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Dem Lays Out Case Against Bush's Ohio Win
AP ^ | January 5, 2005 | MALIA RULON

Posted on 01/05/2005 2:01:41 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

WASHINGTON - The senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee protested President Bush's re-election Wednesday with a new report claiming serious election irregularities and "significant disenfranchisement" of voters in Ohio.

The report by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan says Congress should challenge the Electoral College vote when it is tallied Thursday in the House of Representatives and investigate all claims of voter problems in Ohio.

"We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election," the report said. "There are ample grounds for challenging the electors from the state of Ohio."

Ohio's 20 electoral votes were critical for Bush's defeat of Democratic Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. A recount last week showed Bush winning Ohio by 118,457 votes over Kerry, according to an unofficial tally by The Associated Press.

The 102-page report titled "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio?" lists such problems as unusually long lines, a shortage of voting machines in Democratic-leaning areas, confusion over provisional ballot rules and computer problems.

The report also contends there were widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation, improper purging of voter registration lists, a lack of inspection for about 93,000 ballots where no vote was cast for president, and vote totals not matching registration numbers or exit poll data.

"In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio," the report said.

Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Blackwell, called the report "ludicrous" and a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

"There are absolutely no grounds for challenging Ohio's electors," LoParo said.

Meanwhile, a small group of House Democrats were looking for a Democratic senator to co-sponsor their challenge of Ohio's 20 electoral votes. A single senator supporting the effort would require the two chambers to meet separately and consider the objection. That scenario, however, would still ensure Bush's re-election because both bodies are controlled by Republicans.

Conyers and a few other Democrats have likened the Ohio results to the contested but much closer vote in Florida four years ago when Bush defeated Vice President Al Gore for the White House.

A small number of House Democrats challenged Florida's electoral votes in January 2001 but could not persuade a senator to join them.


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1 posted on 01/05/2005 2:01:42 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

They ought to stick their noses in WA. That's where the corruption is!!


2 posted on 01/05/2005 2:05:17 PM PST by hsmomx3 (Vote NO for Napolitano in 2006!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Conyers is a corrupt, fat faced, lying pig. The perfect face for the pig party.
3 posted on 01/05/2005 2:06:40 PM PST by RetiredArmy (DEMOCRATIC PARTY : Enemies of the Republic)
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To: West Coast Conservative

They couldn't get a senator in 2000 but they might this time?? Oy. And how about the article saying it won't affect the election b/c republicans control Congress? How about because Bush won the election?


4 posted on 01/05/2005 2:07:37 PM PST by Williams
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To: West Coast Conservative

Conyers is pathetic and a disgrace. Bush won! Get over it!


5 posted on 01/05/2005 2:08:44 PM PST by PilloryHillary
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To: West Coast Conservative

We've outlawed the Baath party in Iraq, can we please outlaw the Democratic party and liberalism in general?


6 posted on 01/05/2005 2:09:16 PM PST by riri
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To: West Coast Conservative

These dems are just freakazoid losers. They are laughable.


7 posted on 01/05/2005 2:09:54 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: West Coast Conservative
I'd like to see voter fraud investigated in NM, FL, WA, OH and ANY state where ACORN signed up voters. Many cases of voter fraud will be found, and you can bet the farm it will lead back to the RAT party! I'm not so sure they want to open this can of worms!!!
8 posted on 01/05/2005 2:10:18 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: West Coast Conservative

Let's see if Tom, Peter and Dan treat this as a legitimate story. I bet they do, instead of telling the truth, which is "Conyers is a KOOK!"


9 posted on 01/05/2005 2:10:47 PM PST by texasmountainman (proud father of a U.S. Marine)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Democrats continue to allow their left-left wing fringe to devalue our Nation by questioning the democratic proscess. In two years the people of this great Nation will again reduce their numbers in Congress.

This should not be our goal, the Nation needs a credible opposition party. We now have one party and the Democratic mob looking for leadership. That they allow these nutty things to happen in the name of the party is sad.
10 posted on 01/05/2005 2:11:37 PM PST by paguch
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To: West Coast Conservative

Well, it worked in Washington State.


11 posted on 01/05/2005 2:11:55 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: West Coast Conservative

A few weeks ago I would have said GOP picks up 2-4 Congressional seats in 2006. Because of this nonsense I will up it to 4-8. The DNCs lunacy knows no limits. The American people will watch this specatacle with astonishment and the Dems will be punished yet again at the ballot box.


