

But I know exactly what you mean about a name being dragged through the mud. Just look at what Mz. Ciccone did to the name "Madonna".


41 posted on 01/05/2005 3:46:54 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: doodlelady
I live in Chula Vista, perhaps blocks from this very clinic. Can't find an address, and I don't speak Spanish.

You can always pray - for the aborted babies, their mothers and the clinic workers, including the abortionist. God always answers prayer!

42 posted on 01/05/2005 3:51:24 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: NYer

You know, I'm pretty sure these workers must've been
receptive to those prayers, to finally have the strength
to walk away.

You're right. Proximity makes no difference.
But prayer does.
Thank you.


43 posted on 01/05/2005 4:02:46 PM PST by b9 (Happy New You)
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To: bkny23m
50 years ago, homosexuality was thought of by most as disgusting and abortion was illegal. Now, abortion is legal and anyone who thinks or speaks out against homosexuality is looked down upon and persecuted. I'd hate to see America in another 50 years...

Would you say the following is a more apt description of the times?

"Religious indifference or practical atheism is growing rapidly. A large part of secularized societies lives with no reference to religious authority or values. For "homo indifferens," "Perhaps God does not exist, it doesn't matter, anyway we don't miss him." Well-being and the culture of secularization provoke in consciences an eclipse of need and desire for all that is not immediate. They reduce aspiration toward the transcendent to a simple subjective need for spirituality, and happiness to material well-being and the gratification of sexual impulses."
FULL TEXT

44 posted on 01/05/2005 4:12:08 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: balk
I saw our second child on the ultrasound two days ago. It was such a joy to see her/him for the first time.

Congratulations!

The child's tiny heart beating was clearly visible at 2 1/2 months. How anyone could terminate that is beyond my comprehension.

And beyond mine as well, but it is not for us to judge. As my father has often said, "God made one perfect man and they crucified Him".

As you await with joy the birth of your 2nd child, please pray for those who will never see the light of day. Remember too, their mothers, the clinic workers and yes, even the abortionist. God answers all prayers.

45 posted on 01/05/2005 4:21:19 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: reagan_fanatic
all that matters is life and our responsibility to protect it.

Congratulations! Children are indeed a gift from God. All life is precious.

BTW - my neighbors had their 2nd child last year, 17 years after their first. The older one is now in college and the youngest one is barely a toddler. The parents are still glowing!

46 posted on 01/05/2005 4:26:51 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: NYer

Yesterday I followed a link on livejournal and ended up in a livejournal group of i'm not sorry. It was so sick to read the latest post on that journal. The woman posting said while she waited she talked to the nurse about her life, job, cats, etc. The nurse told her she wouldn't want a baby right now, anyhow, since a baby wouldn't be as cute as the cats. I couldn't read any further. I feel sick when I read these, but try to just to affirm again why I am very pro-life.


47 posted on 01/05/2005 4:33:04 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: NYer

<< .... even though the job is ugly, I was learning a lot about medicine. >>

I was in a meat-packing plant the other day.

And learned, I presume, a lot about animal husbandry?


48 posted on 01/05/2005 4:46:16 PM PST by Brian Allen (For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord -- Luke 2:11)
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To: SaltyJoe
I wonder if the interview was done in Spanish and that's the translation?

You may be correct. I know we paid you here at FR for something... ;)

49 posted on 01/05/2005 5:01:31 PM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: NYer
I could not read the whole thing either. Instead of asking how God can let the tsunami happen, I find myself asking why hasn't He wiped us out completely by now, why does He continue to let us commit such evil?

It is no wonder why Our Lord sweat blood in the garden. I feel a sudden urgent need to do penance.

50 posted on 01/05/2005 5:51:02 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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