12 posted on 01/05/2005 2:12:21 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: West Coast Conservative

The particular insanity that grips the Democrat Party seems to be contagious. I think all Democrats should be quarantined until proven they aren't infected with the illness.


13 posted on 01/05/2005 2:13:42 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Bring... it... on!"
14 posted on 01/05/2005 2:14:04 PM PST by pabianice
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Democrats: Creating New Republicans Since 1984!"
15 posted on 01/05/2005 2:14:40 PM PST by pabianice
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To: West Coast Conservative; mhking
"In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio," the report said. Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Blackwell, called the report "ludicrous" and a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

Blackwell of Ohio, an African-American with credentials as long as your arm, and resume enough to make your head spin, is so much better than Conyers and his ilk ever dreamed of being, that he is a SERIOUS candidate for Governor of Ohio....a favorite son of conservatives.

He knows the law. He knows his election process, and except that he's a public figure, I'm sure he'd file suit for slander based on the line that says that Blackwell is guilty of "intentional misconduct and illegal behavior."

The black welfare club represented by Jackson, Kennedy, Boxer, Conyers, and the like, is partly bringing this report to the fore, I'm sure, to have something on the record to attack Blackwell with in the future when his name goes national.

16 posted on 01/05/2005 2:14:52 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
If they try this stunt everyone should call, write and e-mail their representative in Congress and scream for contested Electoral counts in Washington State, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and their home states. To use their twisted logic the fraud and irregularities in other states will "disenfranchise" honest votes. They can't even tell you what they are going to do after this contest.

I wonder if Conyers is going to go on the floor of the House and demand an investigation of his "Thanksgiving Turkey distribution fraud"!
17 posted on 01/05/2005 2:14:57 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: West Coast Conservative

Conyers is a POS!!!!

All he's doing is trying to deligitimize Dubya's win (Like they've tried to do since 2000). I'll be eager to pay this bastard back!!


18 posted on 01/05/2005 2:16:23 PM PST by I Gig Gar (Is civil conversation too much to ask?)
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To: Williams

Yeah, Conyers is overlooking the something like 3 million vote lead, and clear majority nationwide, Bush had in the popular vote.


19 posted on 01/05/2005 2:16:27 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: pieces of time

If I think that Conyers is an @sshole, does that make me a racist?

Gee, I hope not.


20 posted on 01/05/2005 2:16:52 PM PST by ReadyNow
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To: RetiredArmy

You must know him,,,,you forgot ignorant, racist,
Jesse Jackson flunkie, lower than whale dung and a
dumb SOB who gets all his Michigan votes from dumb
and ignoramusses like hiumself...by former Ohioan
who is proud of Ohio...


21 posted on 01/05/2005 2:17:10 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: West Coast Conservative

John Conyers, the slowest talking man in America, is always good for a few laughs. Excuse me while I roll hysterically on the floor for a while!!!!!!


22 posted on 01/05/2005 2:17:54 PM PST by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: paguch

I agree with you. And I think you're suggesting that despite the need for a credible opposition party, the Democrat Party is not that credible alternative.


23 posted on 01/05/2005 2:18:13 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: West Coast Conservative
"In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio," the report said.

Somebody ought to make this SOB prove that statement once and for all.

24 posted on 01/05/2005 2:19:01 PM PST by Howlin (I need my Denny Crane!)
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To: xzins
The black welfare club represented by Jackson, Kennedy, Boxer, Conyers, and the like, is partly bringing this report to the fore, I'm sure, to have something on the record to attack Blackwell with

I think Kennedy, Boxer, et al, are simply giving this report attention in order to pacify the plantation slaves.

25 posted on 01/05/2005 2:19:50 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: pieces of time
If they try this stunt

Keep your TV set on tomorrow; they are, in fact, going to do just that.

26 posted on 01/05/2005 2:20:18 PM PST by Howlin (I need my Denny Crane!)
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To: texasmountainman
"Conyers is a KOOK!"

Hey, maybe Trafficant can help him out. You can do a lot from jail and Kooks should stick together. LOL

27 posted on 01/05/2005 2:21:04 PM PST by CAluvdubya (From the RED part of California)
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To: My2Cents

That's why they are going after the Electoral vote in Ohio. They played the popular vote thing in 2000. Seems to me precinct workers and judges, and District Board of Elections in Ohio better watch their hides for certifying fraud. They have turned in all of those fraudulent votes without questioning them on election day.


28 posted on 01/05/2005 2:21:15 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: West Coast Conservative

Rush was on this this a.m. I have never heard him so incensed about so many things; and that's saying something!

I loved his parting shot though: What if we started to call Mickey Mouse, "Mickey the Pimp" and Minnie would be "Minnie the 'Ho?" I cracked up; Rush is the light of my life.


29 posted on 01/05/2005 2:22:43 PM PST by KiloLima (Amnesty is to "Guest Worker Program" as Terrorist is to "Insurgent.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Republicans should take the Democrats up on investigating the election. The Democrats would soon stop complaining about it, after the hearings determine it was almost always the Democrats committing fraud, intimidation, voter suppression, etc.


30 posted on 01/05/2005 2:23:11 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

I hate these effin people!


31 posted on 01/05/2005 2:23:55 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: West Coast Conservative
Gee...do you think after this we'll all make up and confirm the President's judicial nominies?

If the Pubbies don't do something about this I'm changing my registration to Independent or Libertarian. I'll probably still support the party, but I'll feel better not directly being associated to it.

32 posted on 01/05/2005 2:24:45 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pieces of time

What fraudlent votes? Keith Olberman, is that you?!


33 posted on 01/05/2005 2:24:47 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: hsmomx3

This grandstanding is to take the eyes off of themselves.


34 posted on 01/05/2005 2:25:22 PM PST by hope (GOP: It gets the Blue out.)
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To: Howlin

I have my Congressional phone list ready and portable phone charged and waiting.
Anyone know which other Congrassholes are joining in on this? I'm sure my distinguished Congressman Elijah Cummings is on the list.


35 posted on 01/05/2005 2:25:37 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: West Coast Conservative
Rep. John Conyers: patriot or something else?

New York
BrookesNews.Com
Tuesday 18 Feb. 2003

On January 18 Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat, told a placard-waving anti-war crowd: "The greatest patriots of this country are here today...The president said it'd be a cold day in Washington before this country turns against this war, but it is a cold day in Washington and here we are."

Apart from Conyers nasty insinuation people who disagree with his leftwing views about war against the genocidal Saddam are not patriotic, what can we deduce from his presence? Well, for one, Rep. does not like America and prefers the company of totalitarians to that of genuine democrats. And how do I know this? Because, as he well knows, the demonstration was organized by ANSWER which in turn takes its instructions from the WWP, a Stalinist organisation that also fronts for North Korea and Saddam Hussein. Knowing this Conyers still collaborated with them in an attempt try to subvert the Bush Administration.

It is quite interesting to learn precisely what Conyers means by a patriot. In 1979 he addressed the first national conference of the USPC (United States Peace Council) along with Romesh Chandra, a KGB agent, who also headed the WPC (World Peace Council). The USPC was a subsidiary of the WPC which in turn received 90 percent of its funding from the KGB. The organisation was established by the IDCC (International Department of the Central Committee) and the bloodstained Boris Ponomarev was its chief. All of this was an open secret that Conyers also shared. But it did not bother him.

In case anyone is naïve enough to have any doubts about Ponomarev's intentions, which means the Politburo's plans, he issued instructions in 1974 calling on Russia's allies (agents of influence and active KGB agents) within Western political parties to "neutralize" anti-communist leaders, including those in America.

There was nothing here for Conyers to object to since he never saw a communist dictatorship he never liked. In fact, Conyers was so taken with the Soviet direction that the USPC and WPC always took that he told them: "It's people like you who should be members of Congress" and "from you I can see the future of America." There you have it. Conyers idea of a democratic and progressive America was to fill Congress with KGB stooges. (Ironically, the KGB and the IDCC always held the likes of Conyers in the greatest contempt). So if well-meaning members of the January 18 demonstration thought he was playing them a compliment they really ought to think again. Unfortunately, there were still plenty in the crowd who think revolutionary justice followed by a lead injection to the back of the neck is preferable to the rule of law.

In all the years that passed Conyers became an even more ardent supporter of the WPC, an organisation that was part of a wider plan to help bring down the United States government. I can only conclude that it was this Soviet objective that attracted Conyers to the WPCs activities.

36 posted on 01/05/2005 2:26:56 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: pieces of time

I don't believe that any senator will step forward to challenge the electors in Ohio. If they did, I'd give them credit for having guts. If they really believe that there is voter suppression they have a duty to do something about it. Since it only comes up every 4 years, I don't believe they are serious.


37 posted on 01/05/2005 2:28:53 PM PST by Dave in the flyover
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To: KiloLima
Rush was on this this a.m. I have never heard him so incensed about so many things; and that's saying something!

I caught Rush on the walkman at the gym (I know, my husband thinks I am a freak because I listen to talk radio while working out) anyway, I have never heard him so angry. I loved it.

38 posted on 01/05/2005 2:29:00 PM PST by riri
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To: West Coast Conservative

Meanwhile Kerry is out of the country and sent this in a mass e-mail today.

Dear XXXX

No American citizen should wake up the morning after the election and worry their vote wasn't counted. No citizen should be denied at the polls if they are eligible to vote. And, as the greatest, wealthiest nation on earth, our citizens should never be forced to vote on old, unaccountable and non transparent voting machines from companies controlled by partisan activists.

Tomorrow, members of Congress will meet to certify the results of the 2004 presidential election. I will not be taking part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors.

Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

But, that does not mean we should abandon our commitment to addressing those problems that happened in Ohio. We must act today to make sure they never happen again.

I urge you to join me in using this occasion to highlight our demand that Congress commit itself this year to reforming the electoral system. A Presidential election is a national federal election but we have different standards in different states for casting and counting votes. We need a national federal standard to solve the problems that occurred in the 2004 election. I will propose legislation to help achieve this.

Florida 2000 was a wake up call. But the Republicans who control Congress ignored it. Will they now ignore what happened in 2004?

There are nearly 3,000,000 of you receiving this email. We accomplished so much together during the campaign. Now let's use our power to make sure that at least one good thing comes from the voting rights problems of the 2004 election. If we want to force real action on election reform, we've got to demand that congressional leaders hold full hearings. Make sure they hear from you and help hold them accountable.

Speaker Dennis Hastert: 1-202-225-0600
Leader Bill Frist: 1-202-224-3135

And please report that you've made your call right here:
http://www.johnkerry.com/signup/electoral_reform.php

I want every vote counted because Americans have to know that the votes they stood in line for, fought for, and strived so hard to cast in an election, are counted. We must make sure there are no questions or doubts in future elections. It's critical to our democracy that we investigate and act to prevent voting irregularities and voter intimidation across the country. We can't stand still as Congressional leaders seek to sweep well-founded voter concerns under the rug.

Please join with me in calling Speaker Hastert and Leader Frist and telling them that you want action on election reform now.

A recent report from Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) reveals very troubling questions that have not yet been answered by Ohio election officials. I commend the Democratic National Committee for its announcement this week that the DNC will be investing resources and reaching out to non-partisan academics in a long term study of Ohio voting irregularities. I am only sorry that we haven't seen the same from Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell and GOP officials.

Congress must play a positive, proactive role on this issue. That's why I will soon introduce legislation to reform our election system, ensuring transparency and accountability in our voting system and that all Americans have an opportunity to vote and have their vote counted.

Please remember to let us know that you made your call when you're done. We're hoping to ensure House and Senate leaders' offices hear our demand for action on election reform in meaningful way. Please take a moment to let us know you have made your call here: http://www.johnkerry.com/signup/electoral_reform.php

Thank you,

John Kerry

P.S. Thanks to all those who participated in our USO "phone home" campaign last week. The totals are coming in from the USO, and they are thrilled with your generosity and support for our brave men and women in uniform. We will send you totals as we get them.


39 posted on 01/05/2005 2:29:03 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: My2Cents; Howlin
The democratic party is the party that has abused blacks from the beginning. I'm amazed this isn't self-evident.

That aside, #16 and Howlin' agree that this should be shoved down their flippin' throats.

They make these lying charges because they know that they're immune. They're cowards.

40 posted on 01/05/2005 2:29:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Unhuh. We should rush to embrace Ohio where Dubya won by 118,000 plus votes and ignore states where he lost by just a few thousand. Plus ignore the fraud in Washington state where there were more votes than voters and the democRAT won by a hundred votes or so.

Typical -- I can live with an election that was lost legally but absolutely am furious with whinning and moaning by the Rats about one that was won IN SPITE of their blatent attempts at fraud.

41 posted on 01/05/2005 2:31:21 PM PST by CedarDave (Re. Tsunami: Dubya's actions speak louder than Slick Willie's words.)
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To: finnman69
I want every vote counted

What makes F-in' think they weren't? It's interesting to note that whenever they trot out this mantra, they never phrase it "every LEGAL vote counted."

42 posted on 01/05/2005 2:32:34 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: xzins
"Blackwell of Ohio, an African-American with credentials as long as your arm, and resume enough to make your head spin, is so much better than Conyers and his ilk ever dreamed of being, that he is a SERIOUS candidate for Governor of Ohio....a favorite son of conservatives."

Ken Blackwell has the support of this conservative for Governor

43 posted on 01/05/2005 2:32:52 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: libs_kma

I've already signed up to work for him.

He's the most outstanding prospect to come out of Ohio since Grant took the Union Army.


44 posted on 01/05/2005 2:35:20 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: hsmomx3
The report by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan says Congress should challenge the Electoral College vote when it is tallied Thursday in the House of Representatives and investigate all claims of voter problems in Ohio.

"We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election," the report said. "There are ample grounds for challenging the electors from the state of Ohio."

Hey Conyers, what about the numerous, serious irregularities in your turkey donation to the poor?

The director of a Detroit food bank wants to know what happened to 60 turkeys -- 720 pounds of frozen birds -- that his charity gave to members of U.S. Rep. John Conyers' local staff two days before Thanksgiving to give to needy people.

Conyers' Detroit office promised an accounting of any turkey distribution by Dec. 27, but the Gleaners Community Food Bank had received no paperwork as of Tuesday, said the charity's director, Agostinho Fernandes.

Fernandes said he became suspicious that the turkeys didn't get to poor people after hearing from a friend that a federal court worker had said he was offered free turkeys from a member of Conyers' staff.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/turkey5e_20050105.htm

45 posted on 01/05/2005 2:35:59 PM PST by highimpact (The only way to defeat terrorism is to annihilate the terrorists)
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To: West Coast Conservative; marblehead17
The 102-page report titled "Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio?" lists such problems as unusually long lines, a shortage of voting machines in Democratic-leaning areas, confusion over provisional ballot rules and computer problems.

Where's the Report What Went Wrong in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and New Hampshire?

46 posted on 01/05/2005 2:37:36 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: Endeavor

Personally, I hope they get a Senator. It would further entrench the kooks in the dem party and force sensible people to reevaluate who they vote for. We don't have much to lose here. A couple hours for debate followed by a vote which would make the USC/Oklahoma game look like a triple overtime thriller. We get to thrash them, then ridicule them. Plus, it keeps the DU believers providing fun reading until at least the 20th. I'm sure we can all use another two weeks of belly laughs.


47 posted on 01/05/2005 2:37:42 PM PST by hehhehmule
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To: West Coast Conservative

"We have found numerous, serious election irregularities..."

But have you found the turkeys, Mister Conyers? >>>

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/turkey5e_20050105.htm


48 posted on 01/05/2005 2:38:21 PM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: My2Cents
The report by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan says Congress should challenge the Electoral College vote when it is tallied Thursday in the House of Representatives ...

Happy New Year, M2C. What's that old chestnut from the McCarthy years? "At long last, sir, have you no shame?!" Well, the Dems don't, of course.

Nevertheless, Conyers' -- er, ummm, cough -- report hasn't got a chance in Hades of being taken seriously by the Republican House. Thing is, he knows that. The point of his "report" is just to continue stoking the fires that were lit in 2000 among the Left/Dem fringe.

Free speech is a wonderful thing, but I really think what Conyers and his ilk are doing crosses the line into sedition. It's a dangerous game they are playing.

49 posted on 01/05/2005 2:39:31 PM PST by Wolfstar (Where are you, Miss Beazley?)
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To: ReadyNow
If I think that Conyers is an @sshole, does that make me a racist? Gee, I hope not.

Well, since I join you in calling John Conyers an @sshole (and a disgrace to his -- and my -- race, as well), you have been officially inoculated against The Taint Of Racismtm on this thread. :-)

50 posted on 01/05/2005 2:41:03 PM PST by ShorelineMike (You *go*, Ken!)
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